The same case could be made for hobbies. You need money for hobbies, so they trap you in the system.
I don’t think this is quite right. If you want to make changes in your life, you’re free to abandon your hobbies in ways that you are not free to abandon your children.
I think OOP is referring specifically to the cultural pressures everywhere telling you that you need to have kids. The people pushing that the most are conservatives who are straight up puppets for billionaires
Also more soldiers to send off on needless wars like the Vietnam War, Korean War, Iran War , Afghan War, etc…
All the wars Injust mentioned didnt substantially change any of the lives of the peoples of the countries that participated in them.
Vietnam is still a somewhat socialistic state, North Korea and South Korea still exist till today, Iran is still ruled miliarily by the IRGC and parliamentarily by the Iranian clerical elites, and the Afghanis still dont care at all about nato and are rulled by the Taliban…
Just more soldiers into thhe needless meat grinders, and more slaves and consumers to do the bidding of the richest people in society.
There will be more and more needless wars with dozens of innocent , impressionable adults thrown into the different meat grinders. There will be mroe and more people turned into personal toys for the rich or into their slaves and consumers …
It is not until the average person gets fed up and knowledgable about how this circular and awful system fucks them , their loved ones, their communities and the kids of their communities over and says "No More! " will we see a substantial change to be subsubstantiated.
There’s a reason the right wing is always trying to ban birth control/abortion, push those trashy ‘16 and pregnant’ shows, complain about teen pregnancy rates being down, want to legalize child marriage and child labor. Kids are just one way that capitalism traps you into being dependent on the system and desperate. For those in the US health insurance is another. And over-reliance on cars. They love to put a recurring cost on anything that’s necessary to maintaining your survival/quality of life, because then you’re dependent on perpetuating the system.
The political economy is granted without reservation. The disagreement is about sufficiency rather than accuracy. Historical materialism addresses how existing beings are organised and governed. The antinatalist question is at the level of ontology: whether beings should be instantiated at all. Take the best outcome the Marxist project could deliver: no exploitation, equitable distribution, genuine flourishing. Everyone born into it would still suffer biological degradation, lose the people they love, die, and have been created without their consent. The urgency of the Marxist critique rests on the same recognition that drives antinatalism: beings are harmed by conditions imposed on them without consent. Antinatalism extends that recognition one step further, from political organisation to biological instantiation.
A hobby that makes money is a job, once you start to depend on it it starts being stressful and stops being a hobby. I’ve been through that cycle a couple of times.
I’ve completed sailing course recently, and I’m still in awe that one of activities that the instructors do in their spare time is handling the private yachts between ports, like bringing one from Greece to Spain. Seems like an awesome side gig.
Destroy capitalism and suddenly having kids is great
Depends on the system. The reason why capitalism has proliferated is it allows selfishness, which is part of human nature. Honestly, is there a better economic system, which also rewards selfishness like capitalism?
The main reason why capitalism has proliferated is because capitalists slaughtered everyone who opposed it at first. Millions killed across all of Europe, simply for defending their homes and common land from being taken by the Church and aristocracy.
After resistance was crushed, and people no longer owned anything, they had no choice but to work as slaves for capitalists. Ever since then, they have constantly been pitting us against each other, and we’ve had no choice but to play their game, since otherwise it’s homelessness or death.
People tend to be a whole lot less selfish if they don’t need to struggle for survival, and if they’re not brainwashed into thinking it has to be this way from early childhood.
In every single study and poll, results consistently show that close to nobody supports capitalism, and nearly everyone is perfectly willing to share fairly, so that we can all live well.
Selfishness is not human nature. At least not for the majority of people. Cooperation, sharing, and helping others are. It might not be obvious, because capitalists have been forcefully beating it out of us for the last 500 years.
But it doesn’t matter. Capitalists hold all the power, as they’ve always had, and will sooner die than let any meaningful change take place. Governments would rather order the military to shoot protesters than listen to any anti-capitalist points.
We’re not allowed to question anything about capitalism. It’s the worst, most destructive religion anyone has ever come up with and forced onto others, built on the most asinine dogmas possible.
True, but it’s not a having kids problem. It’s a capitalism problem, as usual.
The same case could be made for hobbies. You need money for hobbies, so they trap you in the system.
Destroy capitalism and suddenly having kids is great (relatively speaking, subject to personal preferences).
