Absolutely useless
Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there’s no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.
We’re not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we’re going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That’ll how 'im!
Donald Trump wants the courts to stop overturning his random EOs. A shutdown would close the courts.
So we should just give him everything he asked for on a silver platter with no resistance whatsoever and not offer any meaningful alternatives?
It’s like invading Iraq when a bunch of Saudis that hate Iraq attack you. You have to ask yourself “is this exactly what they want me to do?” And then “If I want my revenge, whom should I attack and how?”
Attacking federal workers on behalf of Trump is not the way to “Stand up to Trump”
You know that’s a really good point, maybe I was too quick to react.
I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.
Heinrich is also voting no
They backed down on govt funding? They backed down, didn’t they?
Not they. So far it’s only Schumer and Fetterman, and Fetterman was a lost cause anyway.
Next time I’m donating to the strokes act blue.
Cuck Schumer
I miss Anthony Weiner
Can we agree that we need less leadership? If these meeks want anyone dead we are all screwed because they have a trillion dollar army at their command
You have meek fuckers in leadership because that’s who the corporate/wealthy donors want there. If you want to get rid of them you’re going to have to get rid of the money and influence that put them there.
I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the “Blue No Matter Who” mentality gets you.
The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it’s not a worthwhile conversation.
The message isn’t the issue, your timing is.
LOL
What primaries? The Democrats invented superdelegates to subvert democracy in the primary process, and then argued in court in Florida that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.
Good point. Better to do nothing then. Give up.
Or get more involved in the only party with a chance and change them from the inside?
No, that sounds like work. Forget it.
depends on what you mean by, " get more involved in the only party"
If you mean gut the dems and start over with 100% new leadership and without being at the behest of the rich, I’m in. Otherwise its a pointless pantomime and I’m not interested in playing along in corpo-fascist games any longer.
I love the idea. What’s the first step we can take to accomplish that?
tough one. Its not something that comes up often. I’d say for starters we re-register to a new party to get some momentum going. DSA maybe.
It is a good point, and I’m not advocating for doing nothing, just acknowledging that change via the Democrats is impossible. Unless you’ve been asleep for 40 years, you’re well aware that real, meaningful change is impossible in this party duopoly, and nothing underscores that more than running a publicly brain-dead man and the entire “progressive” party apparatus lining up behind him in order to suit his fragile, stupid ego.
What I advocate for is doing good with one’s own two hands, because that’s always possible. Be willing to pick up dog shit even if it’s not yours. When someone in your building asks for a favor, be generous with your time. When ICE comes knocking, and they will, find that maybe you have difficulty remembering things. (And if you really want to underscore how shitty the Democrats are, remember that Tom Homan was also Obama’s guy.)
I agree. But my point is that the Democrats are the only tool we have at the moment within the government.
We have plenty of tools outside of the government, and you’re 100% right that we should use those as well.
But let’s not throw out the one tool we have inside the government. Let’s improve it so it’s useful.
Do we have Democrats as a tool inside the government? Are you sure they aren’t another of the oligarchs’ tools?
It’s both. And they’re the most likely group that we could turn to our purposes.
A broken tool is no tool at all
I can tell you’ve never had to sweep or shovel with something when half the haft is gone. Or tear the lid off a garbage can because the mechanism to lift the lid stopped working.
/c/im14andthisisdeep
Let’s improve it so it’s useful.
The devils in the details of that vague proposal. So, sure I guess.
That’s the thing, we don’t.
The Democrats in Washington do not give a fuck about you, me, our families, or anyone else. They exist to do performative things and make nice speeches, then go vote in a manner that can be charitably called conservative but more often enables fascism. For example, remember when they did their nice little stunt kneeling in Congress with their African wear? Those same Democrats linked up behind Biden when he wanted to militarize the police even more.
The only power you or I have is local unless you’re willing to commit an extraordinary act of vigilantism or you’re a billionaire. That’s it.
So join local Democrat groups
How long do I have to wait for this to work? It’s been 25 years of voting blue no matter who and Republicans are just getting more and more power. When do we get to say that’s a failed strategy? When there’s no elections anymore or when there’s only one party on the ballot?
Oh, wait, that happens a ton already because Democrats are fucking useless. Three seats on my 2024 ballot had Republicans running unopposed.
It HAS worked. Do you know how bad it would’ve been had we had Republican after Republican?? It would’ve been project 2000.
Damage has been mitigated. Progress has been made. If you don’t appreciate that, then I’m happy for you because it means you are well of enough to not notice.
So it works when a fascist is elected eventually rather than immediately.
Gotcha.
And exercise doesn’t prevent death, only extends life. Better not bother.
Way ahead of you.
But if all we can hope for is death, I don’t see a point in participating. Society is awful, people are terrible, and I can’t see the stars. And there’s literally nothing I can do to fix this, just bang my head against a wall.
I don’t see the point in trying to make things better anymore.
I hear ya. I had the same feeling of futility for a long while.
I got rid of it by getting out of the house and meeting little who think like me in real life. Going to protests and school board meetings has helped me not think it’s useless.
And showing up to those things let’s you push back on those who are pushing the wrong way. If you can’t gain ground, slow them down. Make it expensive for them to hurt us.
