Nuance, undertones, rhetorical questions may as well as not exist for some of these good fellows. I must remind myself that even though someone (many someones) might lack in this department, that doesn’t mean they aren’t brighter than me in many other things.
I am curious though. How, if you are aware of this, do you watch spy, palace intrigue, double agent, psychological movies? Isn’t it detrimental to fully enjoy the acting and reading actors expressions and nuances? I guess you wouldn’t be aware that you are missing full experience?
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It’s not about me by the way, it is from the perspective of a spectator, a lurker and not about me receiving some kind of response.
Tell me this, what do you understand from this:
- fuck trump
- fuck trump
It looks the same right? And now:
- fuck trump!
- FuCk TrUmP
Somepeople will read this and understand that the first is an insult towards trump, and the second is sarcasm that might be making fun of trump haters.
Text lacks the complexity of vocal speech, no volume, no pitch, no pauses or tonal changes, nothing. We can mitigate it by using different tools such as the upper and lpwer case in unconventional ways, we can use fonts and bold and color and emoji, etc. But this demends effort, sometimes more effort than the actual writing, so people don’t do it.
OP, you suck and you are an idiot.
Was I sarcastic?
Yes, I have nothing against you.
Context is everything.
No, I haven’t noticed it
It’s not a Lemmy thing, it’s an Internet thing.
Truth be told, irony, sarcasm and nuance, are quite hard to do in a text format without being explicit. Hell, that’s the main reason emojis exist, to replace the facial gestures and tone of voice we use to cue each other in on subtle aspects of language like sarcasm.
A lot of irony is supposed to be deadpan anyway (e.g. something like okmatewanker is pretty heavily ironic), but I get people not picking it up because they’re not in the same cultural context. Sarcasm tags make sense because sarcasm is about tone of voice, but a lot of people suggest them inappropriately as sarcasm is more caustic. It’s like telling people they should be offended at your tone!
Got some example for ya from my latest lurking tho I failed to lurk this time and may get dragged into some keyboard warfare (never do this)
https://lemm.ee/post/61047031/19626665
Look at this person I reply to talking something about entitlement misunderstanding everything as much as you can. This is routine
Of course this can be a bad actor in this example but there are so many of these misunderstandings in various contexts that it is painful to read the comments a lot of times
I’m with e8d79 on that one. Whatever your intent when posting the original message, the way it reads is tone deaf at best and entitled at worst.
I mean it’s not just a lemmy thing it’s an internet thing, but mostly common in places people don’t know the autor very well and the autor decides to not use any form of indication they are using sarcasm.
Sarcasm and rethoric questions rely heavily on human conection and being able to read tonal shifts or gestures of the speaker. You don’t have any of that on the internet.
Yes, you can take the absurdity of some claims as an indicator some people might be using sarcasm… Then again you look what is happening world wide, and some of the absurdities being said cannot be taken as someone taking the piss but much rather hey this unknown person might hold this believes.
So when writing and wanting to use sarcasm please be classy enough to leave a clue that it’s sarcasm by using an /s as ☠️ or writting in italics.
I manage to get people on the web just fine somehow.
Yet still I must observe other people misunderstanding each other and painfully not getting it every second browsed comment.This problem doesn’t exist in some places on the web that are less civilised and less safe spacey for some reason.
I mean I wouldn’t say they are smarter but in this single aspect maybe they are. It’s painful to say that some 9gag or worse users are more verbally apt
I am not going to hang out in such places. Maybe tumblr if anything. It is pretty witty. Not much text but overall tumblr users seem smooth
Not everyone speaks English as a first language here. What is obvious to you, isn’t obvious to everyone.
English isn’t my first language
It isn’t even lemmy. I see it all the time everywhere just lurking and I wanna pluck my eyes out sometimes
Fuck dude, we’re all autistic.
Seriously, and with no offense meant, I think there is a significantly higher than normal concentration of people on the spectrum here. A lot of conversations I see show the hallmarks.
All of these comments are thoughtful and substantive.
But none of them consider the fact that some people are just plain oblivious.
You know, morons.
even though it’s better than a lot of other platforms, it’s still social media and still ruins some people’s ability to communicate the same way.
You’re surprised that a lot of the users of a niche, techy social media platform are autistic?
Yes, and it’s really annoying.
I’d say its mostly sample size. Lemmy is still small. The ever so slightly off feeling interactions have a higher chance of getting noticed because they dont get buried under hundreds or even thousands of other posts most of the time. So its pretty easy to come across discussion threads which werent upvoted by the hivemind for beeing ‘normal’.
You’re on an alternate social media service, which basically caters to the tech-savvy. Most of us are on the spectrum one way or another. Sarcasm and tone are hard to identify in text.
Well I’m autistic so I miss like half the shit normies try to convey. Maybe we’re not as small of a minority as I had previously thought…
There’s a LOT of autistic people on lemmy. Way more than the average distribution in real life.
Does normie in this context mean not autistic…?
You’re on the internet…
Am I now? I thought I was making a speech to my fleet of autonomous robots in private.
Has any of this gotten out?I believe this
I know