I don’t think this is quite right. If you want to make changes in your life, you’re free to abandon your hobbies in ways that you are not free to abandon your children.
I think OOP is referring specifically to the cultural pressures everywhere telling you that you need to have kids. The people pushing that the most are conservatives who are straight up puppets for billionaires
They need more labor and consumers. Every American is more profit for the corporations that rule us.
Also more soldiers to send off on needless wars like the Vietnam War, Korean War, Iran War , Afghan War, etc…
All the wars Injust mentioned didnt substantially change any of the lives of the peoples of the countries that participated in them.
Vietnam is still a somewhat socialistic state, North Korea and South Korea still exist till today, Iran is still ruled miliarily by the IRGC and parliamentarily by the Iranian clerical elites, and the Afghanis still dont care at all about nato and are rulled by the Taliban…
Just more soldiers into thhe needless meat grinders, and more slaves and consumers to do the bidding of the richest people in society.
There will be more and more needless wars with dozens of innocent , impressionable adults thrown into the different meat grinders. There will be mroe and more people turned into personal toys for the rich or into their slaves and consumers …
It is not until the average person gets fed up and knowledgable about how this circular and awful system fucks them , their loved ones, their communities and the kids of their communities over and says "No More! " will we see a substantial change to be subsubstantiated.
There’s a reason the right wing is always trying to ban birth control/abortion, push those trashy ‘16 and pregnant’ shows, complain about teen pregnancy rates being down, want to legalize child marriage and child labor. Kids are just one way that capitalism traps you into being dependent on the system and desperate. For those in the US health insurance is another. And over-reliance on cars. They love to put a recurring cost on anything that’s necessary to maintaining your survival/quality of life, because then you’re dependent on perpetuating the system.
The political economy is granted without reservation. The disagreement is about sufficiency rather than accuracy. Historical materialism addresses how existing beings are organised and governed. The antinatalist question is at the level of ontology: whether beings should be instantiated at all. Take the best outcome the Marxist project could deliver: no exploitation, equitable distribution, genuine flourishing. Everyone born into it would still suffer biological degradation, lose the people they love, die, and have been created without their consent. The urgency of the Marxist critique rests on the same recognition that drives antinatalism: beings are harmed by conditions imposed on them without consent. Antinatalism extends that recognition one step further, from political organisation to biological instantiation.
some hobbies. Other hobbies can even make you money.
A hobby that makes money is a job, once you start to depend on it it starts being stressful and stops being a hobby. I’ve been through that cycle a couple of times.
My hobby is data entry in spreadsheets for banks and oil companies.
My condolences.
I’ve completed sailing course recently, and I’m still in awe that one of activities that the instructors do in their spare time is handling the private yachts between ports, like bringing one from Greece to Spain. Seems like an awesome side gig.
If you like being beholden to the Epstein class, sure.
To be honesty, they didn’t look like they were handling mega yachts. You do know that there are a ton of smaller boats all over the place, right?
Depends on the system. The reason why capitalism has proliferated is it allows selfishness, which is part of human nature. Honestly, is there a better economic system, which also rewards selfishness like capitalism?
The main reason why capitalism has proliferated is because capitalists slaughtered everyone who opposed it at first. Millions killed across all of Europe, simply for defending their homes and common land from being taken by the Church and aristocracy.
After resistance was crushed, and people no longer owned anything, they had no choice but to work as slaves for capitalists. Ever since then, they have constantly been pitting us against each other, and we’ve had no choice but to play their game, since otherwise it’s homelessness or death.
People tend to be a whole lot less selfish if they don’t need to struggle for survival, and if they’re not brainwashed into thinking it has to be this way from early childhood.
In every single study and poll, results consistently show that close to nobody supports capitalism, and nearly everyone is perfectly willing to share fairly, so that we can all live well.
Selfishness is not human nature. At least not for the majority of people. Cooperation, sharing, and helping others are. It might not be obvious, because capitalists have been forcefully beating it out of us for the last 500 years.
But it doesn’t matter. Capitalists hold all the power, as they’ve always had, and will sooner die than let any meaningful change take place. Governments would rather order the military to shoot protesters than listen to any anti-capitalist points.
We’re not allowed to question anything about capitalism. It’s the worst, most destructive religion anyone has ever come up with and forced onto others, built on the most asinine dogmas possible.