I mean… fine? France always does things kind of top-down and there’s certainly no reason you have to have your phone readily available, and plenty of evidence it’s good to be away from it.
It’s not like they need to get to their phones to tell their parents there’s an active shooter on campus. 😐
We’ve had a similar ban in the Netherlands for a year or two now. Mobile phones were already not allowed in classes. Kids seem to have survived.
Brazil did it a while ago. Nobody died [yet]
Some kids have medical issues and need a phone to monitor their health or text family for advice and help since they may be young. It’s also nice to track the kids with their phone when they’re walking too and from school.
Right. Kids used to die like flies back in the day when there were no smartphones.
Jesus Christ exaggerating what I said like talking to a trump voter
Some minority of kids can be exempted. You’re the one exaggerating
We did not even have dumb phones … somehow we still survived …
Yea but now we do. And not every one did survive
That you know of
See everyone, It’s not just us Americans! The French are doing stupid things too!
It’s a joke, don’t write in.
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there is no “the” answer but it can be part of an answer.
I do sometimes think there is a bit of hand-wringing that happens where people glom onto the most visible sign of changing times and blame it for things that probably aren’t as different as the adults think, but by the same token most schools in richer countries have screens everywhere with school-related interconnectivity and even tools that are not unlike social media.
I see very little downside here, even if it may not result in some magic rebirth of older forms of social interaction. It seems like the major benefit from the French pilot programs was “improved atmosphere,” in which case it’s still better than nothing. Having a period when kids are learning to deal with small-group dynamics is not a bad thing, and neither is taking “dealing with phone bullshit” off the teachers’ plates.
I think it is fine but we also need lessons to properly interact with the technology. Scams, fraud, disinformation and checking sources were handled very abstractly at best and archaic at worst.
Gen alpha is significantly worse than prior generations on tech. Them having their phones on them doesn’t teach them, they consume on the lowest level. They don’t learn the actual Internet skills prior generations had to to survive.
It is. Phones are the #1 distractor in school
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day-dreaming isn’t intrinsically bad. People do need time to think about stuff, and have their mind drift from topic to topic. Some modern teaching practices advocate deliberate “brain breaks” for students.
The issue with phones isn’t so much that students are sometimes off task, but rather that the phone consumes their attention entirely. It uses up the students’ useful concentration as well as their ‘rest’ time.
My classrooms banned phones so I played games on my graphing calculator or did the old fashioned drawing.
Smart. Anything to avoid learning!
It’s not enough that they need to work all year and deal with angry parents over every F. Now they need to be infotainment competing for attention with anything a kid can find on their cell phone.
It’s necessary. Phones are far worse than prior to phones, and I’ve seen both sides of it.
Boring lessons is a fact of life. People need to realize that not all education can be interesting. Sometimes you gotta suck it up, sit down, and learn. And I say this as someone with crippling adhd
This is not about socialization lmfao. different topic.
Good. Boredom is the key to learning. Well it should be interesting on it’s own, but take what you got.
Of course the manner of learning in most schools is not ideal, kids find it boring for a reason, but without distraction they might latch onto some bits of information just to survive the class.
Maybe if school wasn’t 95% time filing garbage and busywork. I’d take a crashcourse video over what they served in school any day and hour of the week.
Boredom is the key to learning something it’s just very likely that it won’t be the thing school is trying to teach. Especially if the thing school is teaching is the thing boring you.
This mentality is why I almost failed higbschool. Boredom fails us who need to be constantly invested.
Yeah, different education methods should be used for different learning capabilities. I’m thankful my teachers in elementary school quickly learned that as long as you kept me busy with new info or math problems I would be happy.
So schools would suddenly become rehab treatment centers ? What a freaking timeline.
Maybe you should fix the systematic problem instead of doing surface level fixes that impact the freedom and mobility of minors.
This is solving a systematic problem. The problem of social media companies having free reign to make kids addicted. This will give french kids more freedom to think and do actual things with their life.
Wouldn’t no phomes increase mobility since parents cant trqck their location
Good on you France!
I hope more countries start realizing how important this is. We have more than enough evidence demonstrating the damage that comes from being permanently connected, or even online for more than a couple hours per day, and minors are taking the worst of it because they are developing under those conditions.
The cover image for this piece smells AI generated
I suppose it is possible the submitter used AI uncredited, but I doubt it. For one thing, there are other images of the same models in the artist’s page. Second, the state of AI image generation when this was submitted (June 2023) was pretty terrible for things like this.
More likely is that the image “looks like AI” to you because most image generation models were trained on Common Crawl, which includes at least tens of thousands of curated (royalty-free) images. In other words, AI models generate images that look like stock photos because that is what they know how to generate.
Eh, checking out the source (Drazen Zigic via Getty Images), he seems legit.
I can’t believe it wasn’t like that since the beginning.
How is it not one of the many distracting things they would ban immediately?Some definitely tried. I got suspended in middle school because I forgot to turn my phone on silent and it went off in class. They had a “zero tolerance” policy, so it didn’t matter that it was an accident
I think it has to do with the Columbine school shootings.
