Don’t you love it when people say random, illogical bullshit that sounds vaguely sciency and pretends to be deep?
Of course not, I hate jokes
Of course that’s why we use Reddit
If multiverse theory was true and infinite, there would be a universe where someone figured out how to destroy every universe.
Ah, but there would be another where someone anticipated this and figured out how to stop it.
Of course that then suggests a universe where a madman figured out how to destroy the multiverse and keep it from being stopped, and one where a dogooder anticipated that…
Such a multiverse could end up existing in a state of indeterminate existance. Like a certain cat…
Aha! The one from Cheshire!
Only if destroying every universe were possible
I’m having an aneurysm
But there’s a universe where you aren’t.
🤫 Don’t.
Luckily the Flash stopped them.
Infinite options does not mean all options. Eg in the set natural numbers 0-infinity the set of infinite numbers between 0-1 (or between any other 2 adjacent numbers) is absent.
So you can definitely have an infinite multiverse where in all of them infinite multiverses exist.
There are infinite numbers between 0 and 1, but none of them is 2.
Yes, even in an infinite multiverse, there is no universe where science_memes commenters have sex.
Mitosis in every single one of them.
Infinite options does not mean all options.
Right, as you said the natural numbers is an infinite set but it doesn’t contain fractional numbers between adjacent natural numbers. The set of natural numbers also doesn’t contain letters, or colors, or varieties of geese. You can even add other constraints to the set and still have an infinite set that contains even fewer possible values, like you could have the set of all natural numbers that don’t contain the digit 3.
People make the mistake of thinking that an infinite set of universes means that there is every conceivable version of a universe out there, but that’s not the case. Murphy’s law says that anything that can happen will happen, but that means things are still constrained by what can happen. Reality is constrained by consistent logic, the most basic of which is the identity law, p = p. It is a contradiction for both p and ~p to be true, a violation of reality. So if the multiverse is a reality, it is a single reality that is self consistent, meaning there is no Universe in the multiverse for which there doesn’t exist a multiverse.
So can there be multiverses that contain every other multiverse other than itself?
I think you mean, multiverses that every multiverse that doesn’t contain itself. In which case, obviously yes. And it’s made up entirely of barbers.
I’d argue that multiverse theory being true would be a property of the multiverse, not a property of any individual universe, but the ‘infinity not including all possibilities’ part is true too
Given infinite buckets, there’s a bucket where the other buckets don’t exist
Given an unlimited amount of tries, I can win any major lottery 10 times in a row.
Given an unlimited amount of tries, I still cannot go super saiyan. Believe me, I’m close to that amount of tries!
Have you tried screaming and flexing really hard?
Ya, I pooped a little and lost consciousness.
Only a little? There’s your problem!
Ahhh, I get it. So you are saying that I need to eat taco Bell beforehand. Because that is the one sure way I can be sure that I will thoroughly shit myself when I am unconscious.
Precisely! Only then will you achieve super saiyan!
Wait wouldn’t that only be super saying? As in we would super be talking about it?
Do you make your back tingle?
Given an unlimited number of fries, I can go super fat.
Given an unlimited amount of tries, anything that has a non-zero chance of happening, no matter how unlikely will happen. But what has absolute zero chance of happening will still not happen.
If there is an infinite Multiverse, there is a universe where the inhabitants believe the Multiverse doesn’t exist, doesn’t make it true.
If there is no infinite Multiverse, the inhabitants could also believe that it exist.
No paradoxes.
Edit: A computer can run Virtual Machines, but there could be some VMs where another VM can be run, while other VMs have some “system corruption” that make the VMs impossible, but VMs still exist. Just because one VM cannot run VMs within itself, doesn’t nullify the existence VMs
So you’re saying that some 'verses have VT-x/AMD-V enabled and others don’t?
How does the signal factor in?
I love multiverse theory! I also love how a lot of people don’t really understand how finite infinites work in the context of multiverse theory!
There might be a universe in which magic exists. However, there is no universe in which I exist and magic exists. That’s because I was born into a mundane version of the universe, so there are infinite possibilities, but because my existence in a magical universe is 0, being accepted into a witching school is something that’ll never happen for me.
So no, within the context of multiverse theory there is no universe in which multiverse theory doesn’t exist, because that is a paradox and as such, has 0 chance of existing. However, it totally possible that a magical universe does exist (I would say we don’t know enough about the formation of the universe to accurately judge whether or not such a universe could be possible under the right formative circumstances); it’s just that the chances of any of us existing in that universe is 0.
However, there is no universe in which I exist and magic exists. That’s because I was born into a mundane version of the universe
Doubt.
Except in the universe where that is how it works.
Infinite doesn’t mean everything. Infinite can include a repeating pattern, even a huge repeating pattern which seems random at first. Not everything you could possibly imagine would necessarily have to exist in the multiverse.
And even if infinite and perfectly random, some things may just not be feasible and just not exist.
except in the universe it is feasible and exists
If pi is infinite, that means pi must contain i
Well obviously. It’s right there next to the p.
It does not contain e though.
In an infinite list of letters, every single book ever written, every word ever spoken (and to be written/spoken) should be present no?
