This is the primary reason why people aren’t having children imo. This and that the system isn’t contributing enough
Now you see why billionaire capitalists want as many people to have children as possible.
They want slaves by any means necessary.
And if you can’t take care of your kids or protect them
The billionaires will just kidnap and eat them
God I hate this timeline with a blind rage
Fosters aren’t cannibals, well, most of them at least. What they will do is kidnap them and place them with a foster family who is being paid to turn your child into a profitable
slaveasset for capitalism.
This is also why they want teenagers getting pregnant. Gotta keep the slaves motivated
This is what it means to be responsible. It’s no longer just about you, but something more. Some people find that suffocating. Others find it liberating.
Very true, and in a pretty surprising turn, most folks really only know how they respond once they get there.
But to the point, the biggest cause of variance between the two is just available resources.
Responsibilityspans the dial between powerful lived experience of wholesome capability and crippling mortal burden from which no escape but death is available. I’d say that dial is twisted more by support / resources / precarity than by individual characteristics, certainly more than an individual’s willingness to “rise to the occasion” or similar.
True, but it’s not a having kids problem. It’s a capitalism problem, as usual.
The same case could be made for hobbies. You need money for hobbies, so they trap you in the system.
Destroy capitalism and suddenly having kids is great (relatively speaking, subject to personal preferences).
There’s a reason the right wing is always trying to ban birth control/abortion, push those trashy ‘16 and pregnant’ shows, complain about teen pregnancy rates being down, want to legalize child marriage and child labor. Kids are just one way that capitalism traps you into being dependent on the system and desperate. For those in the US health insurance is another. And over-reliance on cars. They love to put a recurring cost on anything that’s necessary to maintaining your survival/quality of life, because then you’re dependent on perpetuating the system.
The same case could be made for hobbies. You need money for hobbies, so they trap you in the system.
I don’t think this is quite right. If you want to make changes in your life, you’re free to abandon your hobbies in ways that you are not free to abandon your children.
I think OOP is referring specifically to the cultural pressures everywhere telling you that you need to have kids. The people pushing that the most are conservatives who are straight up puppets for billionaires
They need more labor and consumers. Every American is more profit for the corporations that rule us.
Also more soldiers to send off on needless wars like the Vietnam War, Korean War, Iran War , Afghan War, etc…
All the wars Injust mentioned didnt substantially change any of the lives of the peoples of the countries that participated in them.
Vietnam is still a somewhat socialistic state, North Korea and South Korea still exist till today, Iran is still ruled miliarily by the IRGC and parliamentarily by the Iranian clerical elites, and the Afghanis still dont care at all about nato and are rulled by the Taliban…
Just more soldiers into thhe needless meat grinders, and more slaves and consumers to do the bidding of the richest people in society.
There will be more and more needless wars with dozens of innocent , impressionable adults thrown into the different meat grinders. There will be mroe and more people turned into personal toys for the rich or into their slaves and consumers …
It is not until the average person gets fed up and knowledgable about how this circular and awful system fucks them , their loved ones, their communities and the kids of their communities over and says "No More! " will we see a substantial change to be subsubstantiated.
You need money for hobbies
some hobbies. Other hobbies can even make you money.
A hobby that makes money is a job, once you start to depend on it it starts being stressful and stops being a hobby. I’ve been through that cycle a couple of times.
Other hobbies can even make you money.
My hobby is data entry in spreadsheets for banks and oil companies.
My condolences.
I’ve completed sailing course recently, and I’m still in awe that one of activities that the instructors do in their spare time is handling the private yachts between ports, like bringing one from Greece to Spain. Seems like an awesome side gig.
If you like being beholden to the Epstein class, sure.
Destroy capitalism and suddenly having kids is great
Depends on the system. The reason why capitalism has proliferated is it allows selfishness, which is part of human nature. Honestly, is there a better economic system, which also rewards selfishness like capitalism?
The main reason why capitalism has proliferated is because capitalists slaughtered everyone who opposed it at first. Millions killed across all of Europe, simply for defending their homes and common land from being taken by the Church and aristocracy.
After resistance was crushed, and people no longer owned anything, they had no choice but to work as slaves for capitalists. Ever since then, they have constantly been pitting us against each other, and we’ve had no choice but to play their game, since otherwise it’s homelessness or death.
