Reddit libs shitting their pants and foaming at the mouth over this more than anything else that has come from Trump and Elons bullshit.
The meltdowns are absolutely incredible to watch, and it’s just the start. Their whole world is collapsing in front of their eyes.
Let’s not jump the gun just yet. Nothing tangible has actually happened, this could just be Trump putting on a theater to look like he’s keeping his campaign promises and Russia humoring him by going through the usual diplomatic motions and platitudes, but it has definitely been fun to watch the reaction from the collective liberal sphere.
I still agree with the more cautious analysis that i’ve read on this which says that basically there is little Trump can actually do, because there is no deal that he can offer that Russia would take. And so the final resolution will still have to come on the battlefield itself over the course of this year. But we’ll have to wait and see what happens.
We’re in a time when things are moving so chaotically that at this point it is very hard to predict what will happen in the short term, week to week. Tomorrow something completely surprising could happen that proves me wrong. The broad trajectory is clear, but how exactly it unfolds in detail i think no one knows yet, not even the people in the drivers’ seat of all this. Trump certainly seems to be mostly just winging it.
The act of Trump calling Putin directly is the important event here. Regardless of how this plays out going forward, Europeans have been told in plain terms that their interests will not be represented in the negotiations. The whole nature of the relationship between US and Europe will be very different going forward.
There are two ways this can play out now. Either Trump agrees to Russian terms, which seems to be the way things are currently headed, or he just pulls funding from the project and walks away. Both scenarios mean that the war is going to be over quickly and on Russian terms.
I strongly suspect it will be the former because I think that the US will want to restore relations with Russia in an attempt to arrest the alternate economic bloc forming around BRICS from gaining further momentum. I expect that Trump will try to bring Russia back into the SWIFT system and convince them to trade in dollars. I expect that Russia won’t shut the door on that entirely. Trump is also frantically trying to improve relations with India getting them to buy F35s, and demanding that the US become their main energy supplier. It seems like Trump admin sees BRICS as the biggest threat, which is a correct view from US perspective incidentally.
They are just gonna land on “stab in the back myth” where the evil Trumputin, pawn of the Putler, stabs brave, totally not nazi ukro
nazispatriots in the back preventing them from protecting entire Western CivilizationTM from Asiatic HordesTM and since the predicted Russian invasion of entire Europe won’t materialise they are gonna credit the stalwart position of German Browns, Polish Winged Hussars and Baltic Chihuahuas.The real problem lbis face isn’t Russia though but the collapsing economy in Europe which is getting worse by the day. My prediction is that we’ll start seeing more and more nationalist governments come to power, and they will start normalizing relations with Russia on case by case basis. If EU stands in the way of that, I think there’s a high likelihood countries will exit in favor of joining BRICS.
when youre not at the table, youre on the menu
on another hand, isn’t it super risky for Putin to go to Saudi Arabia to do these talks?
I can’t imagine that Saudis would let anything happen to Putin. And realistically speaking, an attack on Putin would basically be WW3, so I don’t see that happening.
Probably safer than Russia tbh.
Hilarious
Europe was never part of the decision making process. The Biden administration just made them believe they did
Here’s the archive link to bypass the paywall: https://archive.ph/Gwudy
Negotiations require direct contacts. But Mr Trump is in effect starting to normalise relations with Russia without obtaining tangible concessions. Indeed, Mr Putin’s spokesman said talks had to involve more than the cessation of fighting; it was necessary to “address the root causes of the conflict”, which in Kremlin-speak means absorbing Ukraine into a Russian sphere of influence.
I hate the Economist so much. Also, I thought they’d love Trump since he’s all about the economy. Strange world we live in.
This article is very annoying to read, Zelensky needs to stop posturing himself as some peace loving leader and Putin as some psycho sadist. Peace talks were called for incredibly early, yet Zelenskyy refused and decided to keep fighting. His idea of a “lasting peace” is a Russia shaped crater in the earth.
I found the whole thing kind of hilarious to be honest because it’s just so utterly detached from reality. Seems like they still don’t understand that it’s Europe that will be forced to make concessions to both US and Russia. They still labour under the delusion that the US is their ally and will somehow consider their interests in the end.
You know it’s been a rough week for the liberal empire when @yogthos@lemmygrad.ml posts an Economist article.
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Dogs are naturally not allowed to sit at the table when the master talks seriously.
They’ll never stop whining either, as though that ever changed anything
And anyone thought that Europe had any say anyway?
Nobody with a functioning brain, but turns out that excludes all of the EU political class.
