• spezz@lemmynsfw.com
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      False equivalence. Firing someone for saying racist shit isnt the same a removing a person from a website because she is a woman.

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      Deleted the record of a women’s scientific achievements isn’t the same as firing (or declining to renew a contract) of someone who’s falsifying test results or just being an ass.

      I wonder which person you’re actually referring to. Have a few names we can “peer review”?

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      Huh. The only possible reason to conflate cancel culture with erasure is if you’re such a shit person with truly deplorable views that being forced to just fucking be polite feels like an attack on your person.

      Everyone knows the dog whistle involved here, buddy.

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        I don’t think I follow that train of thought. What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

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          I don’t think I follow that train of thought.

          Duh. Not being allowed to do offensive shit without consequence is obviously upsetting to you. So, yeah, of course you didn’t follow a train of thought that includes common decency.

          What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

          I think actions have consequences. I think a person who has any actual courage will accept that fact. What, do you think bigotry and prejudice shouldn’t be “undesirable”? What, you afraid of just…not being an ass???

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            Okay, so instead of focusing on making solid arguments, you been spending much of your time on name calling and insulting my intelligence instead. Is that what you consider common decency? Or should there be consequences for that?

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              Oh go cry yourself a river to drown in.

              Yeah, no shit I’m not “debating in good faith”. Duh. Why the fuck would I bother?? Like, seriously, there’s nothing clever in that “asking questions” approach.

              And, if you’re gonna cry about ‘solid arguments’, fund one yourself. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember???

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        Sadly, that stooge isn’t even self aware enough to realize it’s trolling. Which makes feeding trolls so, just, tedious these days. No fun in it at all!! 😡

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      Actually, this situation isn’t about cancel culture at all. Cancel culture typically refers to public backlash resulting in personal or professional consequences for offensive or harmful behavior. What happened here seems to be a systemic decision to remove content highlighting women in STEM at NASA.

      This isn’t driven by public outcry or social pressure; it’s a form of institutional erasure. There’s a big difference between being held accountable for harmful actions and having your achievements wiped out due to a policy change.

      These two things shouldn’t be conflated.

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          1. On Cancel Culture: The term “cancel culture” typically refers to public backlash leading to personal or professional consequences for perceived offensive behavior. In the case of the NASA bio removal, it appears to be an internal policy decision, not a result of public outcry.

          2. On Government Influence and Social Media: While there have been instances where government entities have interacted with social media platforms regarding content moderation—such as the Biden administration’s efforts to curb COVID-19 misinformation—this differs from “cancel culture.” These actions involve governmental attempts to manage public health information, which has sparked debates about free speech and censorship.

          3. On the Lab Leak Theory: The origins of COVID-19 have been extensively debated. Agencies like the FBI and the Department of Energy have assessed, with varying degrees of confidence, that a lab leak is a plausible origin. However, this remains a separate issue from the NASA bio removal and the broader discussion of cancel culture.

          Bringing up these points seems to divert from the initial discussion about the removal of a NASA bio highlighting a woman’s achievements in STEM. It’s essential to distinguish between institutional decisions, public backlash, and government policies.

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      The order to end dei in government positions. Women are included in diversity equity and inclusion. Nasa is a government agency, so it makes sense. Is it good? Absolutely not, just the wacky world we have to live in.

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      A lot of this was internal and will only be seen in documentaries down the road… if there will even be a road

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    She sounds kind of sexist. Why does it matter what sex she is? Shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of sex?

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      Wow.

      You have so consistently dehumanized the women in your life that this statement actually makes sense to you? Like, it’s pretty well known that women are a minority in STEM fields. What the hell you so afraid of, that celebrating a woman’s accomplishments offense you so???

      Maybe stop trying to gain power over other human beings. Cause the path you’re currently on? You fucking know where it leads. And no, dragging others down will never change the hellscape of fear and paranoia you have found. You have to walk out of the valley of despair; there is no other escape.

    • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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      The irony of posting this in the context of someone who had been effaced specifically because of their sex is overpowering.

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      I’m sorry… she sounds sexist because when she talked about the article on her at nasa she mentioned… her dreams… her being raised poor… her being homeless… and… her getting a job at Nasa despite all that. Huh oh wait weird I missed the part where she made it all about her being a woman? because… she didn’t even do that? She wasn’t even highlighting that she is important as a role model to women in STEM. Didn’t even mention it in the part discussing the article that was erased. She was highlighting being a role model of achieving her dream job even though she was poor and homeless at one point. And was simply pointing out that it is being erased BECAUSE she is a woman. and you are calling HER sexist? Are you high? Can you read? You just enter a fugue state when you see the word women and make shit up that didn’t happen so you can feel better about yourself? Cuz I’m super confused how you can get sexist from what she said without just assuming she’s sexist because she is a woman.

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      She does not sound sexist. She sounds justifiably upset that the organization she works for and clearly loves is trying to erase her her involvement in it just because she is a woman.

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      Oh geez that would be great wouldn’t it. But it sounds like you’ve never had some tell you that you can’t do something because of your sex. Highlighting successful minorities in a field inspires and encourages others in their same position.