People tend to be a whole lot less selfish if they don’t need to struggle for survival, and if they’re not brainwashed into thinking it has to be this way from early childhood.
In every single study and poll, results consistently show that close to nobody supports capitalism, and nearly everyone is perfectly willing to share fairly, so that we can all live well.
Selfishness is not human nature. At least not for the majority of people. Cooperation, sharing, and helping others are. It might not be obvious, because capitalists have been forcefully beating it out of us for the last 500 years.
But it doesn’t matter. Capitalists hold all the power, as they’ve always had, and will sooner die than let any meaningful change take place. Governments would rather order the military to shoot protesters than listen to any anti-capitalist points.
We’re not allowed to question anything about capitalism. It’s the worst, most destructive religion anyone has ever come up with and forced onto others, built on the most asinine dogmas possible.
Life carries with it a life sentence…
In general, serious commitments of any kind limit your life choices. “Entrapment” is when someone else tricks you into it.
Op didn’t say “entrapment,” but you are correct that word has a different meaning.
Yeah, but she’s right in that employers definitely exploit that sometimes. They know you can’t just walk away from a raw deal on a whim because while you may be willing to risk yourself, they’re keenly aware that most aren’t willing to risk their children’s food and shelter
and healthcare.
This is only true in backwater countries though…
They know you can’t just walk away from a raw deal on a whim because while you may be willing to risk yourself, they’re keenly aware that most aren’t willing to risk their children’s food and shelter
yeah, backwater shit all over
Thank you. Every choice in life limits other choices. Yes when you have children, you then have to care for them. What lifestyle you must live is up to you though. The ones that must keep up with whoever is the ‘in group’ are always going to have a harder time than those to learn to go for what they really want and need in life and not what a TikTok tells them they do.
People JUST realize this?
Wait until she discovers school loans or taxes.
It’s one form of entrapment but in this economy even being childfree im living paycheck to paycheck
Yeah being a “dink” or even just solo and childless/free used to be a ticket to easy street, now it’s just regular street.
Hey I’m still enjoying solo leveling for the most part.
Exactly, and it makes the idea of “having children” sound even more absurd.
I feel as if this further justifies universal access to voluntary birth control, abortions, and sterilizations globally.
Because all because someone and their parrtner(s) have a breeding kink that doesnt mean thatt they have the time, psyche , or money to raise a child. Esoecially in today’s world where living paycheque to paycheque is the default for most people. So that means all humans have gained the right to delay producing children , even forever, cause how do we know if things will improve economically? Things probably wont improve. The majority of humanity has seemed to be OK with this current ‘paycheque-to-paycheque’ status quo for decades…so…
Dealing with the school system alone is awful.
I get down voted a lot on this subject but people really have no idea what goes on in schools. It’s like I had teachers tell me don’t get into teaching, I’m stubborn, and well yeah they were right. In an ideal world, it would be great. The reality is you have good days and you have the where’s the 4L bottle of vodka that was posted today.
The only people who seem to like the school system are the administrators and board members. Everybody else from the students to the parents to the teachers finds it terrible.
If you feel trapped by kids just wait till you’re old, frail and in the care system.
See thats another reason why i don’t have kids, its an mlm. After i am done with the hamsterwheel, my kids can jump in and would be caught up in it to care for me? No thanks.
People working with the old know very well that having kids will not guarantee you actual help when you are old, which often is just dew to circumstance and not even malice.
There are some positives to having kids, most of them emotional but they are objectivly a very bad deal in all other aspects.
And if you think that is a good reason to have kids you should never be even close to one. The only worse reason I could imagine is “their kidneys will be compatible when I need one”
I didn’t mention kids though did I, that is your own assumption of what I meant.
My comment is on entering a “system” which you feel entrapped by. Old age, unless you are very lucky is going to lead to the exact same result as this person is bemoaning about parenthood. The irony being you often enter a kid like state yourself, dependent on others turning up for you.
But if you want to know, I agree that you should not have the kids with the expectation they are going to have to care for you.
Sounds a little selfish to me.
Just a rat in a cage…
Want your rights but don’t want your obligation seems like failure on your part, not the system.
Congratulations on completely missing the point of the post
