Summary
Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.
Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.
Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.
The rally, part of Sanders’ “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.
I love how Trumps gets some of these folks all riled up and by just acting normally.
I really hope this “AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America” arc has a happy ending
She’s a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.
A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.
At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.
The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he’s too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn’t have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.
Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.
I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don’t think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.
This is some actual leadership looks like. It’s not something that commes around every 4 years around election time trying to triangulate a voting block.
Save your praise until they actually win some victories. Marches and rallies are a good start, but they don’t necessarily translate into political action. Remember the women’s marches in 2017? The largest single day protest in American history and it did exactly two things: jack and shit. People went out, waved signs, went home, and Trump flipped three court seats and ended Roe.
Bernie in particular has always been great at turning out a crowd, but he’s never been able to turn that into political or legislative victories.
Ok so 4 years from now, when the major complaint has been gathering support only happens during election time…
Drop the quotation marks. They’re quite literally screwing us over.
Here’s what I’d like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.
Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we’re even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.
It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like “naaah, I just don’t feel it this year…Not gonna vote” to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.
We are only in moth #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he’s done. We’re back to square one. Nothing changes. I’m starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please… I just don’t trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.
Liberals and progressives staying home wouldn’t matter if the democratic party appealed to the working class as a whole instead.
You’re getting blackpilled because your scope of what liberal democracy is is incredibly limited and almost childish. Student loan forgiveness? Recognizing Palestine? Those are useless carrots dangled in front of you that do not materially change the country or even count as policies.
If you want to lock out authoritarians for another 100 years and have a real democracy you need to think bigger and grow up. Fundamental voting procedures need to be overhauled. The judiciary needs to be completely removed and then reinstated with additional safeguards against partisanship. Return to a gold standard and abolishment of stocks. Yes, the entire stock market. Quite frankly the entire constitution needs an overhaul to a degree where the old one should just be tossed into a fire and the flag changed afterwards to reflect all these changes to the country.
THAT is what is needed. To remove FUNDAMENTAL and ENDEMIC problems that have been plaguing this republic for 200 years now!
But instead of thinking about that, you just prefer some free money in the form of debt forgiveness. And that’s why Trump won and he and his successor will keep winning for the foreseeable future.
You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.
My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don’t care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?
They are arguing that a real progressive would try to fix democracy. Overturn citizens United. Get money out of politics. Push for an alternative to first past the post. Remove the electoral college. You do those things and fascism becomes much easier to defend against.
You have way too much politics in the US, your judges, police chiefs, ad’s should never have been political.
We must get rid of gerrymandering and the electoral college. Nothing will ever change until that shit is gone. Until then, rinse and repeat.
voter suppression is the main issue besides gerrymandering, republicans would never have won that many seats, if they dint do this, and heavily propagandized apathy. voter suppression barely occurs red dominated areas. voting machine rigging is almost never addressed either.
Getting rid of the electoral college would be a good first step. It would still be less than 1% of what needs to be done, but a step in the right direction nonetheless.
Replacing the Citizen’s United court decision with actual law would go a really long way towards keeping corporate money out of politics.
The boomers will die eventually, and with them, their antiquated ideas.
The world is now aware billionaires are a huge issue and countries around the world are taking more precautions to prevent what is happening to the USA from happening in their countries.
Religious fascists will always be an issue, but we can combat that with education, taxing churches, and persecuting people like Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk.
That’s why they all rallied behind Trump-- they know their days are numbered and the people want their fat heads in the guillotines.
It’s the 1% vs the working class.
Not generation vs generation.
The 1% exist because the boomers voted for Reagan and voted for Trump.
And it’s not that boomers are better off dead-- my mama is a boomer, and I love my mama!
Everyone who knows her does!
My mama is an indigenous woman who lives on a mountain, probably has negative carbon footprint on this planet because she never wants anything but good company and old-ass movies. She is always out there helping strangers, taking stray dogs to the vet to get spayed, picking up trash, planting flowers, etc.
She’s happy.
But even she’s like “I’m ready to peace out, the world’s too complicated for me, most my family is suffering, and all the people I grew up are dead or dying.”
That’s not what very powerful boomers like Trump, Netanyahu, Pelosi, Schumer, Mr. Brain-worm-with-measles, etc. are doing, and there’s a ton of them that will not step down until death takes them.
Hopefully we’ll all be the wiser from this experience, about prioritizing happiness over control.
The old boomer’s idea of conservatism has already died. Congratulations, you already got what you asked for. It was replaced by a technocracy. Or neo-fascism. Call it whatever you want, but that replacement is thoroughly supported by young people. Zoomers more than millenials.
