If the shoe were on the other foot, we’d be shutting the fuck down to own the libs
When do we do things to “Own the Cons” ?
F#*K Chuck! I’m done with this nonsense!
Yippe! Even more spineless than we thought!
You stupid, rotten, useless cunts!
THEY ARE TERIFIED.
Why isn’t MSNBC on the vigil? Why isn’t CNN on the offensive? Why did the WP sell out its editorial column?
THEY ARE TERRIFIED.
You don’t even know how bad it is, because the commercial entities that the US has entrusted with their information are now looking out for themselves.
THERE’S A REASON THAT THE PRESS IS THE FOURTH COLUMN. and we get to see why in the worst way.
They need to be made to understand that they should be more afraid of us than the MAGAs.
as funny as it may sound, your reply alone helps us all.
Go on, centrists. How is this a Good Thing Actually?
“You see, by giving Republicans what they want, it actually shows how badly we needed progressives in the voting booths last November. Somehow us being evil makes them vote for us more.”
what a failure.
Can we get these old spineless fucks out already?
First you have to beat them in what democrats hilariously call primaries. If they have primaries at all.
As I said in the other thread, Republicans could have waited a week or two, got their act together on the budget reconciliation bill and then reopened the government without a single democratic senator. Closing the government hurts democratic interests and the republicans reopening it without democratic votes doesn’t help democratic interests either.
We already have a party that is know for being stubborn, hurting it’s own constituents, and not getting anything in return besides it’s base praising how tough they look - we don’t need a second one.
Cool. As an opposition party you make them do that.
You don’t fucking work with the Nazi party, who is currently actively dismantling the government, because you are afraid your defense contractor constituents won’t be happy.
The democrats got literally nothing from the republicans. That’s absolutely not compromise, it’s just being an ashamed republican.
What you’re conveniently ignoring is that Republicans only have a handful of reconciliation bills. Democrats should have forced them to burn one.
And Democratic interests? The government being open isn’t going to stop Elon from gutting social spending. Forcing concessions that rein him in just might.
This is just such a bone-headed take.
The government is already shutting down though, the point is to not give the executive branch a blank check to spend because they’re ignoring the courts. But I agree for different reasons that this move serves the party interests.
Like I said in another thread. The shut down is temporary, what they put in that bill is not.
Not even a day after this spinless asshole said they’d stand strong.
I guess all the endless calling our representatives just means fuck-all doesn’t it?
Yeah, pretty much.
But here’s my final correspondence to my Democratic Senators
I want to share how absolutely disappointed I am with the Democratic party and how they are handling being the opposition party thus far especially with this latest round of budget bills that screw over the working families by cutting Medicaid/care. Not even one freaking day after after stating that Democrats would stand strong and not vote for this abomination of a bill, your leader goes and announces they’re going to vote for it.
This party has no spine, no convictions and won’t stand up to fascism and continues to roll over and vote for anything the Nazi-salute party shoves your way. I am absolutely sickened at this lack of leadership and standing up against these fascist and honestly, I don’t see a point in voting for Democrats moving forward when this is the lesser of two evils but then again, I’m sure leadership here will vote to remove our right to vote soon in the grandest gestures of capitulation so I guess there’s that.
I wouldn’t put that much effort into something that was going to be ignored and thrown away
Protest if you can. If not, ask the groups what support you can offer with a list of skills such as logistics, spreadsheet, security, secure com, policing tactics, etc
And people have the gall to shame people who stayed home and refused to vote for Kamala.
(Note, I voted for Kamala. You have to point that out or liberals shit themselves.)
We need to let the Democratic Party die completely. They are captured opposition.
Liberals pretend that it was democracy vs. fascism on the ballot in 2024. It wasn’t. Democracy wasn’t on the ballot. What was on the ballot were two choices:
- Fascism in 2024.
- Fascism in 2028.
Those were the only two choices. Just like Democrats now, Kamala and friends would not have made any meaningful change. They would have just coasted, sitting on their asses, doing nothing until Trump or someone worse rode into office in 2028.
Democrats didn’t even bother preparing for Project 2025, even though they had the whole thing detailed in advance.
If Democrats aren’t going to use what power they have while out of office, they don’t deserve to be put into office.
We need a new party, a popular front that will start by crushing the Democrats and then move on to crush MAGA. We cannot kill MAGA until we first kill the corporate Democrats. They’re a captured opposition that sucks all the oxygen out of the room and prevents any real good from happening. In many ways, they are worse than Republicans. At least Republicans are honest about their evil.
