“This is really going to impact institutions that we take for granted,” Internet Archive director of archiving and data services Jefferson Bailey told the Standard, “like our museums, our historical societies, our public libraries, our academic libraries — just a lot of people that keep information free and accessible and online.”
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Musk should really be removed from power.
Vacation to El Salvador. Permanent.
Isn’t it weird how “doge” just goes after anything that actually benefits people?
Oh gosh Internet archive saw a lot of shit but continued their work no mater what, I got most of old ROMs there its a great digital museum but wrong people in wrong places of power will ruin every beneficial things out there.
He is such a poser.
They used to burn books. Now they just defund information storage services.
You know what is so ironic? I remember not that long ago (OK, like 20 years ago…) that once something was on the internet, it is there forever as long as file sharing and multiple hosts do it… but it has become abundantly clearly that, despite the fact that it can be REALLY hard to get shit off the internet, it doesn’t make it impossible. We’ve already seen it happen. The truth is, there is so much stuff that people DON’T widely share, and even then, the interest in their sharing in a torrent style is limited (I once downloaded leaked emails regarding transphobic propagandists talking to one another and while I kept seeding for almost a year, I barely got anyone downloading), that it is actually possible to make large amounts of stuff just vanish.
I’ve seen several examples of things wiped before, so I’ve always been a bit skeptical of that adage. I’ve seen several niche forums, or even forums of small newspapers - just go completely offline.
It might be these are still sitting around on backups somewhere and will some day come to light and be hosted by some entity in an open format…
I think the real point of the adage, “once it’s on the internet it’s there forever” is more about the fact that you, personally, can’t take it back. Someone might of screenshot, downloaded it, reuploaded it elsewhere. The real meaning being that, once it’s on the internet, you no longer control it. Which I think still holds true, but it definitely was heavily implied that it would be there forever.
Yes, the trouble with archiving is knowing what will be important in the future, rather than just popular now. We saved a lot of games from the 80’s through 2000’s through piracy, because they were popular to pass around, but we lost a most of the early web because no one thought it would disappear until the internet archive came along.
What a time to be alive. It’s like Ancient Rome has entered the peaceful minecraft nature server.
Genuinely thought that his shirt read “kech support”
Honest question…Can we just pop all that on a server in Canada or something? Couldn’t the devs make a deal with another country not bound by your IP law or “government” to save your history along with that of other countries as well?
I’m gonna ask my MP as well.
Canada is another country that claim to be cool but if there are image of burning kids from Gaza or reference to Israel genocide or war crimes they will delete the data themselves.
Best approach would be a decentralized archive.
The author of archive box makes a very strong case for the need for both decentralized and centralized archives like the internet archive: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-changelog-software-development-open-source/id341623264?i=1000678444105
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, until there is any actual examples of Canada banning images. Even in this case, it’s a loss of public funding rather than blocking. The internet archive is mostly privately funded.
I’m Canadian and I fully agree. Having the discussion on how to protect history is important as we know. That’s just what first came to mind. I am also no tech wizard. Just an old man with ideas.
lemmy.world
Why, where is lemmy.world based?
Meaning the entire Internet archive.
$345,000?
That’s like, 2 devs and an 8 CPU VM.
That’s 1/100th the price Trump paid to send innocent people to CECOT.
This publicity will probably bring in more money for the internet archive than what was cut.
Still a dick move by musk, but I’m glad it’s not an existential threat to the project.
For a bit.
Public institutions need and deserve public funding.
Holy shit, that’s like not even a rounding error to the US Government. So obvious what he is doing.
It’s trully disgusting and inexcusable.
Extremists always destroy history so they can write their own.
I doubt the Library of Alexandria had permission from all rights holders to hold copies of many books. /s
Recent inconvinient history. They love to dig up ancient “glory days” (e.g., Ancient Rome, Teutonic knights…) and attach them to their image.
They’re not meticulous historians though. LGBTQ people were more accepted in the Roman Republic (and in ancient Greek) than today.
