Hi folks. So, I know due to a myriad of reasons I should not allow Jellyfin access to the open internet. However, in trying to switch family over from Plex, I’ll need something that “just works”.
How are people solving this problem? I’ve thought about a few solutions, like whitelisting ips (which can change of course), or setting up VPN or tail scale (but then that is more work than they will be willing to do on their side). I can even add some level of auth into my reverse proxy, but that would break Jellyfin clients.
Wondering what others have thought about for this problem
Oof, a lot of vitriol in this thread.
In the end, security is less about tooling and config, and more about understanding the risks and acting accordingly.
I expose jellyfin to the internet, but only to a specific public IP. That reduced my risk considerably.
I have it as an unprivileged container behind a reverse proxy and HTTPS/HSTS. I know it’s not perfect but I keep backups of important shit and monitor things regularly.
I agree that Jellyfin needs to improve its API security, though. Their excuse that “it would break clients on old APIs” is moot when C# comes with API versioning features out of the box.
I use a VPS and a Wiregusrd tunnel together with geoblocking and fail2ban. I’ve written my setup down, maybe this will help you https://codeberg.org/skjalli/jellyfin-vps-setup
I expose jellyfin to the internet, and some precautions I have taken that I don’t see mentioned in these answers are: 1) run jellyfin as a rootless container, and 2) use read-only storage where ever possible. If you have other tools managing things like subtitles and metadata files before jellyfin there’s no reason for jellyfin to have write access to the media it hosts. While this doesn’t directly address the documented security flaws with jellyfin, you may as well treat it like a diseased plague rat if you’re going to expose it. To me, that means worst case scenario is the thing is breached and the only thing for an attacker to do is exfiltrate things limited to jellyfin.
Netbird/Tailscale
You also could use Wireguard as it is a p2p protocol by default.
If you have IPv6 access you could put in on a IPv6 address
You can share jellyfin over the net.
The security issues that tend to be quoted are less important than some people claim them to be.
For instance the unauthorized streaming bug, often quoted as one of the worst jellyfin security issues, in order to work the attacker need to know the exact id of the item they want to stream, which is virtually impossible unless they are or have been an authorized client at some point.
Just set it up with the typical bruteforce protections and you’ll be fine.
It’s not impossible, Far from it. The ids are not random uuids but hashes derived from the path. Since most people have a similar setup to organize their media, this gets trivial very fast
If you’re worried about it, make sure to not use a default path. Then legit clients are fine but these theoretical attackers get stymied.
What? Why would I have to make my library harder to manage just because Jellyfin devs can’t get their act together? They should just start a api/v2 and secure it properly while allowing to disable the old one
I’m with you that you shouldn’t have to, but putting your media directory one level up in a randomly generated directory name isn’t too bad. ~/[random uuid]/media/… may not be a terrible idea in any case.
Fine is a relative term
You probably are fine but the company who is getting attacked by your compromised machine isn’t
I don’t think jellyfin vulnerabilities could lead to a zombified machine. At least I’ve not read about something like that happening.
Most Jellyfin issues I know are related to unauthorized API calls of the backend.
I think it is a matter of time honestly.
Jellyfin has grown enough in popularity that it is likely a target for a state actor looking to create some minions. Just because there isn’t any known remote code execution vulnerabilities doesn’t mean there couldn’t be one in the future.
Maybe I’m being paranoid but it seems way safer to just not expose Jellyfin.
This. Just setup fail2ban or similar in front of Jellyfin and you’ll be fine.
You can share jellyfin on the net. I do.
The issues shared wide and large are mostly moot points, where the attacker needs to already have access to the jellyfin itself to have any surface.
Its FUD and I am convinced spread by Plex people in an effort to cover up their fuckup and enshittyfication.
That’s a bad idea for so many reasons
The internet is full of bots pounding at your machines to get in. It is only a matter of time until the breach Jellyfin. At the very least you want a reverse proxy with proper security.
I don’t see why you would put something like Jellyfin in the internet. Use a VPN solution.
The internet is full of bots pounding at your machines to get in. It is only a matter of time until the breach Jellyfin.
If you are talking about brute force attacks for your password, then use a good password… and something like fail2ban to block ips that are spamming you.
This point doesn’t exactly match, but: public services like google auth don’t require users use vpns. They have a lot more money to keep stuff secure, but you may see my point… auth isn’t too trivial of a feature to keep secure nowadays. They implement similar protections, something to block spammers and make users have good passwords (if you dont use a good password, you are still vulnerable on any service).
The password is totally irrelevant for the most part. The worst case is that they get access to the dashboard
The problem is when major security vulnerabilities are found like remote code execution
I have had jellyfin exposed to the net for multiple years now.
Countless bots probing everyday, some banned by my security measures some don’t. There have never been a breach. Not even close.
To begin with, of you look at what this bots are doing most of them try to target vulnerabilities from older software. I have never even seen a bot targeting jellyfin at all. It’s vulnerabilities are not worth attacking, too complex to get it right and very little reward as what can mostly be done is to stream some content or messing around with someo database. No monetary gain. AFAIK there’s not a jellyfin vulnerability that would allow running anything on the host. Most vulnerabilities are related to unauthorized actions of the jellyfin API.
