• Internet Rando@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    6 days ago

    Been farming most my life - and f*ck those guys, let them fail.

    Industrial ag was always built on the premise of a slave labor force, and cannot sustain without it.

    These men, poison their land, strip their topsoils, blame everything else when crops fail and are first in line for some big-daddy socialism, whist decrying anything progressive or sustainable as hippy commie shit.

  • MyOpinion@lemmy.today
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    12 days ago

    Maybe these morons should stop voting to remove their employees. Too smart for these MAGAts.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      11 days ago

      Its truly incredible.

      Their response will just be to fold, to literally sell the farm, and also at the same time never even be cognizant of the fact that they got exactly what they voted for, that Trump repeatedly said he was going to do exactly this, that lefties screamed about Project 2025 and the resounding response was basically ‘pff, he’s just bluffing,’ and then making up a fan fiction version of what Dear Leader will actually do.

      They’re just gonna revert back to the ‘no one wants to work’ mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.

      These idiots didn’t even realize how dependant they were on so many massive subsidy programs untill they poofed out of existence, again, 100% in line with Trump’s platform.

      Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?

      Literally the world’s sole super power 20/30 years ago, and in a single generation we have destroyed ourselves in almost every way possible, short of just nuking ourselves.

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        11 days ago

        they tried it with prisoners already, they arnt doing it because they are already in jail, why work when you have all the ameneties provided for you, and it barely affects your sentence.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          11 days ago

          Dude what? Our Constitution literally allows for us to continue slavery as a punishment. Why the fuck would you ever think they had a choice?

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 days ago

          Much like how it is very easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over the homeless, it is also easy to pass laws and ordinances that fuck over prisoners.

          The US Constitutional + Ammendments explicitly allows slavery as punishment for a crime you’ve been convicted of.

          The Supreme Court has now repeatedly just thrown all prior existing legal case precedent out the window and just made such nakedly hypocritical rulings that its fair to say they are a completely biased and arbitrary institution.

          The rule of law in the US is dead, is a farsical joke.

          Some state will just pass a law that says uh hey, if you’re a prisoner in a facility in our state, and the state has some kind of extraordinary need, we can force you into involuntary labor.

          Then other states will copy this once it passes one state’s court, then in 6 months-ish it’ll get to the Supreme Court who will say yep, checks out, carry on, and then every other red state and half the blue states will do it as well.

          I am not 100% sure this will happen, but it is very, very plausible. 95% sure something like this will happen within 5 to 10 years, possibly less.

          Also… its illegal to be homeless now, and the economy is crashing. Get foreclosed on, can’t pay rent, end up in the streets, living in your car?

          Yep, why not crack down on that like ICE is cracking down on migrants, now you’re convicted of being homeless, the punishment is a few years of forced labor.

      • grue@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        Has any nation in history fucking autolobotomized as hard and as fast as we have?

        Well, the Khmer Rouge killed everybody who wore glasses because they were “intellectuals,” China killed millions trying to force city kids to become farmers during the Cultural Revolution, and I’m pretty sure other autocratic totalitarian governments have fucked themselves in similar ways. Usually when societies become illiberal, people with brains are the first to be put up against the proverbial wall.

      • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk
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        11 days ago

        Just to add a point - if the farmers do end up folding and selling off, who’s going to buy the land? My money would be on large corpos.

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          11 days ago

          Yes, it would 100% be large corpos that more or less run and own many farms that same way large landlords run 10s or 100s or 1000s of apartments / rental homes.

          Sorry, I had thought this was so obvious it didn’t need to be directly stated, but yeah, it’s not a bad idea to be more explicit and more clear.

    • RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com
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      12 days ago

      No no no, they’ll vote for the GOP again, but hope they’ll force inmates or homeless people to work the fields.

  • PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social
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    12 days ago

    What’s funny is the old idea that book nerds know things but farmers do things is a source of pride for farmers.

    The reality is that farmers are just nerds also.

    Yet they think of themselves as something else, like mythical strong men beasts who feed the rest of us useless folks.

    The real strong men are the very immigrants that do the literal toiling while the farmers are basically like mini CEOs by comparison

    Their rejection of the very nerdiness thst gives them their mystique is ironic

    They are smart enough to turn land into food

    But not smart enough to realize how they actually do it

  • CaptDust@sh.itjust.works
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    12 days ago
    • Farmhands deported, can’t find replacements
    • $200k labor grant suspended indefinitely
    • Lost subsidies, making less money on product
    • Tariffs jacked up equipment prices and repairs
    • Depends on Medicaid, no insurance if it’s cut

    Oh boy, way to seriously fuck yourself from every conceivable angle, smart guy. Sumo wrestler lookin leopards after this one.

