How long will I have to drag out this meme? It’s April…
And now we have someone that is both genocidal AND ultra-fascist. Great job.
Keep trashing them, that will bring em over.
I’m not going to blame the 3rd party voters. At least they voted.
Put your anger towards those who couldn’t even be bothered to do so.
Put your anger towards those who couldn’t even be bothered to do so.
Why? The election was won and lost in swing states, and voter turnout in swing states was roughly the same in 2024 and 2020.
3rd party voter here. Let’s stop hating fellow poors and collectively hate the rich and powerful who are really responsible
Nah, fuck the MAGA folks.
Except those ones, hate the shit out of Nazis of course. Maga or otherwise
Wow, all those third-party voters are really grumpy in these comments.
Someone: “I voted for what I belive in, which one of course should be able to do in a well functioning democracy”
Lemmy: “Nooooo you gotta vote for this one and only option, it’s the only way to protect our democracy (???)”
Guys the third party voters is not the problem, the two party system is. Come on. Voting third party or is a valid and important statement. Voting major party is legitimising an undemocratic system.
Riot against your government on the streets. That’s where you make the big difference - not in the voting booth.
Fine, then riot in the streets with a Democrat in office instead of the racist bigoted nation destoyer.
Name checks out
This is so true, especially since the Democatic party does the same things the GOP does, just a little more civil. The Biden admin sent bombs to Israel, persecuted striking workers and refused to codify Roe vs. Wade (amongst a ton of other things). Both parties are bought by billionaires and act in their interest, I don’t get how anyone could justify voting dems over third party
Are we really still doing this?
Honestly it seems like liberals hate their own base more than the reactionaries they are supposedly the opposition to
Actually that tracks, since most of the DNC has been flirting with reactionary commentators and billionaires while actively criticizing the one part of their party actually building momentum
No. It’s the wedge throwing SatansMaggotyCumFart’s post. They love dividing the left.
It’s just good praxis when you divide the electorate and usher in a fascist regime that will kill millions, but ‘divisive’ when you criticize that?
Too bad you didn’t participate when a vote was all that was needed. It’s going to take a lot more than that now.
“Voting isn’t enough!” mfers doing nothing that substantiates change now that fascism is literally in the driver’s seat.
Thanks. Me and everyone else who’s going to fucking die under this administration thank you for your immeasurable left purity.
So exactly what amount of criticism will overthrow a fascist regime? I can say with certainty that more votes would have prevented one from taking over. The arrogance is astounding.
Considering that the core message of “The LIBS are too IMPURE to be worth allying with, even to stop fascism!”, it may be that this attitude has wider implications than just in the last election. Maybe cultivating fascist-enabling attitudes has fascist-enabling consequences?
No, of course not. How silly of me. It’s just the one time, the 2024 election, wherein fascist-enabling attitudes had fascist-enabling consequences. Next time it’ll be fine.
The attitude criticized here is the same attitude that would’ve decried the Sovs and Western Allies teaming up to fight the literal fucking Nazis.
The attitude criticized here is the same attitude that would’ve decried the Sovs and Western Allies teaming up to fight the literal fucking Nazis
Red fascist apologia, how surprising. But who cares about Polish or Baltic sovereignty? You have
imperialism‘power politics’ to play defense for, right?who cares about Polish or Baltic sovereignty?
Certainly not the French of British
Who said it was just the one time? Welcome to FPTP elections. We get two choices, neither is ideal. You vote for the lesser of two evils, or you accept the greater to lead the nation. It’s a horrible system, but you’re smart enough to know how it works.
The attitude here is quite literally the opposite. Your arrogance is deporting innocent people to El Salvador. Your pride is taking food and medicine from the needy. Your self-righteousness is building a billionaire resort in Gaza. Can you not see it from your high horse?
… are we talking past each other? Because right now, it sounds like you’re making the same point I am.
My bad. I just reread the thread and it seems you’re right. I really should get some coffee before I start typing. Lol
I swear to God it’s the same 5 accounts on Lemmy posting this horse-shit take.
Like - all the third party voters combined would not have kept Trump out of office. Give it up. It’s nonsense and frankly pretty sad.
Yeah, I’m pretty set on blaming anyone that voted for Trump. I do get annoyed by people that voted third party or just not at all, but its not their fault by any means. Even though the latter combined would have made a difference, it was republican states that withheld hundreds of thousands from the ability to vote, and that mixed with people that voted for the Republicans cutting voting rights are the source of the problem.
I sorta disagree.
I think the campaign used to push people third party encouraged others to just not vote.
Even IF that’s true it’s still terrible. What do you think? You’re gonna chastise people into agreeing with you? Is some “holier-than-though” attitude gonna do it?
