And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:
Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).
If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.
Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”
I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.
So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!
You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation
On bans and censorships:
https://lemmy.world/post/30665418
https://lemmy.world/post/30876228
https://lemmy.world/post/31090903
https://lemmy.world/post/31329952
https://lemmy.world/post/31368129
https://lemmy.world/post/29490804
https://lemmy.world/post/29507466
https://lemmy.world/post/29878102
https://lemmy.world/post/29980157
https://lemmy.world/post/28480760
https://lemmy.world/post/28481615
https://lemmy.world/post/28482147
https://lemmy.world/post/28480936
https://lemmy.world/post/28482273
https://lemmy.world/post/28481272
https://lemmy.world/post/28481064
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/30843744
https://lemmy.world/post/28275465
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
“concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
“The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it’s actually a good thing a state has that much power!” ~Tankies of .ml https://lemmy.world/post/30010789
Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763
Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
Update 6/1/2025 - adding additional links since original post
Update 6/14/2025 - adding additional links since last edit
I frequently look up 2 different .ml users posts and comments just for their delusional content XD
I’m kinda still new here, so thanks for the info! I think I’ve figured out how to block the instance, but is there a guide on blocking or something or a way to check?
Block OP and you will never see these kinds of posts again. OP is a butthurt troll which does nothing but rage against ml all day.
Blocking you would be a far more productive thing to do. cm0002 isn’t a troll, but you sure are. Always bringing the dumbest, most idiotic takes to every discussion.
Block OP and lemmy becomes a ghost town
I would wager 90% of his content is Reddit reposts and the other 10% is anti .ml hate raiding.
You cannot block an entire instance in Lemmy today. The best you can do is block seeing posts from that instance in your timeline. The users are still free to send you death threats. The Lemmy devs have promised this feature later in the year, but given how it will likely be used against their .ml instance most liberally, and they will have fewer victims to attack, I am dubious it ever gets released.
Usually clients have some option to do it but the steps might be different based on what client you’re using.
Right now I’m on Voyager for example and if let’s say I wanted to block your instance I could click your profile and click the options. One of the options on that screen is “View Instance” and from there I have the option to block the instance.
There’s also post filters but I know a lot less about setting those up. But iirc one of the things you can filter posts by is the instance the post comes from.
I feel sorry for you that this is how you spend your free time.
Lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ we all have our hobbies bro, don’t hobby-shame
Do you look down upon journalists? What cm is doing isn’t much different than journalism. They’re collecting evidence, bringing attention to and exposing wrongdoing to the public, just on a smaller platform.
depends on which journalist, working for MSMs i wouldnt take thier articles genuine.
I just block every site and user with that ending that I see. I’ve been banned on almost any of their sites anyway.
Lemmy .ml is partly why I switched to an instance which defederates them. The admin and mod behavior over there is gross. If it weren’t run by the Lemmy devs it would be widely blocked.
You know, the differing opinion isn’t so bad. It’s that they’re such pricks.
well put. and every Marxist-Leninist I’ve met irl has been cool, these pricks are either misrepresenting the entire movement or doing it in the worst, most alienating, factually challenged kind of way.
if the opinion is annoying and doesnt provide constructive conversations, opinions almost one-sided anyways and holds bias, i always block them if they become annoying.
What’s the easiest way for me to block and hide it?
Option 1: Move to an instance that doesn’t federate with them, like lemmy.cafe.
Option 2: Go to the settings page on the website, and block the instance. This will stop you from seeing comms on that instance, but you will still see comments and posts by their users in other comms.
Option 3: Client-specific. If you’re using another client besides the default website, most of them have some way to block and hide all users from an instance as well, usually somewhere in the settings.
Thanks!!
They make it extremely difficult, while still remaining on Lemmy.
PieFed makes it trivially easy. As do the older apps Sync and Connect. Otherwise you are looking at something like a custom Ublock Origin filter rule, or starting your own instance (or joining one that has already defederated from them, which almost none do).
The “instance block” is sadly misnamed as it does not block the instance, nor its users, and would be better thought of as a community mute.
PieFed is awesome for other reasons - it has a ton of features that Lemmy lacks, and is even working on features that Reddit itself did not bother with (notice how all of its features for the last many years were designed solely to increase profits, rather than enhance user experiences?). Its being built using Python rather than the extremely difficult to use Rust is really catapulting its development into overdrive.
This just made me realise my feed is just that bit cleaner and there’s so much less news, it’s actually quite calming.
yes same, its just them whining, much like con posts do the same.
Russia won ww2 get over it
Really funny you had to make another account just to troll because .ml is blocked by so many
It really is hilarious. They can’t resist the urge to try and spread their filth outside of their instance, and get laughed at and shit on every single time.
Ahh is this why I’ve seen a noticeable uptick in shitty responses in threads? I should check their instances more often. I’ve definitely seen a lot of grad/bear bullshit lately.
and ML. its almost always like cons instant, constant whining of the state of things.
could you pls put the exclamation marks on the links to those posts in the same way you did for !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ?
thanks for this concise list of stuff .ml has done btw
Edited, but I wasn’t aware it was needed for direct posts URLs, does it not work on your client if there’s no exclamation mark?
