Which European countries are best for software engineers, where most people understand English, and they have an easy enough immigration system for long term work permits ?
Ireland, but it’s a small country. As only EU English speaking country, I’m sure they’ve had to digest a lot of immigrants since Brexit.
The Netherlands and Flanders in Belgium has a lot of people understanding English. I’d suggest countries such as nl, be, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Norway, …
For a Roman country, I’d suggest Portugal. However the trick there is to work online for a company from your home country. While enjoying the low cost of living there.
Here in flanders I live with my wife who is from Indonesia. She’s been learning Dutch when she arrived since 2023 December. Whenever we talk to people, we speak in English. While the person then talks in Dutch to me whenever communication wouldn’t be entirely easy for them.
The level of English is fine here. Job opportunities are limited for English speakers though. You’d need to find an international company that has everything in English.
Or a physical labour job.
My wife has a law degree, but until she masters Dutch, she will need to continue her job as a cleaner. (High minimum wage in Belgium, the job she does is 2/3rd subsidised by government. Which makes hiring people easier).
I have an accountancy job and honestly, everything is in Dutch. All the documents. Companies communicating with eachother is all done in Dutch so when that language isnt mastered, then it’s impossible to be productive enough at a desk job.
Brussels might have companies that hire English speakers. However, Brussels is a place where you thrive when you speak Dutch, french and English.
Like at the airport last Sunday all the employees there spoke to me in Dutch, to my wife in English and to other people in french.
Personally I would suggest Ghent. Most English speaking city in Belgium.
As only EU English speaking country
Malta doesn’t count? English is official language.
My bad, need to visit the place sometime.
I want English to be an official language in Belgium, but that will take a generation before it’s agreeable.
Netherlands is best for money I hear, especially for the tax cut you get the first 5 years.
I live in Estonia and it has a nice startup culture, chill atmosphere, and just a great place to live, but salary is peanuts compared to NL unless you work for Wise, Bolt, or one of the 134234234 online casino providers. CoL is of course much lower than western Europe, but still much higher than it should be at the salary level here. But software engineers easily make 2-3x median salary, with 5-7x median salary not out of the realm of possibility at high-end positions in high-end companies. So you won’t be strapped for cash if you’re good.
I’ve heard Ireland is good. No idea of how true that is, but they do speak English, if reluctantly.
That said, the actual Irish language is rather melodic, and learning it is a fun project.
Que Wierd Al- “Dare to be stupid”
Is X the new swastika?
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88
It’s actually XYZ
X is the American fascists
Z are the Russian fascists
Y is what you keep asking
Yes.
US will make Europe great again lmao
Feels bad to realize your profession isn’t particularly useful outside of the U.S. I’d like to stay and fight regardless, but the reality is if I stop being able to get my meds there won’t be much I can do besides being fodder.
Out of curiosity, what is your profession?
You probably don’t want that answer.
You slather Donald trump in orange make up?
goddammit my beverage is supposed to be in my stomach, not on my screen!
One ended up with the displacement of scientists and academics, the other, with soydevs and dei loonies with BS degrees in social sciences.
That is indeed what scientist look like to science deniers
Chud: “Dei killed science, i want real science done”
Scientist: " Can i have money to study cancer "
Chud: “Lol fuck off , trans mice , gay frogs , cmemicals in water”
the funding is exactly like that, needs funding, but said “funders, dont want to admit that it is a human caused issue,”
How are you this disconnected?
It’s a gift
*grift
You certainly aren’t wrong there.
FAFO
never occurred to me how close x is to the swastika :)
$ man ascii | awk '/X$/ {print $7}' 88
B = 66 I = 73 L = 76 L = 76 G = 71 A = 65 T = 84 E = 69 S = 83 I = 1 I = 1 I = 1 Total = 666
Though that one didn’t age as well, he’s a pretty nice guy these days.
Ye a swastica is an X with extra steps
Please please, also run to Canada, were closer by
Or just. Everyone stop running please. When does the running stop? You eventually have to make a stand somewhere it’s either you or future generations paying this price. If you benefited enough to get out, stay and help others do the same.
