Or else what? Withdraw the nomination? (You can’t withdraw a nomination lol)
Harris chose this
Oh? Pulling a “Republican”? My wife made me do it? Wasn’t my fault? Attempting to distance herself so she can make a run for office again.
Yeah, seriously. She’s an adult. She could have just said “Thanks Joe, now go away.” What could he have done? Fired her?
If anyone wants some good rage material, watch the Pod Save America interview with Harris staffers
She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.
She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It’s all in the past now and just a footnote in history.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these thing and it was cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.
They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to the website and the country as a whole.
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
No, they dig their head in the sand and continue to play stupid. If they ever actually acknowledged reality they’d feel bad, so that’s not gonna happen
Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.
He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did
Real ted cruz moment, that.
History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn’t arrest him, didn’t defeat him, didn’t stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn’t go after the enablers of his actions, didn’t really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.
Look at democrats now. Still doing absolutely nothing. Even if they won they still wouldn’t have stopped Trump or Musk. They’d probably just stand aside if there was another Jan 6.
100% agreement. He should have arrested Agent Krasnov and his henchmen on the first day of his presidency, and detained them in isolation without bail or access to the media, until their trials were resolved. If he had done that, Krasnov and his Gang would be in prison right now, instead of the White House.
Instead Biden appointed a weakass Republican as his AG who gave him a 2 year head start to run out the clock.
The Dems had the perfect chance to defend our country from the MAGA scourge, but they totally abdicated their responsibility. It will be 100 times harder to take it back now, and I don’t see it happening without violence.
WDYM “let”? What was he gonna do? Sniff her?
He probably said something vague about decorum.
If you run into Biden can you let him know I decorumed his mom last night.
His legacy is in the toilet so congratulations advisors.
I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.
I blame her loss on her being a bad candidate who wouldn’t push popular positions. Harris was a week candidate from the start. She dropped out of the primary in 2020 with only 3% support and then got the VP nom.
They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.
They weren’t really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.
Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn’t rigged in their favor. Since they didn’t get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it’s reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.
That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.
There are elements of sexism here, but that’s just endemic to politics. They didn’t fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.
Sounds like an excuse. She could’ve had a different stance but didn’t. Because she’s the same thing. She was asked point blank how she’s any different than Biden and she couldn’t answer.
Harris couldn’t answer basic policy questions when she was running for president in 2020 either.
Nonsense. In 2020, she was one of the few that was supporting universal health care, for one thing. Unfortunately, she somehow decided, or was pressured, to stick with Biden’s platform in 2024 instead of her own, more progressive, platform.
she’s setting up for 2028. assuming we have elections
After an L like this, I don’t think Harris makes it to the 2nd primary debate
Suddenly her campaign choices make a lot more sense…
It’s ridiculous to think that Harris couldn’t have done what she wanted. Once you’re named the nominee, that’s it. They’re not going to back out.
The problem was her campaign was largely run by Biden’s people. He clearly was interfering with her campaign and she kept trying to make the most of it.
Did she ever say that publicly? No. So she did not make the most of it.
If she was unwilling to break from him because of his wishes, even if she was theoretically able, that speaks volumes about her as a leader.
If she runs again, we lose again.
IF there is another election, HitlerPig will get 98% of the vote, and he’ll use his “popularity” with the American voters to justify defying the Constitutional prohibition against a 3rd term.
Elections are run at the state level, so they won’t be that interfered with.
Not that it will matter; rigging the states with Republican state governments is more than enough
There are plenty of treasonous Republicans at the state level, managing elections. They were very active over the last four years getting MAGATraitors into influential election positions. Rolling Stone had a landmark article last year identifying hundreds of MAGATraitors in important election positions around the country.
Besides, between Muskrat, Russia, and China, and probably more, they have the best hackers on the planet to manipulate the process.
Oh I’m with you on the big IF. Hell, I’ll be surprised if we even have legitimate mid-terms.
He will do anything to preserve his slim Congressional majorities. They give him credibility, even though he is legislating through Executive Orders anyway.
I expect that he will find an excuse to impose Martial Law and suspend elections until peace is restored.
OTOH, if he allows elections to happen, it’s because he is confident that their cheating strategies will win, and we’ll even see strong blue districts flip.
They will use polls reflecting current voter anger at weakling Democrats to justify the obviously fraudulent results.
I mean, that was the line from centrists anytime someone wanted any hope from harris that she might be less of a lapdog for netanyahu than biden was.
The way democrats talk: “We’re turning the page and letting the daylight in!”
The way democrats act with a majority: “We couldn’t get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries.”
“We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”
A vice president isn’t going to publicly break with the sitting president
Been saying this before the election. These comments are wild.
A vice president isn’t going to publicly break with the sitting president
The pro-genocide centrists who made this excuse were silent when she moved to his right.
Why not?
I mean, I know she wouldn’t. But seriously, think about it, why not? People wanted her to, so why not? People don’t want milquetoast policy changes that improve such and such by 2%, they want a hero, so why not? People don’t want palestinians to die, so why not?
