Let me know when an actual arrest warrant is issued. Until then, this is political theater.
Dream a little dream with me…
Don’t let me disturb you, I’m just gonna park these here:
!Cyberstuck@lemmy.ca for more schadenfreude.
Do it do it!
How are you going to get past Secret Service-X © to arrest xXx President Musk xXx ™?
Is this how we start Civil War II? Because I sincerely think Trump would declare war on Wisconsin if this ends up happening.
Lets Fucking Gooooooo
Everyone that plays HOI knows the Civil War is the good timeline, in Germany or America.
Americans…why are you just allowing this to happen to your country, like what’s it going to take for you people to actually do something?
Most people in US just stare at their phone all day so they’re probably fucked
The TikTok plan from China worked.
The bread and circuses plan from Rome worked.
Might get interesting when DOGE removes the bread for a lot of people.
I would say it started with mass adoption of iPhone. When I go to states I’m amazed that literally everyone is just looking at their phone, big headphones on, hood up, XXL sweatpants. It’s like human interaction ain’t allowed anymore lmao
I was surprised by the number of people who showed up to my local Tesla dealership to protest. It hurts his pocket book indirectly, but it’s something.
@Eruanna @Elkot I’ve been following the #TeslaTakedown stuff with interest - some of the protests seem to be enormous. Hopefully it is inviting people to dip their toe in the water, meet some fellow pissed off people, start organising, be visibly against what’s happening… It all matters.
Yeah, here’s the one I went to, great participation, turnout, and enthusiasm. https://midwest.social/post/25445376
@Eruanna amazing! And you thought you’d be the only one - I think this is the importance of these - people are realising they’re not alone, just because Fox keeps telling them they are
Absolutely. There’s one guy protesting pro trump nearby by himself, I was afraid it’d turn out something like that.
@Eruanna honk honk!
We’re pretty conditioned to obey. Like, you can be a rebel and insult people or be racist or sexist or “anti-social,” but you go to work and pay your bills. We’re also, mostly, in debt up to our eyeballs the stress of which gives a powerful myopia. Average Americans are way poorer than tv would have you think.
Thirty percent of the population doesn’t even bother to vote as they’ve basically given up, maybe for one of the reasons above or maybe because the government has little to do with day to day life, or maybe something else.
There’s also like a third of the population that is super happy about these developments. It the most amazing thing to have a king again and get back to how things are supposed to be.
There’s also a sort of general American optimism that is super persistent: if you do good, then it’ll be ok. We’re hyper individualized. Do the best you can with what you have. Don’t put anyone out, or depend on anyone else.
Unfortunately, things will have to get a lot worse to motivate us.
I’ll express from someone living in a red state. The fuck am I going to do? I’m over half a thousand miles away from the state he’s fucking with, and he’s probably not there most of the time and again thousands of miles over, with all the power of money to get him wherever the fuck he wants to go vs my little car.
So build up support. A third of this country voted for this, and a third of this country sat out. So you’ve got a third that’s actively angry about this, but scattered literal thousands of miles across the country. Kinda hard to gather to this. Sure we gather to protest but this administration isn’t going to give two shits about it, this entire situation is proving that. But gathering and protesting IS the power we have so we’re doing that. Unfortunately the cameras aren’t on that because the people supporting this are the ones with the media.
As someone put it, most of us are slaves to our paychecks, living on the barest margin of survivability, and that’s been the way for decades. Y’all get to see the chest thumping “America is the greatest place!” but lets be honest, most of us are so disaffected that what we’re watching is the horror of a monster taking over, but the country we were raised in and told to love there will be very little sadness when its gone, just sadness for how evil it will become. But that living paycheck to paycheck means in order for me to go somewhere where I can maybe put up resistance because right now I’m surrounded by people who support this… and these are the people who have been arming up in ready for a war for years… would be to uproot completely, and even the bluest of blue states would happily let me die in a gutter if I don’t have job. So either I stay and support people who will be hurt when it gets worse, or I become at best a martyr, or at worst, another statistic that the news may not even bother reporting.
The answers will vary, but why are we allowing this to happen? I’ll say my answer, some of us have been fighting this for years, over a decade since the Tea Party got mad that a black man was president, have been struggling to change the trajectory of this ship away from the iceberg. But I’ve seen the people of my country as a whole grab the wheel, lock the door and say it’s their god given right to drive into the iceberg. So at this point in the analogy I’m just gathering life preservers and making sure people have them on even as many of them will tell me the ship is unsinkable.
This take is so boring. There are protests and even direct action all across the States. We’re just getting started. You need to change your media sources if you’re not hearing about what’s going on.
Easier if the country was the size of something like France. But when you have to clear a thousand miles just to arrive at the halfway point in the US. It’s hard to show massive protests.