If Einstein did this he would’ve died in the Holocaust.
Right. Well. Good thing you’re not Einstein or a Jewish person in Nazi Germany, or I would not have advised you to stay. Such a straw man, avoiding responsibility even in your arguments.
stay and do what? scientist cant get funding or jobs, when its being systemically attacked? scientists have always been cognizant and smart enough to go where they can have a chance of a normal life. you’re basically saying a jewish person should stay and fight nazis in ww2. the only ones that are staying are to naive to leave.
So when do you stop running
When you break a leg and they put you down.
What?
Horses are often thought of as symbols of running wild/ free/ fast. They are also often euthanized when they break a leg.
I think I’d go to China if I could. I feel like the US is gonna fuck over it’s allies first.
So you’ll be conditioning yourself ahead of time?
As someone that supports Palestine I think my odds are significantly less likely of getting black bagged in China than in the US.
US just making people disappear without due-process right now but western brain still thinks “China is the real dystopia”
Read about the plight of the Uyghurs in China. If you support the Muslims in China, you will end up in a CCP sponsored mobile organ donor chop bus.
In the US making people disappear without due process is news, in China it’s a daily occurrence.
Yeah. But the difference in China is the people that get disappeared are billionaires that started criticisming the government too much. Id rather we disappear some billionaires here. Instead of brown people protesting a genocide.
china loves westerners, its good pr and propaganda for them.
unironically, the best PR for China recently was Rednote when TikTok was gonna be banned. Literally just Americans and Chinese people on the same social media platform was pretty fun. Lots of light hearted shit from both countries people for a week.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Peng_Shuai
She stopped existing in 30 min.
She didn’t disappear mate. She’s made several public appearances since. Literally read the article. She just disappeared from social media. There is no evidence she was “taken”.
Was she censored heavily upon making accusations? Absolutely. But censored is not “being disappeared”. Do you think this is the same as taking people to a prison in another country with zero due process?
You have a highly idealistic perspective on China. This isn’t to say that things are lerfect in Europe or North America - they most definitely aren’t. But it is to say that two things can be true at the same time, i.e., there are growing issues in the West and China has a highly oppressive regime.
There is a natural temptation to whitewash and exxagerate the good in other times and places, especially ones that are directly juxtaposed to the one you are inhabiting and are critical toward.
However, we must resist these temptations lest we doom ourselves to repeat the same mistake over and over.
It’s just if you say a single thing positive about China that you get 20 replies about tank man or reeducation camps. No one cares to have a conversation about the thing you said about China they just spew state department talking points.
It’s like if I said something about the US being pretty good with gay rights (for now at least) and then people started saying: Chelsea Manning, Julian Assange, MOVE bombing, George Floyd, GITMO, etc.
But you are the only reasonable reply here. I don’t disagree with much of what you said. I just think the backlash to saying anything positive about China while the US is literally going full 1939 is just completely disconnected. More so than any China idealizing would ever be.
Never heard of the Xinjiang concentration camps? In China it’s also mostly brown people who criticize the government who are disappeared, the billionaires are the exceptions that make the news.
The USA might be getting worse, but it’s still a far cry from China.
I’m worried that if there’s war you guys will be affected as well. Running further seems more reasonable.
Don’t think you white folk don’t realise Europe has no real power anymore and shifting to facism. America has military hegemony, but not science or manufacturing, and again falling to facism and corporations.
Real power is moving to where stuff is getting made and leaving thode with bullshit over inflation like Tesla, or many other stocks. The current center of economic power has moved closer and closer to where it was 500 years ago.
Ayyyy. Some good ol’ Chinese shill. On our Lemmy. What an amazing day to be alive.
So many Euro simps on Lemmy. It’s like a circle jerk for Europe on here for some reason. Which is kinda proving your own point around the growing fascism (Nationalism) in Europe. This time it seems to be Fascism fueled by a “European” identity alongside a “German or Italian” identity. Though state nationalism is growing it seems to be growing along with EU nationalism.
