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Top Trump official Stephen Miller’s recent declaration that anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.
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Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.
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The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump’s platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
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CANADA. Take note!! Get out and vote!!
I’m gonna laugh so hard if the polls are correct (Canada has less of an issue here) and Trump causes Pierre Populism to go from a majority to a minority. I’m still voting and I am encouraging everyone I know to as well.
The polls suggest a Liberal majority and PP might lose his seat.
They will cook the voting machines
Then for some reason there won’t be a hand recount
And the fascists are in charge
That’s what happened in USA
Not saying it’s impossible but highly unlikely. Votes are done by paper here still
“Veering into authoritarian territory”?! They set course for that the moment he was sworn in and floored it, have you not been paying attention?!
Since before even lol
Well before. The only thing he has been open and honest about. yet here we are.
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bell riots were a few months off but surprisingly accurate timing.
This timeline is way, way worse than the Bell Riots.
First of all, Sanctuary Districts in US cities weren’t nearly as bad as supermax prisons in foreign countries.
Second, at least they actually rioted. We’re still failing to do so, for some reason.
Can’t riot if only go outdoor twice a month to politely protest for part of a day .
Can’t organize riots in social posts.
Small groups of wealthy and influential citizens cannot ask, once more, if you will please riot.
The USA cannot riot at all right now.
It’s broken
In this context, “hate for America” really just means hate for Trump and MAGAs.
It can also mean disapproval of genocide, or having the wrong skin color, or speaking Spanish, or being gay or trans, or saying it’s OK to be gay or trans. Basically it means doing anything Nazis don’t like.
We really are deep into dear leader territory with the cabinet spending an hour jerking the president off instead of fixing the economy he drove off a cliff.
emulating russia, almost as if trump is getting his suggestions from putin, if not directly.
The whole party is a cult now. I got banned from the conservative subreddit just for asking - as a conservative myself - what conservative values they think a criminal like him is embodying. What exactly is he conserving? This man has cheated on all of his wives, is a racist, extremely egotistical, etc. He’s closer to the Antichrist than the second coming of Christ. His entire admin is just birds of a feather.
People today don’t know what conservatism is about. It is definitely left of today’s far right Republican party.
The conservative value he’s embodying is authoritarianism. That’s it; that’s what conservatism has always been ever since Burke and DeMaistre, who were literally monarchists, invented the concept.
I’m sorry that you got sold a lie, but what you thought conservatism was was never correct.
The only conservative value!
This is part of the issue.
That is the conservative platform and has been for as long as I’ve been alive, he is accurately representing them hence the lack of pushback.
That said yes he’s so very close to the anti Christ’s description it’s not even funny.
I don’t know you and I don’t want to judge or tell you what you are or sound like but from that description you’re more left of center then right.
I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative - though of course there were extremist fringes. But Trump sparked a sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism, which validated and legitimized those fringes, making them mainstream. Now, that ideology is the de facto face of conservatism. It’s depressing. I’ve considered myself a conservative Democrat since the 2015-2016 election cycle.
You’re not wrong about “conservatism” undergoing a rapid metamorphosis in the past decade, but it was only possible in the first place because republicans put party before principle, and they’ve been doing that for a long time.
In the Bush era, how many times did the “party of small government” tell you it needed to restrict abortion, regulate marriage rights, wage a war on drugs, and expand the surveillance state? There was no rhyme or reason to any of it other than culture wars and security theater, and it certainly wasn’t part of some coherent conservative ideology.
sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism,
White nationalists terrorists down to like McVey were all conservatives for reason and it isn’t love and inclusion.
I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative
No it wasn’t. Not since at least Eisenhower.
The DINOS are in on it, but they cant come against the gop, for fear of getting primaried. we know for a while manchin and sinema are just 2 of the many Dinos in the senate, hence also the reason of the lack of pushback.
It’s funny because “true conservatives” usually mean they are fiscally conservatives and if we look at Canada the most fiscally conservatives governments (i.e. the ones that ran the least deficits whole in power) are the ones on the left side of the political spectrum.