Statements like yours incite me quite a bit, because I’ve used to say the same thing. “Boomers will die out soon and then we get to take over”. That was 30 years ago. It got worse, not better.
I hear you, if you think about this:
Technocrats are a group of people.
Boomers are an enormous generational cohort.
A cohort that is really struggling to let go of power and allow their descendants to shape the world.
Most of them were raised to always put their careers first, so that’s all they know how to do-- they don’t know how to just smoke a blunt and chill like the cool boomers do.
Likewise, while I’m undoubtedly one of the cool millennials, the time will come when it will be obvious to me that it is time for us millennials and our antiquated ways to go, and allow the new world to use the resources and the space we will leave behind.
It’s part of the natural cycle of life on this planet.
So it behooves us to do everything we can so that our descendants are mostly sad that we are gone, instead of deeply relieved we’re finally dead.
While you are right I do think that a good number are boomers, there are still young people grasping onto these ideas. I am a millennial and have worked with different people across many age ranges who are very conservative including my age or younger. Unfortunately this hyper conservative movement may not go away anytime soon in my opinion.
But I do hope that people in America and elsewhere like you said remain aware of the billionaire parasites that feed off the people. My hope is that some day the conservative ideals squeeze and overstep with their followers so much that they finally wake up and choose different ideals. I hope it happens soon and we can change the future of the world
Years ago, I read a scientific journal article about how male elephant aggression increased drastically after the older male elephants (bulls) in the herd were killed by poachers and hunters for their big tusks.
The article explained that the bulls provided structure for the younger males by basically slapping them over the back of the head whenever the younger males did something not very cash money.
Not only that, the bulls were also role models for the younger dudes on how to sweet talk the ladies, because after the bulls were killed, the lady elephants were rejecting the younger male elephants because they were huge fucking douches-- even the fucking elephants are dealing with incels.
All it takes is the removal of safety nets in our communities, and their absence means we are all struggling really hard to work, parent, volunteer, teach, and mentor all these children growing up while being aware their whole childhood that the future looks really bleak for them.
I think younger generations are angry and depressed, and that’s coming out as racism, sexism, transphobia, anti-immigrant rhetoric, etc. They are flocking to Joe Rogan because their only friend at school got into Joe Rogan and well, they don’t have other older gentler friends to smack them upside the head with the elephant trunk of wisdom.
Society has failed them, so they want to change it to what they think would work for them.
If we take the time to engage with as many young people as we can, and provide hope and guidance, we can better combat the red pilling.
Many of us do not take the time to coach youth sports, do the big brother/sister program, or volunteer to help at community events for children.
So when these kids grow up, they don’t have a healthy ring of cool adult models to emulate or ask advice from.
I am proud to say I have many friends 10-20 years younger than me, and I have loved watching and helping to guide them all to grow into compassionate and thoughtful adults.
And at least one of them started out as a red pill incel, so you have me to think for turning him to the side of compassion, love, and critical thinking.
You are ALL welcome-- it weren’t easy.
Please flip the bird to the Democrats and run for president
ok that’s cool and all but what are they actually doing?
They’ve clearly demonstrated they have enough influence to draw a crowd. Plenty of activists dream of that kind of audience. Hopefully they did more than just state the obvious… mobilize them towards non-electoral action!
Rallying and engaging people in these states is absolutely crucial to any further strategy. There is nothing they can truly do to fight without tons of popular support. They are trying to reach some of the 90 million people who didn’t care enough to vote last year, to ask them to start caring.
It’s honestly the very best thing they can use their platform to do right now.
There is nothing they can truly do to fight without tons of popular support.
That’s true, absolutely, but also there’s only so much hype can do without actions alongside to make people feel empowered. Plenty of people go to protests, then realize they’ve just stood around chanting and feel like nothing was accomplished, especially after a few times in a row. So while rallying and gaining popularity is necessary, it’s not sufficient.
On the other hand, using those crowds to accomplish actions, even minor and safe, shows to participants that this is a group and a strategy that can accomplish things.
What would you suggest they do?
I would suggest they survey their target audience (when they’re in Arizona, ask Arizonans), see what they need the Dems to help with, and then see if they can use their power to help with it.