It’s very much fueled by anti immigrant (primarily anti Arab) sentiment. The most obvious of which is Germany. A country that has a national identity built around guilt for the Holocaust but at the same time pretending that they have some unobtainable (by others) perspective on Antisemitism. Which ironically is fueling modern day Antisemitism against Arabs in Germany.
Germany is literally repeating it’s antisemitic past by blindly supporting Israel and blaming Arab immigrants for all its problems. Literally supporting a Jewish Supremacists Ethnostate that models much of Nazi Germany in it’s oppression of Palestine.
Germany is just an example. But a lot of Europe (Poland being another strong example) is absolutely diving head first into the fascist pool. I don’t see how anyone paying attention could disagree with much of what you said.
You sure as hell cherry pick as much as you desire don’t you?
We don’t simp for Europe.
We are Europe.
Stop thinking the world revolves around you bud.
I just keep getting replies like this with zero substance. Just Europeans saying “I’m wrong”. Enlighten me. In what way did I think the world revolved around me? I literally was just talking about actual things happening in Europe. Seriously, tell me what part of my comment was at all self centered? Sounds like you’re just projecting.
Also, yeah, you can be a European simp AND be European. They often go hand in hand. That and hating Arabs and Eastern Europeans. All these substanceless replies are just proving my point of European supremacy and nationalism that is exploding in the EU.
How dare I point out the racism of Germany and it’s support for genocide. How dare I! I’m so self centered!
Alright then a question of substance, what the hell is Antisemitsm towards Arabs supposed to mean?
Careful, your complexes are overspilling.
Germany and Poland are two of your examples. Are there any other examples? Please, anyone reply with as many real examples as you can and want. I think Italy is one? Please confirm. 🥲
Go back to reddit ffs :D
The EU has the second biggest economy in the world and contains 3 of the G7 nations (4 if you include the UK, which will almost certainly pivot back to EU membership in the next few years). All member states are part of NATO and France, Germany and the UK possess a significant nuclear arsenal.
But yeh, no real power.
PS 500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
The Ottoman Empire would like to have a word with you.
500 years ago, the economic power was Western European countries like France, England, Portugal, Spain.
Ps, you’re so confidently wrong. 1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
Here’s a nice graphic to make it easy for your Eurocentric mind to comprehend
second biggest economy
Bud how put of date your knowledge is? You from the 90s? Name the top 5 in order of GDP? Go ahead. Please. I know you’re speaking of Germany but please try and back it up it in 2025 that they are the second biggest economy lmao
Also is Europe getting richer, is American or European manufacturing improving? No, it’s going towards china, towards India, towards Africa. Europe became rich because of hundreds of years of exploitation and another 100 years of soft power to ensure cheap resources than be taken to Europe/America, produce high quality and sent back. Problem is, the world is now able to do a lot of it itself and Asia can make everything it needs and give to all other Asian and African Nations.
Military threat, yeah, 100% that’s all Europe has, that’s how you become rich was bombing and exploiting others. But the suprise factor is gone, nobody trusts you guys, look at the trade map, you think you’re gonna challenge this?
1525 the economic powers of the world were India and china https://www.businessinsider.com/mckinsey-worlds-economic-center-of-gravity-2012-6
that is a fascinating map; i noticed that despite making projections about 2025 the date of that post is actually 2012; Business Insider attributes it to McKinsey, but via ZeroHedge (who charges for access to their archives).
I wanted more context so I spent a few minutes searching; in case anyone else is curious it comes from a report called “Urban world: Cities and the rise of the consuming class” by McKinsey Global Institute.