That tends to be the case in many countries because the left are under so much scrutiny they have to be very careful with budgets. The right, on the other hand, are given a pass to do all kinds of irresponsible things because they are assumed to be “fiscally responsible” and their supporters only want to hear them say “tax cut” a few times and they’re satisfied.
That and social programs are actually cost effective. Give access to education to people, they end up with better jobs and repay the investment via taxes. Give them access to healthcare, they can keep working instead of being disabled for life because they couldn’t get treatments. House them, they can find work.
For all their professed know-how with money, conservatives have never understood the idea of investing in society for a long-term return. They’re always very short-sighted.
currently conservatives, in most govt around the world, is mostly Right wing or ALT-RIGHT now.
Millers head is a pretty good size for the Luigis in the world.
Yup, America is officially a fascist state. They just admit they are full on Nazis now. Never in my lifetime I thought America will turn into that and here we are. It’s fucking wild, like I’m living in some alternate timeline of Wolfenstein The New Colossus. Just wild.
Fuck you Mr Miller. Fuck what you and yours are doing to my country. I hate it. I fucking dare you to deport me.
I hate America tbh have not stood for the anthem in over a decade.
I haven’t either. But you are stupid if you wanted to lose all we have.
I don’t, I just want to lose the Republicans. And the purists who would rather have Trump than support Harris. And people who Vape.
So we can’t criticize the country we were born and raised in without “wanting to lose all we have”? Sounds like some bootlicking bullshit to me.
Never said that. Just that you were stupid if you didn’t understand that there is a baby in the bathwater.
Yeah and Trump wants to deport it while it’s drowning.
Canada, please. 🍁
Canada, please no Poilievre.
Don’t worry, Neo Goebbels, you’ll get yours.
and don’t forget to take your kids along on your escape too, Steve.
All authoritarians are frightened pussies.
Fuck yes, I want to upvote this into existence, bright lights spelling this out right outside of this shit bird’s bedroom with window
critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.
I dunno folks. we certainly don’t have any other examples of Trump policies or behavior that might support this notion. I’m glad they are just “increasingly questioning” it.
Maybe when the concentration camps start showing up on US soil that will be enough.
If they’re on US soil then no one can get in the way to prevent these people from being released, by sending them to another country it’s much more easy to say “Nothing I can do!”
Yeah and much better than having Cuban intelligence report on all your crimes against humanity in GITMO.
The media is going to question and further legitimize this fascist state right up until their networks go down because other nations are bombing us. It’s up to Americans to stop this travesty before it gets that far…”they”, ie media pundits or current crop of political leaders, are not going to do it for us.
They’re not going to be on US soil. There’s a reason the Nazis built there’s in foreign soil as well. If people are being rounded up into camps, they really have nothing to lose at that point. If you build them on US soil, you legitimately have to worry about crowds of heavily armed Americans showing up to liberate people from them. If you’re going to get sent to a camp anyway, you have nothing to lose taking up arms against them. It’s a lot more difficult to try and liberate a concentration camp in El Salvador.
So, where do we
gethave to go when they deport us? I’m Irish/Scottish from about 400 years back, so my ancestors were literally here before the USA existed. Do Igethave to go back “home”? Because I’ve always wanted to go!Your wish is granted. Half of you will be mailed to Ireland, the other half to Scotland.
Yeah I don’t think it’ll be funny anymore when you’re on a plane to El Salvador.
The fact that we have nowhere to be deported to is literally the point.
CECOT concentration camp.
Oh they will simply ship you to El Salvador like everyone else.
The only constitution the fascists care about is the Rapist’s daily constitutional.
They sift through his soiled diapers each day like oracles reading the tea leaves.
(I’m so sorry for forcing that image into your head)
anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation
welp that’s most of my posts
If you live in the USA, protect your privacy any time you post something. Lemmy might be even worse than Reddit when it comes to privacy since it’s impossible to wipe all your data (while Reddit can be forced to do so by anyone “in Europe”).
It’s cute you think Reddit ever actually deletes anything
Europe doesn’t mind fining big corporations that want to operate on their territory without following their laws.