Youy know why Schumer said he wouldnt fight and voted with the republicans?
“Harm reduction”.
Sound familiar?
He’s a failure.
Harm reduction isn’t 100% of possible harm reduction.
I’m not saying they’re good. I’m saying they’re useful and sometimes not horrible.
This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.
You’re either with the oligarchs or you’re with the terrorists
Oof
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC. BlueMAGA is some combination of a death cult and an abusive relationship.
BlueMAGA sounds like weak bothsidesism, come up with some real criticism
come up with some real criticism
The whole thread and all the rest of lemmy is full of real criticism. So maybe take your own advice before you attack that person.
I’m not attacking them, and I wasn’t talking to the rest of Lemmy so they are irrelevant
I did.
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC.
So your criticism of liberals is… they vote for the party the most closely aligns with their views? And this is somehow analogous to death cults and MAGA extremism?
It doesn’t align with their views; that’s the whole problem. Liberals carry water for the DNC even though they hate the nonsense it does as much as everyone else. At least I don’t think I’ve seen anyone around here say that Biden supporting genocide* or not going after price gouging were good things. It’s always excuses, “lesser” evils and false dichotomies to make sure the Democrats are always just good enough to not throw aside. That’s why I likened it to the Stockholm Syndrome.
*well Zionists think so but screw them
That’s still not analogous to MAGA extremism, Democrats have much more favorable social policies, which is what most Americans care about. Voting for the party that does more about the values you care about is not a death cult unless you think basic LGBT rights are a death cult.
Now that I think about it I was using liberal to mean DNC supporter and I’m pretty sure that’s a misnomer (though there likely is significant overlap) so I’ll say DNC supporter from now on. Also what I personally call blue MAGA is only a subset of DNC “supporters” (since most of them are closer to willing hostages, at least around here). My personal blue MAGA line is actually thinking the DNC is a competent or honest political party despite being shown evidence to the contrary or has some kind of right to people’s votes. “America didn’t vote for them so they have no duty to act/America clearly wants fascism” rhetoric and thinking accepting genocide was competent electoral strategy (again despite being shown evidence to the contrary) also fall under this. They also like to claim Bernie’s losses in 2016 and 2020 were “the will of the voters” rather than the result of DNC tampering. Edit: Seeing a headline about genocide in Palestine and writing something to the effect of “Gaza voters bad” is also a pretty clear tell.
That’s still not analogous to MAGA extremism,
The blue MAGA comparison isn’t about extremism; it’s about other hallmark MAGA traits like tribalism, enforcement of ideological homogeneity, vilification and mocking of critics and uncritical support for “us” over “them”. For what I consider emblematic blue MAGA behavior, remember how in the lead up to the election everyone critical of Biden and later Harris or the DNC was called a Russian troll or MAGA in disguise? Yeah, it’s that. So yeah, they’re called blue MAGA because they’re perfectly willing to imitate MAGA when it suits them. Fortunately the number of blue MAGAs (as opposed to willing hostages) shrunk since then, but you’ll still see a few of them around.
unless you think basic LGBT rights are a death cult.
Within the context of the Western, and especially American, slide into fascism, people who want to stop that must do what works and ditch what doesn’t work. Well, we call argue all day about what works, but voting for the DNC and in DNC primaries doesn’t. Bernie 2020 and their abandonment of Jamal Bowman are all proof needed for that. And what do you call a group of people who insist on and defend walking a path down which only their misery lies? Because I call that a death cult. Whether one realizes that (the willing hostages) or chooses not to (blue MAGA) is irrelevant.
It is very culty.
Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don’t fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.
On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.
DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of “Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed” articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.
They’re not meek, they profit from the status quo.
These people have no business in governing modern day people, these dinosaurs need to be let go.
From 2008 through Bidens term, when the GOP wanted to use the threat of a Govt shutdown against Democrats as leverage negotiating as a minority party. Now, the Democrats want to use the same methods as a way to have some power. The problem with this line of thinking is that the current administration does not want most of the Government open. They want to shut it down and give DOGE time to make sure none of the employees come back. This is the total opposite of the leverage the GOP had over Democrats who only wanted to keep the Government open. It was never going to work and they would have just been helping DOGE complete their goals. After all their goal is to dismantle as much of the Federal Govt as possible.
So what should the Democrats do? Open another government?
Trump cant do nearly as much damage to a government thats utterly closed down, so they should have shut it all down for 3 years and 10 months if they could. If the dems had a single stone shared between the lot of them they’d shut it all down. Or maybe the dems are corrupt, but its the same outcome either way.
He’s not meek he’s corrupt
If you’re old enough to draw Social Security, you shouldn’t hold office. Period.
I know what you mean and mostly agree with upper age limits on office holders but children can receive social security survivors benefits. It is not just (although mainly) old age pensioners.
Dems agree to set Social Security age to 105
Here’s the actual story, Schumer relented one day after GOP and DNC megadonors threaten to pull funding away from 10 Democrats.
So the super rich really do control everyone and everything.
Who knew?
Historians and artists have been trying to tell us this for years.
We didn’t listen, but we liked their work.