She was either: an awful candidate because she wouldn’t promise anything, or, an awful candidate because she couldn’t promise anything.
And yeah, I wanted her to win, but the problems that fucked the last election up still plague the party. If they don’t learn, we’re all going straight to Trump’s gulag.
Every answer they have for “Why not?” will be “the status quo that is completely made up by the politcal establishment and lobbyists say so.”
Biden was unpopular, him dropping out and apointing Harris was a massive spike in the polls. I was personally excited for the shake up. Mad at the fact it was after the primaries so we didn’t have time to democratically pick someone for the democrat party when democracy is at stake, but she was a new face, with probably new ideas.
It took her a while to get a policy on her website. Weeks, even. While Project 2025 had been workshopped for god knows how long and then made part of Trump’s promises since day one of his run. And she just said “I stand with him on everything. Every issue, I agree with.” And some small changes like “I will give $100K to new homeowners” like that meant something for the majority of people who can never ever own a home in America.
And then Tim Waltz was picked. Progressive, had a good run as governor. Not perfect from his treatment of BLM protestors, but overall a solid pick. Waltz got the Republicans bothered with the weird comments. It worked. And then they just… stopped using the one trick that worked.
And then instead of going for their usual base of working class folks, the minorities who have voted for him because the other side is “We Will Deport and Kill All Of You”, they went “Let’s try to win the unicorn voters of disenfranchised Republicans who will vote for a Democrat!” The fucking Chaneys, the family who organized the largest, longest, deadliest, costliest wars America has had in the 21st century were chosen as sane and reasonable people.
Harris said “We’ll have the most powerful military if I’m elected! I will not underfund it! I will have strong border polices on the Mexican border! I will follow the law of red states on the polices of trans students!” Just copying republican talking points like it was a shoe-in.
All it did was alienate the voter base of the people who vote Democrat because they aren’t Republican, and the brainwashed Trump supporters would never vote for a Democrat simply because of nearly 30 years of brainwashing by Fox News, Glen Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, followed by Tim Pool, Charlie Kirk, Joe Rogan, and whatever conservative of the year has a podcast/youtube show.
And we were called crazy and insane for noticing any of this. Comments removed on Reddit and Lemmy. Called Russian bots on Twitter and Mastodon. Called single issue voters who hate the idea of compromise. And we were right! And they still laugh at us for being right, thinking that because Trump sucks, it means we were wrong for pointing out the flaws of a bad canidate.
It’s because of the frustration surrounding the elections, and it will take a while for everything to calm down, although Kamala could run for president again if she doesn’t opt for the California governorship.
although Kamala could run for president again if she doesn’t opt for the California governorship.
I wouldn’t put it past leadership to consider this a good idea and forego primaries again.
Joe Biden publicly broke with Obama when Obama drew a line in the sand on Israel using American weapons in a genocide
Biden publicly and repeatedly told anyone who would listen that Obama was wrong and the only way to work with Israel is giving them everything they ask for…
Are you saying that hurt his chances later when he was handed the presidential nomination after a literal 40 years of losing primaries?
It seems like it’s not about going against the president, it’s about going against neoli eral policy…
And he was a white man talking about a black man.
I don’t think that had anything to do with it.
But it completely blows out the neoliberal defense of
VPs have no autonomy!
Anyone that honestly knows about our recent political history knows what Biden did back then, but they’re like Republicans. They don’t think logically and come to a conclusion.
They say whatever needs said in the moment to make their “team” sound the best.
They’re fucking shady cars salesmen essentially.
Honestly, I kinda don’t buy the idea Biden controlled Harris. Biden could have in 2008, but not in 2024. We all saw his term. He could be great, but when he slowed and floundered, it hampered his goals.
I’m torn between:
“I don’t think an adult woman would instantly bind herself to an old man, she can have bad ideas on her own.”
“I don’t think she had everything planned out, she took advice from those around her, and the advice was shit but it’s hard to get anything from outside this POV without getting even worse feedback.”
But either way, I’m kind of glad that parts of the DNC is admitting fault after royally fucking up a second time and giving us Trump again. But I was also told they learned mistakes from 2016, and clearly they didn’t, and must have fired everyone who did.
I wish Harris won merely as a stop-gap who is younger and more coherent, maybe could have gotten someone better next primary. Would have been messy and I would prefer anyone else, but not as bad. But it wouldn’t have stopped the fascist uprising we’re having, just keeping the cyst growing until it popped. If Biden didn’t get Trump arrested, I doubt Harris would have, despite her history.
we’re never going to see an end to the risk of fascism until we end capitalism, and it’s as simple as that.
money is power, and if corporations and individuals can hoard wealth infinitely, it’s only a matter of time until enough of that wealth is accumulated in few enough hands for those few to use their wealth to take control of the state
I wish she had won too. Didn’t really like her but she was miles ahead of trump. I don’t think you should be torn between the two, I think it was both. She listened to some very bad advice and believed the information she had at hand.