“Caius Julius Caesar: husband to all the wives, wife to all the husbands.” was a saying that my Latin professor taught us in school.
They’re not meticulous historians though. LGBTQ people were more accepted in the Roman Republic (and in ancient Greek) than today.
“Caius Julius Caesar: husband to all the wives, wife to all the husbands.” was a saying that my Latin professor taught us in school.
Being AMAB and bottom was stigmatized to the point their swearing system revolved around emasculation threats, so that’s different from what the queer movement of today aims for…
Being bottom was really only stigmatized if you were bottoming for a social inferior.
Giving a woman head was more “gay”/stigmatized than taking it up the bum, unless maybe it was a slave penetrating you.
There’s no room or recognition for lesbians really. Trans issues are a tangled web, as they always are.
Our swearing system in modern English revolves around sex, violence and infidelity, but our society is also kinda into those things. Societies are complicated.
Edit: also sometimes people still say shit about bottoms when they curse.
I agree that it should not be the goal for any modern civilization to copy Rome. They were not a just society, they had slavery for starters, but Roman citizens enjoyed a lot of personal liberty. If you were dirt poor you would not even have the time for a “nonproductive” relationship, if you’ll excuse my expression. Kids were a resource more than a cost.
I’m not an expert but I think “stigmatized” is too strong a word in this context, I’m sure they did joke around if a rumour or a hunch was spread about a person’s romantic affairs by the people who hated them for their success or by their enemies, I’m not sure they really cared that much otherwise. Of course before the christian emperors came along.
I am not now, nor have I ever been a Christian, but shit like this makes me go Jesus Fucking Christ.
Archive.org is a critical repository of knowledge and archiving the internet. Elon has cut nothing, but damaged a ton. It is kinda incredible how many damage he has done.
Best $100 I ever spent.
You are far more generous and capable than I am. I started a monthly 5 dollar donation.
Elon Musk is what you’d get if you gave the illusion of personality to a 4Chan troll.
Elon Musk is what you get when “it is not a phase mom” is a credo.
He’s the poster child for scared, greedy, paranoid nepo babies shielded from reality by wealth inheritance and wealth inequality, incapable of empathy turning him into a fascist bigot idiot trying to kill other people to hoard more money.
Like those villains that are made of million of insects, each cell in Musk’s body is a 4chan troll.
Oooooh I like that idea. Horrific imagery, but clever.
Both the Internet Archive and Wikipedia are really important. I guess the way is to make alternatives or datahoard in these difficult times.
Why make alternatives when these fantastic organizations already exist? It’s not the first time they’ve come under fire and it definitely won’t be the last.
If vandalous cunts like Musk wish for them to go away and will de-fund them to that end, best thing we can do is donate to them and spread the word they need help.
I think that if we work together as people we can achieve more than just a couple of good organizations that can fade. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t donate to Wikipedia or Internet Archive. The goal isn’t to compete, it isn’t a business. Just to make things stronger.
Why make alternatives when these fantastic organizations already exist? It’s not the first time they’ve come under fire and it definitely won’t be the last.
You’ve answered your own question: because one day they might not take the fire and collapse. It’s like saying it’s not the first time your old HDD has been showing bad sectors and definitely won’t be the last. That’s all the more reason to make a backup!
I agree with you that we should donate to them and make them more people-funded, but ideally you want that taken care of through public funding coming out of taxes. You can’t just sustain every single entity through individual donations.
Downloading and accessing Wikipedia offline through Kiwix is actually pretty easy.
How does it work? Does it download all Wikipedia or any other website I point it to (like Project Gutenberg as it says on the website) pages or does it download it when I access the page?
You get a .zim file that is either just text on the pages or text + pictures. One I have is like 109GB~ w/ pictures. There’s many others to choose from as well I believe not just the ones I mentioned
Oh god. I’m gonna need more storage
Trying to burn digital books. Fascism in 2025.
Double plus ungood