+ Reddit monopolized the access to it’s data. There everyone with an instance can vacuum up every post\comment\vote. Only PMs and credentials are between you and your admin. I prefer everyone to have access rather than the highest bidder, but it means there’s no safeguard of said bidding, and users should be aware of it and pick an according mode of interacting there.
Personally, I love this country. I fought for it. I will not bow to fascist twats such as this.
I believe that is where the second amendment comes into play.
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I, too, love what the USA should be and can be. This is my home, they are my people. I am staying right here.
I’ve never for a second planned on going anywhere but if they want to try and deport me I’ll happily spit in the faces of all my relatives who act like this shit would never happen and leftists are full of it for saying it would. It’s fucking happening. It’s fucking happening right now.
I fucking hate it here but I can’t get a job abroad that’ll sponsor me. This is my home. But it’s a dump rolling towards a cliff. Get me out.
This nation was birthed in blood and has existed parasitically on the global south for over 250 years. It is a fascist ethno-nationalist state that exists only to consume and destroy.
The more history I learn, the more I am disgusted and horrified by the place I call home. Trump is exactly what this country deserves. If he brings the whole project crashing down, its no less than we all deserve.
The U.S. government is one thing. The people who live here are another.
We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country. Blaming people for where they come from is prejudice, plain and simple.
Yes, Americans can be frustrating. Many seem unaware of what their country does beyond its borders. Many have failed to demand change. But instead of writing them off, we should ask why that is.
The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history. From the moment they’re born, they’re fed myths about freedom, greatness, and endless growth—while being isolated, overworked, and misled. Their ignorance isn’t always a choice. Often, it’s something that’s been done to them.
So instead of condemning them, let’s choose compassion. Let’s challenge the system that raised them this way—and reach out to those willing to see through the lies.
Real change means building solidarity, not more division. Speak the truth. Share knowledge. Offer empathy. That’s how we turn a misled population into a powerful force for transformation.
We should never judge someone just because they were born in a certain country.
Broadly speaking, I agree. But at some point, we have to recognize the US government a corrupt extension of the American consumer culture. State agents, state media, and public-private partnerships that employ millions of people all operate to extract the wealth of occupied territories on pain of blockade, bombardment, sabotage, and assassination of popularly elected leadership.
This isn’t just “Donald Trump is a bad dude”. It’s multi-national industrial manufacturers, globe-spanning banks, and militarily-embedded data firms all operating as a unit to compel the entire globe to pay fealty to the US financial system. Trump just got greedy and squeezed way too hard.
The truth is, they’ve grown up inside one of the most powerful propaganda systems in history.
Propaganda is like rabbies. It turns nice people into slobbering monsters over a long enough exposure time. And then they spread it by biting their friends and neighbors, until the whole community is frothing. Its horrifying to witness and you feel pity for anyone subjected to infection. But you can’t just wave away a rabid dog as a victim. Neither can you wave away a QAnon cultist or a blood thirsty Zionist.
The good news is that nothing cuts through propaganda like material conditions. And while the Great Depression was shit for American quality of living, it worked wonders on American politics. Perhaps a downturn will awaken more Americans from the Individualist fantasy and reawaken the kind of mutual aid and community building that we so desperately need.
Real change means building solidarity, not more division.
Real change means finding people who can work with you and dedicating time and energy to build a new kind of organization. Right now, the only people with the luxury of time, capital, and resources to build movements are extremists on the right. And the reason they have that glut of resources is due to their blood-sucking grip on the rest of the planet.
One upshot of Trump’s tariffs is that he’s (unwittingly) cutting the Musks and Thiels and Dimons and Mercers off from the wellspring of dirt cheap foreign materials and domestic lumpen labor. That creates some opportunity for Americans who aren’t awash in blood money to begin organizing in earnest opposition.
You’re absolutely right to draw the distinction between criticizing systems of power and recognizing the ways those systems shape and limit ordinary people. The U.S. government, as it exists, is undeniably an imperial and extractive entity, and its global reach is felt through violence, finance, media, and tech alike. But that same system also crushes many of the people within its own borders—economically, intellectually, and spiritually.
