not the suspects
Irrelevant. No one is safe in that nation.
that nation What nation do you live in?
And are you adopting? Asking for…me. I’m asking for me. No lie.
Anyone tries invading my home without a warrant is going to get what they deserve.
Yes but is your skin a bit too dark? Yes? Then deported
How’s everyone feeling about America having Nazi Gestapo and concentration camps?
I feel used to it. We had concentration camps during the FDR admin, and we’ve had gestapo since shortly after 9/11. Trump didn’t turn the US into shit, all he did was smear it on our faces.
I guess, after trying it, I’d have to say nah, not really into it.
Too bad Americans are stupid enough to have to see for themselves before they judge.
Your generalizations, friend, cut me to the quick.
Ah, they robbed them too while they were at it. If they take your shit and give no information on how to get it back, how is it not stolen?
I guess anyone moving to a new address should assume the gestapo can show up whenever they please looking for former residents.
And if they were the “suspects,” it would have been much, much worse. She might have never seen her children again. Not because she did anything wrong or there was anything wrong with her visa, but just because they’d written her name down and decided today was her day.
Now imagine all the other families that have been traumatized by ICE. Are people going to stand up and support one another?
Sure. I’m asking my friends to lawyer up. Not sure what else one can do against police unless you are just going for the old k-d ratio
I’m remodeling.
1 k-d ratio for me please
Trump’s brown shirts terrorizing Americans.
Trump’s brown shirts terrorizing minors in their underwear.
I’m disgusted but I’m not surprised.
Probably high fived each other back at the station.
2a
While defending yourself in a no knock situation could be warranted, we can’t pretend that ICE wouldn’t have then murdered the whole family. You might be able to find a sympathetic judge and jury but that’s not worth much when you and / or people you care about are dead.
That’s assuming they’ll be left in peace after the illegal gestapo raid. Who’s to say that said gestapo’s not going to put them in a truck and send him to a concentration camp in El Salvador. People have no choice but to defend themselves as if ice is at your door they’re going to kill you. Because that’s the implication
Most 2a people want to shoot people without consequence, not defend anyone.
Mate, Ive never wanted a gun for more than pew pew at the range. However, we are at the point where our 2a right to defend ourselves is actually relevant.
There are masked, plainclothes officers abducting people off the street. How do I know that they are within their legal rights?
Trump is approving breaking into peoples houses without a warrant. How do I know they have a legal right to do so?
I’m not trigger happy. If you show me a signed warrant and identify yourself so that I can verify who you are, we got no problems. Otherwise, how do I know you are who you say you are?
Trump is approving breaking into peoples houses without a warrant. How do I know they have a legal right to do so?
That’s simple. They don’t, ever. Unless the 4th amendment has been repealed, all of these raids are illegal.
That’s not going to stop you from being shot or prosecuted if you defend yourself, though.
I was thinking of a custom “Free Bullets with Every Forced Entry” sign.
They had military grade weapons .
Doesn’t “military grade” mean from the cheapest bidder?
So do we
We can’t use fully auto
The agents had a search warrant for the home
if the law is on their side, why are they wearing masks?
No, they had a writ from DHS it was not a valid warrant.
Source? I copied that from the article.
https://www.ilrc.org/sites/default/files/resources/ice_warrants_summary.pdf
DHS issues writs for ICE but since there is no court hearing these cases, there is no warrant that ICE can obtain. The DOJ has said there is no warrant required…which is spurious as that goes against the 4th amendment. ICE will call a writ a warrant, and often journalists will write what they’re told. See these articles regarding a different arrest below
That doesn’t say anything about this case. Given it wasn’t just ICE involved, it’s possible that a judicial warrant was obtained.
Are those even legit anymore? Any idiot judge (or DOGE script kiddie pretending to be one) can sign one.
I’m just responding the the meme asking Police to come back with a warrant
Law enforcement officers have a duty of care. If they execute a no knock warrant at an address that is no longer valid and get shot in the process it is likely there would be no criminal culpability for the homeowner if it’s in a castle doctrine state.
Does lemmy have a sub for badlegaladvice? This comment feels like a prime candidate :)
Wasn’t there an executive order issued today that seemed to imply that wouldn’t matter?
If there was, I didn’t see it but as the Executive will find out if there was, it’s not up to them, it’s up to the Judicial.
The person currently occupying the White House is not a king. Much as he might like to believe otherwise.
I’m a law abiding citizen of the United States. If someone breaks into my home have every reason to believe they’re hostile and won’t hesitate to use deadly force to protect myself and my family.
is not a king
Even if be were called “King” rather than “President”, the Constitution is still a thing. He can call himself whatever, really.
Funny thing is, many citizens of the US seem to have less rights and priviledges than subjects of the UK.
Just as there is no for cops murdering pretty much anyone for anything on the clock. “Standing your ground” to these bastards is plain playing with fire. If you’re not perfectly white and very lucky, you’ll be just signing your own death warrant.