Here is their summary of it, and here is the 92 page PDF of the full report.
here is MGI's 'economic center of gravity' methodology
The center of gravity analysis is based on country-level historical estimates from Angus Maddison for the period AD 1 until 2007, and country-level growth rates from Cityscope 2.0 until 2025. We then allocated each country’s GDP value to the approximate center of landmass of the respective country. The same center of each country was used throughout the entire time frame. To calculate the global center of gravity, landmass radian coordinates were transformed into Cartesian coordinates with a tool from the UK Ordnance Survey that uses ED50/ UTM data and projection (see www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/gps). We then transformed these coordinates into respective momentums and averaged these to a true economic center of gravity for each year, located within the sphere of the earth. To illustrate the shift of gravity, we lengthened the vectors from the center of the earth to the center of gravity so that they lie on the earth’s surface. Although the concept of “surfacing” might create problems for interpreting data, both the resulting direction and the magnitude of the surfaced shifts were directionally consistent with the internal shifts, too. The four periods with the fastest shift, 2000–10, 1940–50, and 2010–25, maintain the same rank order, while the 1500–1820 period ranks 11th on surface but eighth on the “true” center of gravity.
here is what they say about ~500 years ago
Until 1500, Asia was the center of gravity of the world economy, accounting for roughly two-thirds of global GDP. But in the 18th and 19th centuries, urbanization and industrialization vaulted Europe and the United States to prominence. We are now observing a decisive shift in the balance back toward Asia—at a speed and on a scale never before witnessed. China’s economic transformation resulting from urbanization and industrialization is happening at 100 times the scale of the first country in the world to urbanize—the United Kingdom—and at ten times the speed (Exhibit E2).
but wait, where did they get that GDP data from?
They actually cite Angus Maddison’s Monitoring the World Economy 1820–1992 which doesn’t sound like something that goes to AD 1. It looks like Maddison also published The World Economy: A Millennial Perspective (currently only a limited preview on archive.org) in 2001, which this reproduces Appendix B of - which seems like probably their source:
World GDP, 20 Countries and Regional Totals, 1-2001 AD
I’m not sure how Geary–Khamis dollars (“a hypothetical unit of currency that has the same purchasing power parity that the U.S. dollar had in the United States at a given point in time”) are supposed to work for time periods prior to the existence of the United States, but i think I’ve spent enough time on this rabbit hole for now :)
Bravo on that deep dive, and thank you.
I know you’re speaking of Germany
Nope, they very clearly said The EU and not Germany, which is accurate. The EU is behind the US and in front of China in GDP, firm second place.
What’s up with .ml users being shit with reading comprehension?
They’re obviouslt just spitting vitriol in response what is perceived as a threat to their identity. Which apparently is the notion that someone somewhere might beattempting to live free and joyously while also being reflexive about past mistakes.
The audacity of those darned European! If I’m not happy, then nobody should!
Just give a year or two and brains will be fleeing EU also
I’d say we are in an odd position. I don’t know when you last attended a PhD ceremony, but in engineering, over half were foreigners. The US already had a brain drain, by not producing top notch scientists and engineers. This is only exacerbating the issue.
Where are these PhD ceremonies you are attending? If they are in the US, wouldn’t that mean that the US is producing these scientist? Also, engineering isn’t exactly the kind of field where people stick around in academia getting doctorate degrees.
Why would they?
Here in Germany, we will have a conservative government at best and a fascist one at worst. AFD is at 20% at national levels, and locally they are winning in the East, which I, naive and wrongly motivated as I was, moved to from merry Bavaria.
The CDU is no where near as bad as the Republicans
Well that’s a low bar
I’m German too. We should built a wall and make the Ossis pay for it… Wait a second 🤔.
Where, though? Moon?
They are smart aren’t they
Lol… the comparison is ridiculous.
Why do you think so? I know post docs basically only looking for jobs outside of the US, and several friends who got funding for grad or summer students cancelled, and know if one case getting pressure to change titles of dissertation to better align with the administration stance.
Science is getting hit hard here, the damage is done, and this could take decades to recover from. And that’s assuming things are able to shift back to where things were.
You’re not going to get an answer, at least not one based on logical tangible reality. If there was one it would have been addended to the comment to support the accusation to actually try and make a convincing argument in good faith. This is not that. The assumption is that you will know exactly what they’re talking about and upvote blindly in solidarity, sort of like a dog whistle, signaling to those who also listen to same right wing propaganda.