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Good, you don’t need smart phones in school
For anyone screeching that you do: No. You don’t.
We’ve been without smart phones for millenia, literally, and we were fine without. You will be fine without.
We’ve been without a lot of things for millennia
Uh huh, and we can do without the bad things
For me school was a great way to learn almost nothing of any use while occupying 11 years of my life with pointless time filing busywork that I hated every hour, minute and each and every eternal second of of. The only thing worse than school has been work and my consolation is that at least it’s not forever!
Aaahhh yes, you’re one of those people that just knew English grammar right at birth. I envy you! I guess that things like history, math, geography, economics, computers, it all was just already in your head and you didn’t need to lean anything. Wowowow
I’m not saying that, I’m saying most of that time was wasted. I got very little for the 20’000 hours and most of my youth. In fact the overwhelming majority of what I kmow I got from the internet after class.
I don’t know what to tell you, it sounds to me that that statement says more about your and or your specific school than in general.
Yeah, the teaching could have been better, everything can be better, that doesn’t mean that everything is useless. You are talking to me by writing, you learned grammar yet you claim you got almost nothing. It’s weird
Well I’m not saying everything is useless nor expressing an opinion about the sum of all students’ experience, only my observation of the factory-like mass reproduction of teaching. It’s one size fits all nature, it’s lack of concerm for the subjective experience of students, it’s time-filling dilution of knowledge, its inability to help anyone outside of normal but its obligation to drag them over the finish line anyway, its belief that people in front are somehow gifted and can wait for the rest to catch up or be put in gifted or delayed groups instead (without regards for the social consequences). Its narrow range of interests, its flattening incuriosity, its concern over production of employee rather than citizens. Its unending wasting of my youth back when minutes felt like hours. Its reality falling so far short of its promises.
I’m sorry if your education sucked, I guess not everyone can win, but don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater
You wish you would have been home schooled?
To be honest I’m disappointed we haven’t seen more progress into “VR schools” yet. Where you are fully submerged into a learning experience. While your blood is constantly analyzed and drugs to increase concentration and energy levels are dispensed. Ok maybe not the last part.
I wish it didn’t waste most of my youth
Well who doesn’t once they get older haha. But I seriously wish I wouldn’t have had a laptop or smartphone with keyboard and typed everything I learned as a question / answer flashcard. So I can review them. Some kind of flow inducing learning environment. Of course everyone learns differently, but I imagine there are huge gains possible with software and learning courses with current technology.
And yet here you are writing English.
You take what you’ve been given for granted.
That doesn’t take even 1% of 11 years
No, but everything else combined does. You wouldn’t even be able to perform basic multiplication tasks without school, let alone solve more complex problems. School teaches you the basics for higher education, be it Uni or vocational school.
we didnt have clean drinking water either, or daily showers, we lived without soap for millenia
Lol, we definitely have had clean drinking water for far longer than we have had dirty drinking water, thank the industrial revolution for that. And try skipping a shower for a day - you’ll be fine. Soap also has a long history https://www.soaphistory.net/soap-history/ over 4000 years
So literally wrong on all three points. Perhaps you need to read more instead of doom scrolling and swapping nudes on your smartphone
“So literally wrong on all three points. Perhaps you need to read more instead of doom scrolling and swapping nudes on your smartphone” This made me feel like I was on reddit not lemmy lmao
Old habits die hard. But the most teenager comment I have seen on lemmy needed a rebuttal
I’m pretty sure there can be other bad stuff in water that existed before the industrial revolution
Sure, loads of sewage. But it also had smaller settlements, less people, and human waste was recycled more in times gone by too. Far more water was far more drinkable even 150 years ago
You have died of dysentery.
Motherfucker how long do you think humans have been around for? Okay, sure, soap has been around for like 6k years, wow, such a long time. Modern humans have been fumbling around figuring shit out like an untrained ai model for the last 60k-160k years. Quick math shows us that for somewhere between 54k and 154k years of our history as a species, no soap. MILLENIA!
Drinking water: you’re making a distinction between clean, as in unpolluted by chemicals and other substances, and cleaned drinking water, which has been processed by humans to make it fit to drink with a lower risk of causing illness. Clean water has obviously been around for eons, but cleaned water, as I believe OP was describing, is a much more modern concept.
Showers: “try skipping a shower for a day”? Motherfucking neckbeard no, shower every fucking day. Try it, people might find you somewhat less repulsive until you open your mouth.
To get back on topic: I bet you pull your phone out at the urinal
I wanna preface this with I had a small keyboard slide phone in school, not a smart phone by today’s standards, but I am firmly against this archaic mentality.
It doesn’t address the elephant in the room, classrooms have become painstakingly boring. There is no real incentive for the student to actually do well anymore, or even pay attention. This is exclusively for the k-12 system though, as the issues seem to have become non-existent entering the college and university system. I went from being a solid D/C student in high-school to being an A/B+ student going into college
I spent my time in grade school fucking around and barely paying attention, this was without a smart phone. I couldn’t keep focused on the class subjects, and so therefore I gave up. The college system has the process down-packed, it’s laid back, not hours on end in a row learning useless shit you won’t need, and you have the freedom to either listen or don’t, there isn’t the constant pressure from professors “You are failing you need to do better” like in high school. Plus the professors seem actually happy to be there and they make the content more enjoyable, its not just droning on and on on a subject.
