Marjorie Taylor Greene, a prominent Republican congresswoman and a staunch ally of Trump, suggested a return to “measles parties” for children. She criticized contemporary attitudes towards vaccination, stating, “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”
Anybody that’s stupid enough to take medical advice from this moron, well… Good luck, have at it
Psychotic Bitch Promotes Child Murder
FTFY
They’re not going to learn until they’re charged and convicted of homicide.
The courts are corrupted. It’s up to us to hold them accountable.
To be honest. They not going to learn until we address the people who enable her. The useful idiots, the ones who promote her for their own gains. Psy ops.
Chuckles I’m in danger!
Nurgle cultist. May measles spread and give new life from the dead and rotten.
Measles parties will kill kids.
MTG is a psychopath.
Thanks to the magic of internet brain …
Her initials being MTG I always think of the MTG ass crack meme and so she is forever defaulted as a hairy ass rack in my brain.
That’s the image of her I have.
Thank you.
I propose a herpes and SARS party for her.
I fully agree, i think all trump voters should go to measles parties.
Measles isn’t fucking chicken pox…
Don’t even take chicken pox lightly. It gives you shingles later in life. I have epilepsy as a result of getting chicken pox.
Chickenpox is also pretty dangerous to adults, they cause similar issues like an adult getting measles or rubella, and it’s capable of causing pneumonia and orchitis( infertility), there is a small chance it can cause brain inflammation much like shingles can
“I didn’t vaccinate my kids and the one that lived turned out fine!”
“The Shotgun Philosophy of Life”
Survivorship bias at its finest
“Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”
It’s pretty normal to demonize parents who abuse children.
You can’t cure stupidity…
I spent SO MUCH TIME during my pediatrics clinical rotation explaining vaccines to new parents. In some cases, I sat there for a literal hour and debunked myths and conspiracy theories in order to get the parents to consider maybe doing a delayed vaccination schedule. I’m a medical student, so my time is basically worthless and I viewed this as a good use of it, but it was so incredibly frustrating to have to do over and over.
For other folks who know anti-vax parents (new or not), here’s the best line of argument I came up with:
Vaccines have been around for a very long time now, and the only changes we’ve made to them recently is to make them better and safer. The preservatives in them like the mercury compound are perfectly safe, but we’ve still worked hard to improve the manufacturing process to minimize the need for those preservatives and make the vaccines as pure as possible.
Vaccines are made of little fragments of the virus or bacteria, or a modified, significantly weaker version of the pathogen to give your child’s immune system a chance to see it before the real thing shows up. It’s like giving your child’s immune system a wanted poster or a punching bag to practice on because it has to make special tools to fight each different pathogen.
The reason we load kids up with so many vaccines in the first year or two of life is because their immune systems are still growing and it’s an optimal time to introduce things for it to prepare for, and we want to give them some protection of their own before the antibodies from mom run out around 6 to 12 months of life.
We have decades of data showing that vaccines are safe and effective, and the complications and side effects are so minor compared to the problems that can come from the disease. And it’s usually around 1000:1 ratio of complications from the disease versus complications from the vaccine, and the vaccine complications are almost always less severe than the complications from the disease.
If you refuse vaccination for your child for reasons besides an anaphylactic allergy to the ingredients, you are gambling your child’s life with most of these diseases, and it would have been an entirely preventable death. Vaccines are very hard to make and we have prioritized making vaccines for the diseases that kill children. We don’t bother making vaccines for things that are just a nuisance, so the vaccines we have exist for very good reasons. For the most famous example, measles has about 5 different ways it can kill your child that are impossible to treat or prevent once they have it, and many ways to cause permanent damage. The known and most common side effects of the measles vaccine are pretty mild and can be easily treated with medications we have available.
Edit: Fuck it. I’ve decided that I’m going to use some of my copious (/s) free time writing a children’s and parents’ book about vaccine safety with this argument. I will self publish if I have to and give it out in family medicine and pediatric clinics if it kills me.
500,000 people a year used to die from polio every year. Death. Death is the side affects of not getting vaccinated.
Doing the good fight
Anti-vax parents should have their kids taken away.
The problem with that is that there are already too many children in need of good homes and some of these parents are very good in every other respect. The people who push anti-vax stuff need to be made into public examples, but the rank-and-file believers are usually just well-meaning dupes.
The sad thing about debunking is that you need to have direct contact with the person under a delusion to build rapport and need to be quite knowledgeable about the topic, but planting the the delusion can be done at a large scale by any eloquent doofus with time to spare. It’s so frustrating.
It’s definitely a starfish situation. You won’t be able to save all of them, but you can make a difference to each individual that you help. It’s my guiding principle in medicine for everything from preventative care to resuscitation. I can’t save every patient, but I can do my best to help the one in front of me, and previous failures do not prevent future successes.
My explanation is simpler: “The body learns how to fight diseases by eating killed viruses. A vaccine gives you dead viruses, so your body can learn without having to get hurt first. A measles party uses living viruses, so your kid might suffer death or worse.”
Then show them the results.
Probably not accurate in detail, but hopefully good enough. If not, then the brevity will let you move onto someone who hasn’t abandoned their brain.
They see that rash as not that scary, and the rash is honestly the mildest part of the disease. Measles can cause encephalitis (brain swelling) and kill the child, it can cause pneumonia and kill the child, they can recover from the illness and be completely fine for a few years until the virus reactivates and their entire central nervous system becomes intractably inflamed and they seize until they die. And there’s nothing we can do about any of those complications besides things like IV fluids or ventilatory support because there are no antiviral medications effective against measles, so we just have to hope the child’s immune system wins.
Another worth noting is if an antivaxxer says “we don’t know what they put into vaccines”, respond with “we don’t know what they put in painkillers and yet you take them no problem”. Nine times out of ten, these antivaxxers would take painkillers willy nilly without question. Saying this makes them question their line of thought. Heck, the same could be said just about anything. We don’t know what cooks in restaurants put into the food we ordered, and yet there is no significant movement advocating to stop ordering takeaways or eating outside of home.
respond with “we don’t know what they put in painkillers and yet you take them no problem”
But we do know exactly what goes into both.
Saying this makes them question their line of thought.
They don’t think. There is no line of thought. They just react to memes with brainless conformity.
…except that we do know what gets put in every medication. Every ingredient has to be registered and tested, and if they change the formulation at all, they have to test it again to make sure it’s safe.
We had our cats in for their annual checkups a few years back, and the vet noted they were due for their vaccinations. The way she said it, we could hear she was bracing for an argument. I wonder if someone had laid into her about it earlier that day.
We, of course, had the vaccinations done, much to her relief.
Please do
Thought the bitch was pro life? This seems quite anti-life to me.
Pro-fetus. Anti-life after birth.
pro-fetus would entail free health care, housing and food assistance to pregnant mothers. the right opposes all of these things, ergo they are not pro-fetus
Pro-life is just an euphemism for “control over women”. Nothing more, and that resolves that weird contradiction.
Thought the bitch was pro life?
That’s a question? No, I didn’t. Thanks for asking.
I’m being sarcastic. MTG is a disgusting hypocrite no matter how you look at her.
Pro Life only until it’s born, then fuck that Life
Grab her and plop her down in the middle of one the hotspots and don’t let her out
She’s surely vaccinated though… Because until recently it was required, and the vaccine is like 97% effective
Still it would force her to see up close how the disease affects her constuents rather than allow her to pontificate from her office chair
She’d probably just call them heroes and pose with them for pictures
Let her. It’ll keep her oblivious to the viral mutations that will ping pong off her people until it overcomes her resistance