The analogy to rabies is powerful but tricky. Yes, propaganda can infect people with hate, fear, and delusion. But if we begin to see our neighbors only as rabid dogs, we risk becoming cynical and cruel ourselves. A QAnon believer isn’t the same as a policymaker at the Fed or a war planner at the Pentagon. One is sickened by ideology; the other wields it with intent.
I fully agree that material conditions can break the spell—and that crises can clarify things. But that clarity won’t lead to solidarity unless we create the groundwork now. The far-right is already doing this—they’re building networks, feeding people, offering meaning. If we wait for collapse to act, we’re just ceding more ground.
The real task isn’t just to oppose the empire—it’s to build a counter-power that can replace it. That starts by reaching out to the people closest to us, even the ones we’re tempted to write off, and giving them something stronger than fear and conspiracy: a vision, a purpose, a role in something bigger.
We need to organize not just against, but for—for community, for care, for justice. And yeah, maybe even for a future where nobody needs to grow up inside a machine that trains them to be obedient or cruel. That’s a future worth fighting for
Yes, propaganda can infect people with hate, fear, and delusion. But if we begin to see our neighbors only as rabid dogs, we risk becoming cynical and cruel ourselves.
If we see them as misguided innocents, we’re going to be in for a rude awakening when they rat us out to the El Salvadorian kidnap vans. At some point, liberals need to recognize this isn’t a coffee-shop debate. It’s a matter of self-defense. Organizing means building networks of trust and support. That means taking people into confidence when they tell you their views on Palestine. That means locking arms with people who may not express the gender printed on their birth certificates. That may eventually extend to having a neighbor hide in your attic while you stare down the police. And if you’ve opened your front door to “I’m just following the law” / “They shouldn’t be here anyway” fash-curious centrists and conservatives, what kind of organization do you think you’re building?
The real task isn’t just to oppose the empire—it’s to build a counter-power that can replace it.
A counter-power that rises to the point of defiance of authority. That level of opposition requires real material support and genuine sincere trust. You don’t get that without some degree of ideological orthodoxy.
There’s a test I’ve discovered as a standard issue when a retail establishment is hiring. One of the questions you get asked is some variation of “Would it be wrong to take a single penny from the cash register if <insert compelling reason here>?” And if you answer “Yes”, you’re immediately disqualified for the job. This kind of ideological rigidity is common in the commercial sector because acknowledging certain fundamental standards is central to trusting the people you put in charge of your business resources. Expecting any less from an activist political organization is foolhardy.
Why does the wage worker at McDonald’s deserve an even shittier life? You all think that if America gets punished they will learn their lesson.
Why does the wage worker at McDonald’s deserve an even shittier life?
Because that worker has not unionized with their coworkers and organized with their apartment neighbors to reclaim their surplus labor from their landlords.
The US is still an extraordinarily rich country. But the wealth is congealed in the hands of a tiny fraction of the total population. If you’re in the service sector and you want your fair share, you need to start pulling back on the revenue streams you are closest to. By any means necessary.
Do you believe people choose to be ignorant of what they should be doing? Blaming oppressed people for being ignorant shifts blame from those with overt power and the systems they serve. Either the system is unjust because it keeps people impoverished, which includes their ability to make better decisions, or the people deserve whatever system they operate under. If this is a matter of people getting what they deserve, then the system is just.
Do you believe people choose to be ignorant of what they should be doing?
It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It.
Blaming oppressed people for being ignorant shifts blame from those with overt power and the systems they serve.
I don’t blame oppressed people for being ignorant. I blame selfish and self-conscious people for abandoning their neighbors in time of need. Individualism is a choice. Saying “it’s not my problem” and looking the other way is a choice.
the people deserve whatever system they operate under
People deserve whatever system they facilitate. You don’t get to “just following orders” your way out of culpability.
Wage slaves deserve a better life. “America” is not going to give it to them.
We need to ratchet this up, actually. Not just those who hate America. but those who have publicly declared in the last 12 years that America is anything less than great. Citizen or not, if we have record of you declaring America is not great, I want you gone. Start with the ones who said it loudest and to the biggest crowds.
So, all politicians? Lol
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