I know this exact same kind of comment by instinct because many years ago I too left those kinds of comments when I was an insufferable alt right assclown, and you will see it everywhere on any subject in any place where right wingers start showing up - the YouTube comment sections of certain channels, certain subreddits, all over Facebook, or god forbid you have ever bore witness to one of the most deplorable dregs of the internet: news article comment sections, when they were still a thing.
I actually wrote most of this out before looking at the profile because I was so confident, and after doing so for due diligence, I can confirm my suspicions. And if you unfortunately are forced to spend any time around right wingers, this kind of thing is common in their daily conversation. I shit you not I once heard someone blame an intermittent power outage on “the globalists”, and the others nodded their head in solidarity of outrage with zero evidence. It was a connection issue from the complex to the power lines, a transformer that needed to be replaced, as clarified by the utility company an hour later.
glad you escaped - team ‘logical tangible reality’ needs all the help it can get
How so?
1945-1959: Same as 1930s but the scientist guy is also a Nazi (and Hitler has a bullet hole lmao)
I’m an ignorant American, what’s the significance of the bull/ox?
That woman on the bull is Europa (Ancient Greek Εὐρώπη, Eurṓpē), daughter of the Phoenician king Agenor, lived about 2000 BCE. The bull is the shapeshifted Zeus that is kidnapping Europa. They had sex and sired Minos, king of Crete. Minos is the one who feed the Minotaur by sending children into its labyrinth.
Yeah Greek mythology is weird.
O Gabriel, now dawns thy reckoning, and thy gore shall GLISTEN before the temples of Man!
Well that is a healthy family for sure
The bull that fathered the Minotaur was not Zeus, it was a gift by Poseidon who expected king Minos to sacrifice the bull to Poseidon. The king kept the gift and sacrificed another bull, Poseidon got pissed and had the king’s wife screw the bull, giving birth to the Minotaur.
You know, I watched that show Netflix canceled, with Jeff Goldblum, and so I’m like, hey, that’s right! Sure, could’ve paid attention in school, but better Nate than lever.
Why the fuck did netflix cancel season 2 of Kaos??
lol a minute ago I wasn’t even aware of this show and now I’m annoyed it’s been cancelled. sounds like jist the thing for me
it’s in the terms of service agreement; you agree that they can use telemetry to determine what you like and whenever they detect that you like a show they will cancel it immediately.
Not cancelled by christian fundamentalist who complained that no one should recognise any other god but theirs?
Probably because I share accounts with people and they’re doing it to spite me.
Kaos is the show you’re thinking of.
The Longest Joke in the World is the Nate and lever reference (well worth the read).
Thanks, for some reason I was thinking Cronos, I dunno.
And yeah, I remember reading that joke what feels like 20 years ago at this point, someone put it in the ebaums forums, took like 20 separate posts because of char limits, and I couldn’t stop telling the joke to people after that, it’s just too perfect.
For anyone who can’t wait for the ending:
It was his sled from when he was a kid. There, I just saved you two long, boobless hours
Wait, I thought the minotaur was the son of the king of Minos’ wife? Did gods do double-damage on his bloodline?
You are correct, the bull that sired the Minotaur was not Zeus, and Europe was not the mother. That’s a different bull-queen pair.
I bet they did more than that.
The whole god/demigod/etc. ancestry is totally fucked up. Zeus copulated with every woman he could find, even his sisters!
Anything with a pulse really. And probably some things without.
EU - “Nation States”
Thanks! I just googled it and it mentioned “Europa and the bull” representing unity and peace.
We could definitely use some of that, but unfortunately we just get a bunch of what the bull leaves behind instead… :/
Makes me wanna cry
“Scientists” bouncing between fascists in a losing attempt to preserve privilege.
I’m super curious why you put scientists in quotes. I literally can’t figure out what that’s supposed to imply.
And by privilege you mean access to basic freedom and the pursuit of knowledge.
Most scientists are underpaid and overworked.
And demonized. No country hates scientists more than America. The average American cherry picks their science and treat science that goes against their preconceived notions as conspiracies, but jump at the chance to defend their favorite corporations like you attacked family. It’s disgusting.