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      To get people trested equally, you need to apply positive bias towards women whom would otherwise be treated unfairly by the current systemic biases.

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    They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.

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      Americans doing something americanly in america: “what are we, a bunch of asians?”

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    I will feel mad as fuck for you and use this as evidence when people say these EOs aren’t hurting anyone other than illegal immigrants.

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    I thought my dad would have come around by now with everything going on. Last night he was gloating about how much work is getting done in the White House and how everything’s about to get a lot cheaper.

    Insanity.

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      I can’t wait to talk to my parents. Lifelong republicans (though not specifically trump fans, just voting R), so it’s extremely likely they voted for this.

      I’m a federal employee. They voted to put my job (and my wife’s job) in jeopardy. They voted for this. They voted to hurt us.

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      Ask your dad why the GOP needs to raise the Debt Ceiling by $4 Trillion in their budget bill, and how many of the now dozens of lawsuits Trump might win based on his performance in 2020 when he lost almost every single court case, even when Trump appointed the judges himself.

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        I tried that with someone on facebook. They retreated back to “we have to get federal spending under control.” Maybe so, but this group isn’t doing that.

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      make it real for your dad - every chance you get, capture the price of a few things and chart it out over time… actual real evidence that you collected yourself is harder to refute than a graph produced by anonymous sources online.

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      Same with my Mom. I told her “yeah, Mussolini did a good job making the trains run on time”. She never responded.

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      His only concern is himself, he thinks he’ll benefit so everyone else can suffer as far as he is concerned. This is the broad motivation of the entire movement. As if America first didn’t make it obvious enough, it was really “me first”. What they don’t understand is how the me in that is entirely relative and they quickly become expendable.

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        maybe if you explain to him the cause of the great depression being isolationist economic policy hitting everyone really hard, meanwhile japan with its keynesian policy managed to do pretty well, even in the face of global economic downturn.

        Some people find facts more reasonable, ironically, even if they will cognitively dissonant themselves from them.

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      Then, you should challenge him and make him set a deadline for when everything is supposed to be a lot cheaper. When people starts to get sidetracked from thinking critically, that’s when you need to make them set an ultimatum that either forces them to think critically, or make them set their own limit that you can then point back to later.

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        That only works for people who haven’t taught themselves to ignore constant cognitive dissonance.

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      I mean, that’s the real trump derangement syndrome. People who are outside of reality because of their support of the man.

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          Absolutely. In 2020 I asked the biggest trump supporter I know if he was better off then or four years ago. It’s not the fairest question, but I knew that then. There’s a lot of circumstances that effect it.

          In 2020 he had no job (for years), was living with his mother, and swore he was keeping track of his “debt” with her that totalled in the tens of thousands. In 2016 he had a job, and had his own apartment. He said he was doing better in 2020.

          In 2024 he had a higher paying job than he ever had before, and had bought a house. I didn’t ask him the question though. I was pretty sure I knew what he would say. He did say he was glad RFK would make us label our food … As he was drinking a soda that had the ingredients labeled, like most of our food.(Oh or is it the “natural and artificial ingredient” secret recipe crap that’s killing us that you still can see on the label and avoid, and not the high fructose corn syrup with 120 percent your daily allotment?)

          I’d say that’s detaching from reality when politics get concerned.

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    Why would your bio be on the NASA website? What does that have to do with the exploration of space or technological advancement?

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      It is pretty standard practice. For one, it helps people who read or review your work know who they are dealing with. For another, it helps the general public understand who scientists are. Part of the mission is to make sure that the next generation carries the work on, and by emphasizing the human aspect of the science, young people can actually imagine themselves getting to that point some day.

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      Why couldn’t it be? Why shouldn’t there be a section for “people”, to serve as motivation for whomever wants to follow their footsteps and work at NASA?

      And also, supposedly, only women’s info were removed. Did they also remove the bio of men?

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    The 1950s boom was built on two things. Subsidizing a middle class instead of corporate (awesome). And the notion that a mediocre white male was more valuable in any job role than a woman or a non-white male.

    The 1950s was, in part, built on the backs of women sent home from jobs after the war to have those jobs taken by folks who may or may not have been less qualified, as it was based entirely on gender, and to lesser extent, color.

    Woman’s minds were squandered. I encourage you to ask about grandma back in the day. How mean was she? How mentally I’ll was she? How many suicides or addictions occurred? The mean stories abound at this time for a reason. Alternatively there’s the paper thin personality-less woman who avoids anything even remotely confrontational.

    Ask your family.

    Equality before the law is introduced and a subset of men who don’t have coping skills for not having power over other human beings, lack capacity to stand as an individual, lose their collective shit.

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      Three things, don’t forget that American companies got a lot of European contracts to help rebuild after WWII. There’s too many people out there that ignore that influx of money and try to say the economic boom of the 50s was because misogyny and racism worked.

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        Good point, saying the quiet part out loud. There will always be That Guy from the low coping skills set who will try to make that argument.