    • Tja@programming.dev
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      11 days ago

      One more: China puts tariffs on agricultural products specifically, because they know what they’re doing.

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        11 days ago

        Correction: every country has agricultural tarrifs to protect local farmers, except in extreme scenarios where populations are being starved or cannot produce food by themselves.

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          11 days ago

          China put tariffs on us products from states that voted for trump, specially on soy beans IIRC.

    • FoxyFerengi@startrek.website
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      12 days ago

      Add that any products grown for trade are sitting unwanted in fields, or for aid rotting in warehouses because the government canceled the contracts for them. Food is often held in special warehouses where the oxygen is pumped out, but there aren’t enough of those to hold all the excess that was expected to be sent elsewhere

      It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste

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        12 days ago

        It’s a colossal mess, with an incredible amount of waste

        Yes. Yes, he is.

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        12 days ago

        That’s just good old fashioned republican efficiency. These boys better get their bootstraps and figure out which conglomerate they’re gonna sell the farm to.

      • unphazed@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        At least during Covid the farms were transporting food to churches/communities at lower prices. They literally have no one now to pick up the produce. Waiting on farms to start pick your own systems like blueberry farms.

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          10 days ago

          This won’t work for orchards and tree based produce. One idiot falling off a cherry picker will ruin a small farmer

  • Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    11 days ago

    What’s that? Southern states running on cheap labour can’t cope with the loss of that labour? Where have we heard that before?

    Fool me once and all that, but they actually voted for it this time round…

    • FlyingCircus@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      It’s not just Southerners who are the bad guys here. A huge amount of liberals are ecstatic to exploit cheap migrant labor as well.

      • The_v@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        Capitalism exploits cheap labor everywhere around the world. It’s a feature of the system.

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    11 days ago

    It’s almost as if immigrants are a big source of exploitable labor that keeps the wheels of capitalism turning. Who would’ve thought?

  • chunes@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    So much of the argumentation around this topic sounds the south arguing for slavery except it’s liberals arguing for exploitative labor.

      • Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works
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        10 days ago

        There are people who literally shovel congealed fat out of sewers, that’s definitely a shit job.

        They get paid a ridiculous amount though.

    • Zexks@lemmy.world
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      11 days ago

      No this can only be spoken by those in profound ignorance or utter stupidity. There are bad jobs. Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that. There will always be shit jobs.

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        11 days ago

        Go look up sewage cleaner in India. No amount of money is worth that.

        That’s just untrue. There is definitely some amount of money worth it.

        • Liberal_Ghost@lemmy.zip
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          11 days ago

          For sure. If I got paid a million dollars a week I would do it for a couple weeks to then not have to work again the rest of my life lol. But seriously, there are lots of jobs that don’t pay what they should for how crappy the work is

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        11 days ago

        Kind of a bad argument. “Look up sewage cleaner in India” implies that there are sewage cleaners elsewhere with better jobs. Making the problem with being a sewage cleaner in India a bad condition.

        Ironically I agree with you. Some jobs are way better than others, making some jobs bad and some good. A garbage man will always be a worse job than an ice cream taste tester barring absurd caveats. it’s just funny to me that your argument explicitly implies a problem with job conditions.

  • F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    The idea is so badly implemented… you have to raise back Unions and decent salaries, what they expecting is that actual born americans will do the same job for the same shit money that desperate migrants who have absolutely nothing.

    So in essence they want the new slaves to be US born, yeah fuck that.

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        11 days ago

        Fucking right, unions are for the people and any damn company that hates them is against giving people a working wage that gives them a life. PERIOD Fuck anti-union politicians! Power to the people!

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        11 days ago

        I’m a medical student applying for residency this year, and the top program I’m interested in is at the top of my list partially because the residents have a union.

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    11 days ago

    Time for Mexico to pump up its own agriculture to supply the goods that will be needed on the other side of the fence. Labor is plenty now.

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      11 days ago

      Mexico and Canada have been investing in agricultural infrastructure for decades now. The only reason that the U.S. farmer can compete is due to shenanigans in import requirements. Imports are held to a much higher standard than domestic production. It’s why the majority of foodborne outbreaks are from American production.

      American farmers have been conditioned to rely on cheap labor and expensive equipment. There’s been only been minor infrastructure investment since the 1970’s.

      Without government subsidies and cheap labor, the majority of the farmers business models in the us is not sustainable.