Really just seems like a circlejerk
Even IF that’s true it’s still terrible. What do you think? You’re gonna chastise people into agreeing with you?
Reminding everyone that being a Nazi supporter is, in fact, bad, is good practice. That exact mindset of “Never be mean to anyone who supports fascism 🥺” is half the fucking reason that fascism got mainstreamed in this country. People sitting on the fence are more likely to shy away from something that is thoroughly condemned than something that gets a “Well, your support of shipping undesirables to death camps is a Respectable Position, let’s agree to disagree 😊”
I’m talking about people who otherwise mostly agree with you can we not be obtuse?
No they can’t not be obtuse, during the election this user and disguyovahere both were going on and on about how the left is the problem for criticizing the dems for their innmuerable terrible decisions that got us here. But no, it’s the voters fault, many of us whom have grittered their teeth and voted Dem for years as they continued to be ineffectual and handed our country to the fucking fascists
If someone who “Mostly agrees” with me thinks “Let fascism win” is a viable course of action because of some fucking accelerationist fantasy, they are, in practical terms, not really much less of an enemy than people who mostly disagree with me.
Fuck man, millions are projected to die just from USAID’s defunding. Thousands more will die in Ukraine and Palestine from the Trump admin’s fuckery. They’re setting up concentration camps and illegally (yes, illegal even under the rather permissive anti-immigration laws of the US as they stand now) deporting people to black sites in foreign countries and then saying they can’t bring them back, even if it is a mistake. When Medicaid expansion is rolled back, as looks pretty fucking possible, I, personally, will be living life on a very brief timer.
People who sat back and smugly said “Well, both sides are the same, I’m going to work against the anti-fascist candidate” are no allies of anything except fascism, regardless of how left-wing they profess to be or how many individual issues they agree with me on.
No I’m just saying people who think protest voting or throwing your vote away is ever smart, this is proof it isn’t.
This really entirely could’ve been avoided and this was one of the steps in a stairwell of bullshit that could’ve stopped it all
I voted for myself
I voted for Kodos
It’s the two party system in a post. Don’t worry, your democracy is dead either way. Whether engaging in TPS or ignoring it for a fart in a blizzard vote, it’s all far too late.
Pointless statements from liberals who are too busy trying to find someone to blame to do anything useful about the galloping fascism in their midst.
Luckily the millions of protest nonvoters are taking action to stop this fucked situation.
Right?
Oh, no, wait, people like me are fucked because it was never anything other than posing for purity points with your online friends.
And if we have actual elections in 2028, none of you will learn a goddamn thing.
I’m less worried about the voters than the party that tries to appeal to its opposition rather than its own base. The Democrats deliberately threw the election again, imo.
It’s wild that they’re angry at people for not wanting to be complicit w a genocide rather than the people who forced us to choose between 2 genociders or even the genociders themselves.
Yeah. its like there were two choices and everything that has happened so far was predicted over and over and STILL people voted for a lotto win vs stopping the worst case. Given the international meddling, it makes the clueless gits more hapless.
there were more than two choices and everyone predicted that repeatedly choosing the lesser evil will lead to this and here we are.
There are not more than two choices in a FPTP voting system.
there are third parties and independents and mexico & sheinbaum prove are viable once you stop drinking the 2-party kool aide
Fuck you people for opening the barn door. We’re sick of cleaning up your mess.
Seriously. Same old useless shit as always.
Obviously the solution is for more people to vote third party
Not without an elimination of FPTP ya don’t.
Mexico & Sheinbaum prove that this is not true
Actually, having a progressive party and a conservative party would be far better than having a conservative party and fascist party.
Correct, but there are obstacles to getting there, including FPTP.
Lol and you and I voting third party leads to that outcome how exactly?
Of all the terrible things happening, I think it’s people’s hopelessly terrible understanding of politics that makes me the most depressed right now.
That wall of idealism is great if you could get it into the minds and hearts of the majority of voters. I tried myself, back in the late 90s. Seeing Bush win after I stumped for Nader was a sobering wake up call. Can you imagine the guilt I felt protesting Bush’s blood for oil wars knowing that I actively disengaged people from voting for Gore?
FPTP is in control. We are not. We get two choices. Anything else is equivalent to abstention.
Big changes requires idealism. Will it happen? I don’t know, but I’m just saying these are the strategies that I can see being at least possible.
Do you know what’s far more possible? Engaging more than 20% attendance in congressional primary elections to replace the centrist Democrats with progressives.
That’s literally one of the strategies I mentioned.
If enough people vote third party than they are voting for a major party again.