We’re slaves living paycheck to paycheck and nobody cares about each other.
This system will collapse before we hold rich white men accountable
Don’t Worry! The COURTS are on that! They have their Stern Letters READY TO GO!
This situation has killed democracy in the world, showing it’s worst downside: It’s ability to self destroy.
IDK if it killed democracy because it can fail. Almost all systems of government have failed.
The only one that hadn’t (yet) is democracy.
Not sure why anyone would be surprised that democracy has a best before date…
That’s literally not true. It’s true in America, so far, but plenty of democratically elected leaders have become dictators.
Hitler comes to mind.
Fucking do it already. His approval ratings are pretty low right now (billionaire approval ratings, fucking gross), so I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.
He shouldn’t have approval ratings.
I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time.
Hope this isn’t wishful thinking. Trump thinks his son is a l33t hacker for being able to turn a laptop on. Musk on the other hand owns a major social media platform and has access to skilled technicians and programmers, as well as huge server farms which he doubtless uses to analyse voter behaviour and find the weak points where efforts should be focused in order to have most impact on electoral choices.
Trump certainly understands how essential to the disinfo effort Musk is, even though it’s way beyond the grasp of your average MAGA. IMO Trump is not going to abandon Musk in a hurry.
Maybe. But on the other hand, throwing anyone and everyone under the bus to save his own ass has been Trump’s MO for decades…
Fucking do it already
Laws are for little people. Nobody in Wisconsin is going to green light this, because nobody has the chutzpah to inconvenience a billionaire.
I feel like MAGA might not come to his defense this time
MAGA isn’t the problem. Corporate media and the Trump AG are the problem.
“chutzpah”
Alright learnt a new word here. Rougly “cojones” it seems but I’m liking it!I often felt from context it was closer to “hubris”, as “cajones” might just mean brave.
Wait wait “cOjones” is not the same as “cAjones” that means drawer
Hubris means ‘overvalued confidence’ I believe. Whereas cajones etc is just stubborn confidence. Similar, but importantly different.
Hubris has a different meaning from any of these.
Would you mind explaining how chutzpah and hubris differ please? I’m not sure I get it.
Put simply: Chutzpah has more of a positive connotation, while hubris is almost always negative.
Hubris is a kind of boastful pride–like a sense of invulnerability. It also implies a kind of dramatic irony, that this sense of invulnerability will eventually prove false. (The term comes from ancient Greek theater, where it’s often the Heroic Flaw that will eventually be the undoing of the tragic hero.)
Chutzpah is more…audacity, nerve, gall. A person with chutzpah doesn’t believe they can’t be harmed; they’re just willing to bald-face it out in the hopes you won’t actually call them on it. In English it can have a positive connotation, the way “cojones” tends to, but it can also have a negative connotation, like “cheek” or “gall.” It comes from Yiddish, where apparently it’s more uniformly negative. (Leave it to us Americans to interpret a condemnation of shameless effrontery as somehow laudatory.)
I guess I would say the key difference is that someone with hubris thinks they are invulnerable, whereas a person with chutzpah is aware they are vulnerable and absolutely refusing to act like it.
They’re definitely kind of related, but they just have really different feels to them
They’ll defend him because if he goes to prison that is now a can of worms they cannot close, the slippery slope they fear the most is society actually putting these people in prison
No way his puppy doesn’t pardon him.
Elon is never going to face accountability through the judicial system
The president can’t pardon someone for state crimes.
Sorry, He’ll executive order. Just like all his other totally legal executive orders.
If musk was actually arrested and denied bail, and looked like he might actually face real legal consequences, I would not be terribly surprised if Trump just sent in the feds to strong arm their way into getting them to hand Elon over. They’d probably have some executive order that isn’t even remotely legal and basically just use it as a veneer of legitimacy while threatening to take him by force if they don’t comply.
Who is going to stop him ? They’re already blackbagging people, and you still think there are laws.
A pardon is just words in the same way a law is. Someone has to implement them, and in this case it would require state officials to act rather than people who can be fired if they don’t do it.
Let me just hold my breath real quick
He can’t be arrested, he owns the country
Need more Luigi
FPV Mario ‘kart’ gonna be lit
The difference between luigi and whoever kills Musk is that the person who kills Musk will have had a possitive impact
Lmfao, private healthcare shill. I can’t wait for you to get a bankrupting medical bill, magat
Political action time and time again is proven to expand socialized healthcare, forces insurance companies to be competitive.
Luigi in the only test ever accomplished nothing and will never accomplish again because he is going to prison and nobody else is dumb enough to take up the mantle.
You’re misguided for thinking murder worship opposes the injustices in healthcare industry.