I know that’s vague, but one of the worst things I could do is arrogantly pretend I know the most important struggles of local working people. Sure, I could just guess, and some of those guesses may be right - perhaps establishing community aid organizations to reduce the impact of financial strain, creating or supporting rent/tenancy unions to help address housing crises, and labor struggles like union industrial action efforts to create better working conditions and reduce injury and death in the workplace, throwing their weight behind existing protests. But if something else is more important to a region (perhaps a local group able to solve a local problem is underfunded or needs an expert to assist), and a political party recognizes and addresses it, that is empowering to the citizens and helps build enthusiastic support for the party, rather than just seeing them as ineffective distant rich people.
Im tired of these rallies. What is the point? So poor Bernie can be ignored some more?
Have some balls and declare intent to secede. Civil War this bullshit. Only civil war can hurry up and get the clown out of the president seat.
If you want civil war so bad then what are you doing sitting around all day on the internet?
From here the outside ot really feels that you need to start another party now. Like nice rally and all of that but the dnc has been screwing you over every fuckin time.
Buddy we don’t even have elections anymore. The voting system is no longer a relevant target.
The real solution is to change the party in the primaries.
As flawed as the DNC is, starting a new party will split the non-Republican vote and guarantee the GOP sweeps.
“Change the system!” Yeah - the last Constitutional ammendment that was ratified was in 1992 and had been introduced in the Washington administration.
I’ve heard this argument for 30+ years. How long do I wait for it to be true?
Can’t you change how the delegate election works at least at a state level?
Yes. The best thing we can actually hope for at thCompact. regarding national elections is the national popular vote Interstate compact.
Or a representative parliament system?
Oh ok we’ll get right on that
Edit: it just doesn’t really help that these discussions always devolve into comments about “we have to get rid of FPTP” and all that. Yeah, no shit. There’s zero chance of that happening in this country at this time. Not without a complete breakdown of the country.
There’s zero chance of that happening in this country at this time.
Not without a complete breakdown of the country.
Well… You are onto that it seems… So get the hopium?
Well, OK then.
Shit is going to absolutely fucking suck for everyone then. Not just here. But sure, let’s go.
Starting a new party just guarantees Republicans win in landslides.
We need to do to the Democrats, what maga did to Republicans. Primary the old fuckers with young progressive candidates.
Just like how the Tea Party completely destroyed Republicans OH WAIT that’s not what happened at all. Republicans moved to the right to stay relevant and here we are.
A new popular party will force Democrats to either move to the left or become irrelevant. It’s exactly what we need.
That is because both GOP and DEM are corporatist parties. They will not cater to working class people because those people aren’t the ones throwing the most money at them. Left wing populism is nothing more than a tankie wet dream since citizens united.
First past the post ensures that any party that tries to splinter off dooms both themselves and the party from which they splintered.
What needs to happen is the democrats need to get tea partied.
At this point there’s no risk since the Democrats can’t win anyway. Might as well deal with a couple split elections while the transition happens because Republicans win even if you don’t
Don’t splinter then. Amputate.
Different word, same effect
Splinter implies a small breakaway group.
Amputate implies removing a part of the body that is harmful.
Who is really in power in the Democrats and how did they get there?
Unless you get the same size voting base as Republicans, it still leads to a corpse.
You have just described how voting works.
But how else will they keep sheepdogging everyone to vote for the billionaires?
This is the duo we need
They really need to start their own party. The dems are dead.
We need more of this. Mad respect to ACO and Bernie for standing with us and telling truth about this administration.
Why is this news to anyone? He has been screwing over working class people since his casino days. His great business plan was “don’t pay any contractors until they sue me in court”.
What a surprise he is doing the same now starting with government employees.
AOC 2028
AOC 2025
Fr let’s go. We cant wait until 2028. AOC president and Bernie vice president (or something like that)? Would be a dream come true…
Ehh Bernie is getting too old. He needs to clone himself.
I agree. That’s why I was thinking vice, but 100% we need so many more people like him 😭
I wish there were more Bernies.
Who are these two? Where were these people for the last 4 years?
Being muzzled by the DNC
Stumping for the second least likely person to best Trump in an election.
As if the screwing started 2 months ago and not 200 years ago
Yes, but you can see why it’s particularly relevant to bring up now. It has intensified significantly.
I gave him a ‘russian’ tag at some point so I doubt he cares.
Is everything that you disagree with Russian? You know you don’t have to answer that because That’s the typical response
I disagree with a lot in this world which isn’t Russian. I also don’t disagree with every Russian. Not pussy riot. Not Navalny, oh wait, he was murdered by putin…
Your username, I’m assuming, refers to the Russian empire in decay? Or are you a Putin supporter or apologist?
Nah, just seeing the .ml in your name says enough.