The only things removing a phone from a classroom is going to do is remove a potential learning tool, and just annoying your students even further. If your student doesn’t want to learn, removing items isn’t magically going to make the kid learn. Make it entertaining, do something OTHER than this stupid info cram shit where you just regurgitate information constantly. There is zero incentive on almost every subject you learn to actually want to learn it. You don’t learn any type of life skills, you don’t learn anything for your career/future. Hell they don’t even teach cursive anymore. My sister couldn’t even read a physical clock entering 7th grade. They don’t teach it. But you can bet things like “what happens in the 16th century” will be taught, or what basic cell structure is (I couldn’t tell you, I forgot all that info leaving that class room).
Like I get needing to know history, and basic mathematics, but the current schooling system is a overburdened plug of useless information for society. Everyone knows it, everyone lies to their kid saying things like “yea you will definitely need to know what beware the ides of march means in life”. If things were taught that people knew would be useful in life (or at the very least explained HOW it would be), and it wasn’t just a professor saying “ok class open your book, this is the lesson” for 3/4 of the year, you might have a better student attention span.
We oughtta send the kids to the mines again, god forbid they might discover something they never knew they’d like studying at school.
Yeah who needs the wheel either? We survived 450,000 years without it. And don’t get me started on paper. Paper can be used to make paper airplanes or spitballs. What a distraction! Kids should chisel their assignments onto stone slates like our ancestors did.
If wheels could brainwash a kid, completely distract them, and make them throw a tantrum when you take it away then we might have to worry about them.
Literally anything can distract kids and make them throw a tantrum when you take it away. Have you ever met a child?
You’re being purposely obtuse.
Yeah you’re right. Young children are renowned for their vast attention spans, or at least they used to be before cell phones were invented. Nobody ever passed notes, made paper airplanes, graffitied on their desks, or drew pictures in class prior to 2006.
I’m a grown ass man and I can barely get off the phone. The kids don’t stand a chance brother.
Perhaps you should get checked for adhd
Except they can, remember fidget spinners?
I understand the paper, but why do they need wheels? Why are you leaving out guns?
why do they need wheels?
Carts, busses. There’s wheels in lots of stuff.
Why are you leaving out guns?
Well, you see, unlike the wheel/paper/mini computers with built in calculators calendars document editors email and research tools, guns serve no legitimate purpose in a school.
Do they not have full sized computers? It’s dubious that there is any legitimate educational value to smartphones in schools either.
School exists to teach you how to function in society. In our society, like it or not, everyone has a cell phone. Let’s focus on teaching them to integrate this tool into their lives in a productive way.
No, you’re being facetious. Go sit in the corner.
Type 1 diabetics would like a word.
About?
That didn’t exist 20 years ago?
There are no teachers with mobile phones around?
You don’t need a mobile phone
Lots of type 1 diabetics now use their smartphones to keep track of their numbers, they use them to work out carbohydrates, the phones also warn them of high numbers and potentially fatal lows. So yes they do need phones.
The child’s phone also sends blood glucose values to family members.
Also a teacher having a mobile phone doesn’t help one iota.
For anyone screeching that you do: No. You don’t
I have a feeling that you haven’t gone to school recently lol
Educational resources are blocked that you literally cannot do your assignments without accessing. Teachers will tell you to use your phone to access it.
If you have some questions for someone who is actively in highschool right now, I’d be happy to answer :)
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Do I really need to explain this? I guess I do
I’m sure there are classes in school now that require a phone. There better be, kids need to learn how to properly and responsibly use them. Having said that, 90% of other classes never required and still do not require a phone.
Phones are an extreme distraction to the learning process and coupled with social media, harmful to the development of the brain. This is not news, this has been known for a while.
This is not fascism, this is not me trying to be a dick this is simply kids needing to be away from their phone for a few hours per day and everyone is losing their minds because OMG, how are we going to make it without phones? Such opinions alone are reason enough to ban phones in schools. Learn ti be a human being first.
People werent fine either, why dont you just google 911 calls from kids and see how many would have been better off without phones
Make school fun and not a prison and then kids don’t need phones like their office worker parents do.
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Doesn’t matter if the teacher is an absolute gem and knows how to captivate kids who want to learn. Most kids prefer the dopamine hit from social media and other phone usage compared to actually learning. It just ruins it for kids who actually want to learn.
That’s a good way to keep children from documenting and reporting abuse.
Get real bro. Phones are a massive distraction in the classroom.
Surveillance for me not for thee.
Two things can be true
Maybe normalize bringing a camera then? Photography is not banned.
The phone is a camera and more.
Seriously admit the problem is teachers can’t control the class not ban the only lifeline kids with only one parent who works has.