I guess the only caveat is that in an infinite universe certain physical laws could be universal (which would prevent eg any universe to break the speed of light)? But some version of me having hair past my 30s should certainly exist no?
Or am I getting this completely wrong?
Or am I getting this completely wrong?
I mean, the whole premise is getting this completely wrong. The actual physics idea behind multiple universes is that every possibility in specific quantum events happens, each one being in a separate, ‘parallel’, universe where everything else in the universe is exactly the same. All the laws of physics stay the same, just the results of all the cumulative random possibilities are different.
This is also not the only explanation of that strange phenomenon in quantum mechanics.
“A” repeating is an infinite list of letters
Lol, OK. Yeah. Didn’t think about caveats. :D
This infinite list of letters could be "any random combination of letters EXCEPT when that makes the word “banana”. A subset of an infinite set can still be infinite.
Infinite != infinite randomness
Ah, fair enough. So that’s similar to “infinite universes of infinite possibilities, except light can never go faster than 300.000 km/sec”?
You’re getting into omniverse territory here, I think. But if accurate, then the dimensions without multiverses just lack the ability to perceive, observe, understand, measure, prove, or travel outside of their own universes. There’s a whole multiverse of such isolated bubbles that will “know” that there’s no multiverse, and we have a 50/50 chance of being in one.
That’s not how statistics works lol
If there are infinite universes, covering all permutations of all properties (i asume thats what they mean by omniverse), then there will be exactly as many universes with a certain property then there are without it. So it is actually 50/50.
In the “multiverse of all possibilities” there will be 50% without a multiverse
We’re getting into hierarchies of infinities here, look up cardinality. You can have infinities that can’t map to every possibility of a higher infinity
I know. But I case of the multiverse that many people think about, the one where there is a universe for EVERYTHING, there will be exactly as many universes where triangles exist as there are universes where triangles dont exist. And the same is true for everything else.
And it is exactly the same number, not just the same type of infinity. Because for every universe with triangles there must also exist the exact same universe without triangles (and vice versa), otherwise the multiverse wouldn’t contain all possible universes.
What if there are more ways to not have triangles than to have triangles? If every possibility is represented equally, that would mean there are more universes without triangles. The possibility of triangles isn’t the variables that’s changing, it’s a side effect of other variables.
I just rolled two six-sided dice. If we take that action as truely random and that every possibility is represented in some universe, then there are universes were I rolled 2 and universes where I rolled 7. However, there are more universes where I rolled 7, simply because there are more ways to roll 7 (1&6, 2&5, 3&4, 4&3, 5&2, 6&1).
And that’s assuming that my roll was truely random, and not significantly biased by how I threw the dice. It’s also completely impossible that I rolled a 13, and universes where triangles are impossible might not exist. Every possible universe still exists, but there are more universes where I rolled 7, and none where I can’t draw a triangle. Infinite improbability doesn’t make the impossible possible.
There is no probability. No rolling dice. It is every combination of everything. I know Hilberts infinite hotel, I know (enough about) probability and statistics.
I am talking about the multiverse that many people imagine. The one where you can say “there is a universe in which I am president. And one where Lincoln is a velociraptor, and a universe where chairs sit on people instead of the other way round”. In that multiverse, I can construct a universe without triangles that is identical to another universe with triangles in every regard except for the existence of triangles. And I can do that for every universe with triangles. Its a bijection.
We dont permute a (in)finite set of initial parameters and then evolve the universe from there, we have a universe for every CURRENT state.
In the hypothetical reality where such a multiverse exists (it would be a case of Russells paradox as OP has discovered), there is a 50% chance to be in a universe where it doesn’t.
Ah, so not just every possible universe, and not just every conceivable universe, and not just every coherent idea of a universe, and not just every arbitrary state of a universe, but every collection of arbitrary notions about any form of existence no matter if those notions are compatable in any way with anything.
In that case, the vast majority of universes are not possible to understand by our laws of logic. Most of them no longer exist either, as half of them spontaneously ended in 1602 and another half fell to false vacuum decay a billion years ago, and an infinite number of other things. Yet since we’re disregarding all logic and taking every arbitrary position, there are infinite universes where they spontaneously stopped existing every second since they started existing yet continue to exist, are one dimensional yet are made of nothing but triangles, have nothing but paradoxes yet are perfectly understandable by us, and are also in a multiverse where no other universes exist.
It’s a useless concept, as you can posit that any point at all is true. It’s also self-defeating, as our continued existence proves that there are no universes that have destroyed our universe permanently, and thus not every conceivable state can exist simultaneously.
Is there some use I am missing?
I know one thing that’s absolutely true about the multiverse!
The multiverse is a convenient excuse to reboot superheroes for a new audience to make money.If there are multiple countries on the planet Earth, that must mean there’s a country where the other countries don’t exist.
Infinite countries. Which mumblemumble clearly makes it all work.
I think that’s North Korea
You spelled United States of America wrong.
Most Americans acknowledge the existence of other countries, that just refuse to believe those other countries have access to electricity, plumbing, or the internet.
Other countries exist, they just belong the United Empire.
The set of all possible universes does not include impossible universes. If you assume all possible universes exist, you’ve already eliminated universes that are the only universe as impossible.