It’s not murder to kill private sector health insurance ceos, it’s self defense. These people decide to kill people every day by denying claims and bankrupting people with poor coverage. Healthcare is a right, not something only for the wealthy. If insurance companies would stop focusing on profit, they wouldn’t be getting shot at.
You can consider me misguided, but I don’t value your opinion—your opinion isn’t fact.
Even the UHC, probably rhe worst company in the US not including health sharing ministries, is a net positive compared to no health insurance. The large majority of claims get approved, wealth gets redistributed to cover those who need it.
If people don’t want companies making massive profit of off peoples’ sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance. But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.
You have to be fucking kidding me 😂
net positive compared to no health insurance
Let me stop you right there. Health insurance is a blight on humanity. They do NOT provide healthcare. We have invented the need for insurance, the need for an intermediary who does not have medical expertise or training to be involved in decisions about healthcare. This is not a net positive in any way. A single denied claim makes it a negative. The millions of deaths caused by insurance companies were largely preventable. For everyone keeping score at home, that does appear to me to be what we call a “net negative”, unless they provide some incredible benefit that somehow wipes that all away.
If people don’t want companies making massive profit of off peoples’ sickness and debts then there is a political party with that stance
[Citation needed]
But the US en masse keeps choosing suffering, choosing to create CEOs like Brian.
What a fucking heartless statement of victim blaming. You appear to have no intersectional understanding, and no awareness of the actual reality faced by a large majority of USians.
You’re disconnected from humanity.
The reason private health care exists is because of greed. Most of the world has moved on to socialized healthcare of some sort. Americans have been programmed their whole lives to say “something is better than nothing.”
You’re blaming the people for not having better politicians? Which people? The people 60 years ago, who really are the ones that set the course we are on?
And you call me misguided? Who guided you into apathetically accepting that greed is the norm?
Whoever killed that Deathcare CEO had a positive impact, then billionaires spent a lot of time and money to try to turn the narrative. Note there were a lot of conservatives that werent against it until they watched a week and a half of propaganda to find out what they believed again. I think it showed a few people that the healthcare system is flawed, and clearly the justice system is. Was it 300 million, no. Was it 3 million, maybe. Even if 1% learned something from it, I’d say that’s huge for a population this late in the capitalism game
UHC is as shit today as it was before. Even their aneasthesia coverage changes was basically the day after meaning they already planned the reversal beforehand.
The Republicans who appreciate Luigi are still going to vote against fixing Healthcare next election. Nobody learned any lessons.
That wasn’t even UHC 😂
I hope you get better
I hope you get better at trolling lmao
Can’t wait to see footage of him melting down in a cell.
No ketamine. No hand servants. Nobody listening to his threats.
He will be granted bond and, being rich, bond out almost immediately after any booking. Unless the judge has balls enough to not grant bond, which is doubtful, he’s gonna be there all of a couple hours.
Just make no grugs or alcohol part of his bond conditions. He’ll break that pretty quick and give the judge even more leverage to lock him up, even if temporarily
Ok, so apparently you have no clue how the justice system works.
See, the first thing that they check is the size of your net worth. Musk gets the platinum tier. Which basically means he gets to do what he wants while his laywers hire lawyers who’s junior associates actually do the work. And despite them being a huge flight risk due to having private planes, boats, and all-but-unlimited resources at their disposal, they’re given the most lenient, unsupervised release conditions.
It’s also important to note that those on that level get the privilege of being able to ignore bail conditions, court orders, or other restrictions a minimum of ten times. And after that, the judge threatens to hold hearings asking him why they shouldn’t hold more hearings discussing the possibility of imposing monetary fines that are the equivalent of couch cushion change as a punishment. Members of the platinum tier aren’t subject to consequences that are typically reserved for lower tiers. At Gold, they can threaten you with it without actually imposing it. At platinum, they don’t even bother doing that.
And in the rare case that actual punishments are imposed on them, they get to remain free for a time to “get their affairs in order” and often also get to arrange the terms of their own incarceration, such as when they’ll surrender to custody, serving only on weekends or evenings, or even “house arrest” (legalspeak for “no punishment at all, but we’ll pretend it is”). They are often also allowed to remain free during the appeals process, which they have the opportunity to drag out indefinitely.
Few on the platinum tier even have to suffer the indignity of having to walk inside a courtroom, much less a jail cell.
I understand that you were looking at our court system from the point of view of one of us filthy commoners. I’m just here to clear up any misconceptions and make sure you understand that the US government considers people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump more equal than you and deserving of a justice system that caters towards giving them the little extras in life that they obviously deserve because they were born rich. If you don’t like being one of the poors, try being born rich next time.
I suppose I should have put a /s tag on my comment
Democratic Governors need to start flexing some power ASAP.