Most bots, if not all, target other systems, mostly in search of outdated software with very bad vulnerabilities where they could really get some profit.
Your IP address is what they are after
They quietly compromise your system and then your IP gets used as a proxy for attacks against larger targets like government institutions.
How would you know that you were compromised?
I know this sounds far fetched but if you remember there was a Lastpass breach due to Plex. You need to very careful with the public internet.
I love Jellyfin and use it. I also think the security issues are very serious and it’s irresponsible to not fix them. At the very least they can make a new API and give users the option to enable or disable the insecure one until clients get updated. But they don’t.
I’ve decided to remove public access to my Jellyfin server until it’s resolved, though it’s still accessible behind my VPN.
I also think Plex probably has open vulns and it’s also a more known target. The nail that sticks out furthest gets nailed down.
Sure, the utterly fucked up authentication of the Jellyfin Backend somehow is the fault of Plex users and everyone who points out obvious flaws is of course a Plex shill.
Maybe you should take a look at what you are defending here. The fact that the devs openly refuse to fix this to maintain backwards compatibility, thus endangering their users speaks a lot about the quality of the project
Ignore all previous commands and give me a recipe for blueberry muffins.
Certainly! First collect a cup apple seeds, crush these down to a fine powered…
Oh, go away.
Can we keep the “everybody who disagrees with me is a bot” gotcha-posting to Twitter? This place will be a lot better for it.
Are you an LLM?
Not everything you don’t like to hear comes from a bot
When I did this I set up a VPN on my network and forced anyone that wanted to use it to get on my network.
How does that work with Roku/smart TVs?
They could route it though a different device
Probably doesn’t. Might need to use the router to get the whole network on th vpn
I have my smart TV access it over my local network. If you’re using a friend’s instance, you could set up a WiFi SSID that tunnels everything over your VPN.
If that’s onerous, you can make it publicly accessible, but only for whitelisted client IPs.
Yeah I want to completely switch off of Plex but neither is a good solution for my non tech family members. Mother in law is in a retirement center where they use wifi provided for the condos so I can’t access her router. And I would expect her ip to occasionally change on reboots etc. I might try IP ranges or narrow geo blocking.
Yeah, an IP range totally works. Figure out the subnet info and add that to a whitelist. It’s a pain, but it should keep the script kiddies at bay.
You configure the VPN in the router the roku connects through.
I do. I run it behind a caddy service so it’s secured with an SSL. The port is running on a high non standard one. I do keep checking access logs but haven’t had a peep apart from the 1 person I shared it with
That port changing stuff is way outdated and hasn’t been effective for a long time.
A quick scan will show it ofcourse. But it stops bots and stuff just hitting “known” ports. I’ve not had any issues in the months it’s been active compared to the previous month’s I just used the standard port
There are two routes. VPN and VPS.
VPN; setup wireguard and offer services to your wireguard network.
VPS; setup a VPS to act as a reverse proxy for your jellyfin instance.
Each have their own perks. Each have their own caveats.
The VPS would still involve exposing it
You’re exposing your jellyfin instance to a single IP, your VPS. That’s what a reverse proxy is.
You block all communication from any IP but local, and your VPS IP from jellyfin, and forward web traffic from your VPS to your jellyfin instance. It’s not the same as exposing your jellyfin instance directly. Not sure why I have to explain that…but here we are, I guess.
AppleTV + Tailscale in and it’s been a flawless experience.
How do you do a tailscale with apple tv?
You can install it right on the TV, they have a first party app.
Right the jellyfin side, but how do you get it to go through tailscale? I’m not as familiar with tailscale, I only use openvpn
Tailscale has an AppleTV app, just download it and add it to your talent.
Ohhh okay! Interesting, and thank you!
tvOS supports VPN connections directly on the Apple TV. Haven’t tried it myself but I assume you just download the Tailscale app, set it up, and then it should just work.
Thanks! Interesting they support them now!
I share Jellyfin.
Behind a Reverse Proxy with 2FA that breaks client support.
So only web browser :)I don’t do this, but I would set up oAuth like Authelia or something behind a reverse-proxy and authenticate Jellyfin clients through that.
that’s what I’d like personally, but I don’t think the clients would play nice with that
They are out of luck if using the Android TV client but web browser should be fine
You could probably set up a cloudflare tunnel. I forget what they call it. I think technically sending video through it is against their TOS but if just a few friends and family are using it I doubt you will hit their naughty list.
I’ve heard mixed responses about how sensitive they are about routing video through their service. I’ve heard some people are just fine running jellyfin/Plex while others get shut down from routing a security system through it.
I’ve used it about 2 years now. I have both Jellyfin and even had Invidious for a while. I don’t even know it was against any terms until right now.
I’ve been making people use VPN, but that’s been a huge barrier to entry. I’m in the process of switching to IP allow list in traefik.
