Tell a friend 😁

Support for the catharsis of the bulls. We’ve earned their ire 😆

Bring it back

Okay, here you go 😁.

And if that link ever goes down, check Open-SLUM for a mirror 🏴‍☠️

Sorry, will do from now on.

Okay whatever. All of this is technically off topic as per the mods’ comment, so feel free to yell at me next time you see me elsewhere

It’s great that your profile picture is a clown because now I don’t even have to call you one

Why exactly does the word “shitlib” invalidate my credibility? I made my opposition to liberal capitalism explicit at every step of my output on the Fediverse.

Agreed, but I was referring to the person your comment directly replied to.

My posts only expressed hostility to MAGA, which summoned defensive tankies like a swarm of flies closing in on a freshly dropped turd.

I mean, what you said here was:

This ‘blue MAGA’ tankie shit is somehow worse than the loud-and-clear MAGA shit over on Reddit

Like it’s not only campists who use the terminology “blue MAGA”. Anarchists and other non-campist revolutionaries rightly use the terminology (although I would personally not label someone reluctantly going to the polls as “Blue MAGA”; I would use that term for someone more emphatic and supportive of the policies that liberal politicians are responsible for). Followed by

• at least those neonazis were honest about who they were.

Like can you see where I’m coming from here? If you really didn’t mean to call all anti-electoralists neo-nazis then… okay I guess, but that’s not how I read it.

Tbh, that’s really what motivated me to speak up. Like I’m willing to agree to disagree with my comrades about whether or not they individually show up to the polls, even though my viewpoint is emphatically against electoralism as praxis, but I (and I think some other people) read your post as if you were comparing your anti-electoralist comrades to neo-nazis.

It’s gotten to the point that I’m questioning if “tankies” are even a thing, or if that’s just a shitty attempt to conceal their red caps and klan robes under a poorly executed online persona for ‘lols’.

I mean, from an anarchist perspective … it’s not at all shocking that people have recognized that some hierarchies are unacceptable while not (yet?) realizing that the State is inherently one such hierarchy, which is itself responsible for maintaining those other hierarchies. For a different example, many liberals clearly recognize that racism and sexism and homophobia are unjustifiable hierarchies, to the point that some are even doing very noble work in stopping ICE…but they still have not figured out the underlying pattern (hierarchical social relations).

The campists you’re running into here are probably not Trump supporters. It’s just that…“America bad” is a correct answer 99% of the time, and 99% is good enough for some people to round it up to 100%. (And even in the 0.1% where it’s not the correct answer…it is true because America is bad, it’s just not a helpful answer.) IMO campism is a cognitive distortion, but it’s understandable where it comes from.

What they said is “Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.” So now we know that “Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’” is “lesser evil rhetoric”, but that doesn’t mean that other things cannot be lesser evil rhetoric, e.g…the exact quoted comment.

I will ask once again: what about the word “shitlibs” do you have a problem with?

If you’re actually a leftist, then certainly you should have no issues with a fellow leftist using a pejorative term for liberals to describe liberals, right? Because as a leftist, you are not a liberal, since liberals do not oppose capitalism, and you are likely frustrated with how liberal monoculture dominates all political discussions, right? And it’s not as if “shitlib” is a term of bigotry. Like I’m just taking the self-identified label of one faction of the capitalist enemy and adding the word “shit” to it.

because they’re actually a magat.

… do you really think I’m a MAGAt? Like do you really think I actually support Donald Trump?

No shit I don’t want that pedocapitalist in office. No shit I don’t want any of his lackeys in office. But more fundamentally, I don’t want anyone in office. There shouldn’t be an , full stop. But more concretely, the Dems have basically sat on their hands and done nothing in Trump 2.0. Establishment Dems only complained that they didn’t get to sign off on Trump’s demonic abuses, and non-Establishment Dems are comfortable enough with the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide to give them their time and energy.

The anti-electoralist position is the somber realization that the State is not controllable from a working class perspective. No amount of working within the system will ever allow us to meaningfully steer the trajectory of the system. Elections are simply ratifications of what the capitalist class has already planned for us. Hence why the Gaza genocide wasn’t on the ballot. Hence why the abolition of ICE wasn’t on the ballot. Hence why police abolition, hell even defunding the police, was not on the ballot.

Like there’s almost no daylight between the Biden admin and Trump 2.0 and you want me to play along like I, as an anarchist, have a stake in the fate of the duopoly. Hell nah. Burn it all to the fucking ground.

I… don’t think this user is punching left…

Okay but what about the word “shitlibs” do you have a problem with?

Like I am openly an anarcho-communist. I openly oppose liberalism, as it is the umbrella of philosophies that capitalists used to justify their hierarchical and authoritarian practices.

Well your clock is busted. I’ve had loads of polite disagreements with people on Lemmy. Although tbh I am a bit more contentious on the .world subs you frequent because, well, .world is a liberal shit hole and it is incredibly cathartic to yell at liberals.

The word “shitlibs”? What are you smoking and can I have some?

Tbh I’m more pissed at OP’s implication that anti-electoralists are neo-Nazis. Like I see a hundred bellyaching posts a day about voting Blue and I keep my mouth shut for most of them because I have stuff to do and more productive stuff to talk about, but goddamn this one really fucked with me, and I thought Murse was at least cool enough to know better.

It’s you and other shitlibs with whom I am unapologetically contentious.

Yeah, not venemous to leftists who are electoralists. I’ve already clocked you as a liberal snake 🐍

Edit: and furthermore, if they’re so against voting, why haven’t they disabled both downvotes AND upvotes, and only use just the other sort algorithms?

Anti-electoralists are not necessarily against voting in literally all circumstances. We’re against voting for candidates for political office.