If this arrest doesn’t happen, democracy is one step closer to the grave.
A lot of shit has happened to destroy democracy so far (has anyone been keeping a list?), but if billionaires see that they can now buy votes, nothing will stop them from doing it over and over again. We will be Russia.
Democracy is not a step closer to the grave, it’s already dead, just not buried and so now it’s lying on the street , smelling funny and a tad off-colour.
and its becoming blatant and bold
Muskrat isn’t doing this for any other reason other than to test and expand the boundaries. It’s challenging the American people … if he can go this far and allowed to get away with it, then it will become the norm. The fault won’t be that he is doing it … the fault will be the American people who put up with this crap.
I’ve given up on trying to understand dumb American politicians … I’m completely disillusioned and lost hope in the American people.
It’s not a small group of billionaires that will destroy democracy in America … it will be an entire nation of people who just stand aside and watch everything burn without saying or doing a thing about it.
I’ve given up on trying to understand dumb American politicians
It’s easy. They are cowards, and they are for sale. If money doesn’t make them snap to attention, threats will. I also think a healthy percentage of them have been to Russia, and those are being blackmailed.
At this point democracy is so far underground that only a Level 17 necronancer can resurrect it
I’ll probably get called a commie but at it’s core, is this version of democracy working well? I’m all for equal rights but if the majority of people are incapable of understanding what it takes to run a nation, how do we trust them to vote someone in who will be a good leader?
If it wasn’t evident enough during his first campaign that he has no interest in enriching the lives of the average american, his first 4 years in office should have proven he is not trying to help out the blue collar class, if Jan 6 wasn’t enough to show he is not a level headed leader then what will? If his second term starting off with trying to start trade wars wasn’t enough, then at what point are we going to realize an overwhelming amount of people are always going to vote for terrible candidates?
I’m having trouble reasoning to myself that the current system is capable of bringing progress. It’s just constant flipping between a couple parties undoing what the previous administration did, how is this a good thing?
Even then the DM is gonna hit us with a bullshit counterspell
Silvery Barbs (shoved up his ass) is our only hope.
That’s like homebrew lvl 25 shit!
It isn’t gonna happen. Nothing happened to Trump, nothing will happen to Musk. Too rich, too powerful. Justice is only for the pariahs.
Brian Thompson was rich and powerful too, before he got Luigi’d.
That was a case of civilian, extrajudicial sentencing. Nothing to do with the justice system.
I’m at the point where I know he won’t face consequences because he’s rich. But an arrest and trial would at least be sanity.
But an arrest and trial would
be an absolute pony show ending with no conviction.
We only have a criminal justice system for the poors. If you want justice for people like Musk, vigilante is the only option.
Unless…hear me out…he fucks up the comfort zone of the other rich bastards.
He’s richer.
Heck, he’s richer than a lot of them combined.
Caesar was more powerful than the whole Senate
Ken McElroy could beat up, rape, threaten and rob anyone in town until he couldn’t anymore.
Not for long
Why don’t the poor people just pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Then they too would be rich /s
Trump already announced he plans to prosecute anyone trying to enforce the Hatch Act.
The Hatch Act is what makes this illegal.
Prosecute for what, exactly?
“Whoops, the judge ordered us to release them because we did not actually charge them, but they’re already in an El Salvador prison 🤷♀️”
You’re asking that like a dictator needs a legal byline for his actions.
If this arrest doesn’t happen, democracy is one step closer to the grave.
Worry not, most Americans are bravely waiting until they have no options left and literally living in squalor before considering any action
In the last 8+ years I have seen the goal post for action moved so many times, I have lost all hope Americans will actually do something for themselves
I guess you won’t make fun of French people anymore
Your ten thousand foot view is very limited.
A lot of people strongly believe that God will protect them from whatever terrible Biblical punishments are going to befall the Liberals, Minorities, and Gays. They seem to forget that the Divine Retribution they are praying for so hard always carries enormous collateral damage. SEE: Ark, Noah’s, also Sodom/Gommorah, also Plagues, Egyptian, etc.
Also, the people who think like this, are actually being evil, so their belief brings their own doom. TLDR: If you’re a cunt who sits back and revels in the suffering of those you don’t like, you aint going to heaven…
I have seen the goal post for action moved so many times
Yes. I have too. I honestly think I’ve moved my own goal posts for action, as well. I think most of the people like me feel truly lost about what to do. We need a Martin Luther King, Jr figure to unite and direct.
I guess you won’t make fun of French people anymore
It’s stupid now but it was already stupid when they did it before, so I don’t why that would change
I have over 100 tabs open on my phone waiting to go into a document
Brilliant! I’d love to see the finished list when it’s done.
I mean, I’d love for it not to have to exist, but here we are.