But why make a new party when you can vote out establishment corporate Democrats in primaries, remaking the Democratic party? Seems pointless to start from square 1 when the Dems are right there ripe for a take over.
Honestly i think it would be easier and faster to take over the republican party sometimes
when you can vote out establishment corporate Democrats in primaries
the party fights against progressives in the primaries harder than it does against republicans in the general.
But they can still be beaten
Provided they have fair primaries. Which we can no longer trust them to do.
And? Progressives still win primaries all the time. If we had more people vote in them, and had more progressive candidates running, then more progressives would win regardless of what the Party wants. Republicans didn’t want Trump in 2016, they desperately tried to not have him, but the voters kept voting for him so he won the primary and became the party.
Are they required by law to hold primaries?
No but it’s incredibly incredibly rare for them to not hold primaries. It only happens when there is, either an obviously massive lead, an incumbent president, or when someone is running unopposed. Both parties do that. Primaries happen 99% of the time. People say primaries didnt happen in 2024 but they absolutely did in almost all 50 states president wise and in all 50 states lower than president wise.
So while there is no law that says “you have to hold a primary” they will still be holding primaries. There’s only been one time when in modern history when the incumbent isnt running and there weren’t primaries held to find his replacement and that was last year with Harris.
Primaries have the problem where so few people come out to vote in them, at least on the Democrat side, that even if the people broadly seem to support a candidate in the area, they’ll often not even bother voting in the primary. This happened in 2016 when Bernie lost the primary by 3 and a half million votes and only would have won if all but 9 super delegates went to him which never would have happened because he didn’t win a majority of the votes.
Primaries will happen, we can vote them out. AOC did it in 2018 and we can do it nationwide next year.
Check out the Working Families Party.
Thanks for voting for Kamala.
If we get to vote for President in 2028, do you think your new party will have killed the Democrats yet? If not, will you vote for the Democratic candidate again? If not, do you think there will be another chance in 2032?
I don’t know. I do know at this point that you might as well just write “Jesus” on the ballot instead of voting for Dems. In theory, voting for Jesus at least comes with a tiny minuscule chance of divine intervention, while voting for Dems just guarantees craven horseshit.
I’ve voted Democrat my whole life out of the lesser evil thing. I think I’m going to vote third party at this point because things are getting eviler and they are part of the problem.
My question is if I vote Democrat again, will they simply maintain the status quo and do nothing until the next fascist runs on blowing up the system that they are defending that isn’t working for anyone and wins again?
Because so far that’s all that has happened. Oh yeah there was also that guy that won on “hope” and “change” and gave a handout to insurance companies instead of a public option.
After citizens united and before they are all owned by the same elites that crush everyone else. One party just does it under a cross and the other does it under a rainbow flag.
Vote for primary opponents of the Dem Quislings
We need a new party, a popular front that will start by crushing the Democrats and then move on to crush MAGA.
So make it then.
Other more progressive better parties already exist. They don’t get votes. What is your party going to do differently to get votes?
It would take at least three election cycles before a 3rd party to rise enough to genuinely challenge one of the parties, and in the meantime the Republicans would be fucking up the country, probably irreparably.
And that’s only if they allow elections at all, or at least fair, unrigged ones.
Not a single spine in congress. None.
These days the only hope I have left for the US is that everyone on the left become a dem party member and primary the shit out of all these “high road” cowards.
Trump and co won’t stop, and there won’t be a backlash if it’s not supported politically.
This assumes they even let you run. Or that you can afford to run or that they don’t pour millions of dollars into beating you.
We are absolutely fucked beyond a complete revolution, as much as that will hurt a lot of people.
Guess I’m not voting blue no matter who anymore because they’re a bunch of SPINELESS FECKLESS DICKLESS MORONS.
So Eric Trump in 2028 then
I don’t have to vote for anybody anymore.
Just turn in an empty ballot.
Don’t forget to wipe your ass with it first
I dragged the 2024 ballot across my nuts before I put it in the envelope
Not feckless. They know exactly what they do, and they do it with gusto.
The only way murica comes back is with a revolution. No politicians give a fuck about anyone but themselves and their family. Glad im not murican
Its getting harder and harder to see how we get out of this without violence. The only question is what will touch it off.
Honestly? I see Republicans hit with SS and Medicare cuts going postal before our Democrat representatives bother to even try to be effective
I just hope they don’t blame AOC or something. Their anger should be directed at the traitors and cowards.
100%
Same. Team. Not ours.
Both sides want this, I don’t know how else to process the fact they don’t do anything to stop Trump, but do everything to stop a new face to stand up against Trump.