You had it right originally. You can’t do what he’s asking for, which is unfortunately something that Lemmy doesn’t support today. See my response to him. The exclamation syntax lets you make a link that, when viewed by viewers on different home instances, will take them to a view of that community on their own home instance. Can’t be done (today, anyway) for posts or comments, which is what you’re linking to.
LMAO ah the intricacies of Lemmy lol
Voyager keeps Lemmy links in app. What problem are you experiencing with that?
He can’t.
Unfortunately, lemmy only supports instance-agnostic links (like, that are written to link to a user’s own home instance) to a community. It has no syntax permitting for this with links to posts or comments.
If you’re using Firefox, you can install the Instance Assistant for Lemmy & Kbin, and it will modify pages on non-home instances to have a button in the right sidebar that will take you to the post on your home instance. With that, after you follow a link to a non-home-instance post, you can bounce to the corresponding post on your home instance.
so thats why ive been seeing so much communist propaganda lately
For sure, I only want to see capitalist propaganda.
Then make a .world account and look at local posts
Capitalist propaganda, also known as reality
Wut? Reality fits no ideology. If it did, it wouldn’t be an ideology, just reality. If capitalism ever worked as intended. It hasn’t been since the 19th century. And I think that’s a pretty specious claim itself. Leninism hasn’t made good on it’s claims either. They both suck and have been disproven. Society has changed, technology has changed. Perhaps it’s time to try something new?
That’s true, reality has no ideology.
But in reality, capitalist countries like America, Canada, Germany, South Korea, and so on, are prosperous.
Meanwhile, look at communist countries, Russia, China, Cuba. They all are shitholes.
look at communist countries, Russia
Russia stopped being a part of the Soviet Union around 35 years ago. Capitalist reform (more specifically ‘shock therapy’) led to huge increases in child mortality, the establishment of mail-order brides and child prostitution, and the rise of its oligarchs. Things were so bad in the 90s and early 2000s that someone as horrible as Putin was considered an improvement, that’s how bad capitalism was for Russia.
I am critical of China, it has serious problems, but I don’t understand how someone can call it a shithole (and not say the same about America). Let alone suggesting one of the biggest economies in the world is not prosperous. It’s not the 80s anymore. There are valid critiques but that’s not one of them - if anything the ‘communist states’ are renowned for rapidly transforming multiple pre-industrial backwaters into world superpowers.
South Korea is an odd choice, given it’s already up to its Sixth Republic due to various coups and dictatorships and, if I’m not mistaken, its last three presidents were impeached.
None of them aren’t communist, most of them aren’t shit holes either. Just traditionally way more oppressive than the US. Though we’re racing to catch up.
Your just parroting the same propaganda the rest of us grew up with. Again not saying Russia and China are good. But if you think Russia and China etc are shitholes. Outside of the heavy social repression I’d like to know what differentiates them from us.
cuba you can’t really draw any conclusions from because they continue to exist despite a blockade by the largest economy in the world
that tends to fuck you up
“We can’t trade with one capitalist country, therefore our economy has collapsed” is not a stunning refutation of capitalism.
I’m more inclined to believe that Cuba’s well-documented internal economic problems are to blame rather than regarding it as necessary for a socialist state to be supported by capitalists in order to exist at a decent standard of living.
it wasn’t meant to be a refutation of capitalism… all i’m saying is that there are significant confounding factors that have very little to do with the issue at hand, so that particular example shouldn’t be used as a refutation of communism
There is plenty of capitalist shitholes as well.
Russia is no longer communist. China is communist only in name.
Or, and bare with me here, neither. I don’t think a single person here would miss a Beat if tomorrow all ml instances along with exploding heads / hilariouschaos and any other kin instances to them all just disappeared.
exploding heads fortunately fucked off.
Sort of. Apparently hilarious chaos has direct lineage.
from my understanding, exploding heads people largely went to nostr, but once they realised there was no one but annoying crypto people there some went back to the fediverse. They chose HC because they claimed to be politically neutral.
HC wasn’t supposed to be explicitly conservative, an admin said they made it because they liked lemmy’s apps, and it was originally on wordpress.Of course, trying to appear politically netural almost always ends up favoring conservatives.
Not exactly. It isn’t strongly tied to conservatives in any way. No one can be politically neutral. But what we generally refer to political neutrality is simply adopting the language and position of those largely in charge. While not challenging them. Whether they are Fascist conservatives oppressive leninists Etc. Powerful groups often demand neutrality on their terms. Whereas if you govern well. Your violent radicals believe that Wednesday is the best day to eat cupcakes while the normal people believe it’s Tuesday. And they will give you a talking to should you disagree. But nothing serious.
I’m a lemmy.ml user and I can confirm you won’t see any communist propaganda on our instance. Communism was defined by Marx as stateless, and is therefore counterrevolutionary bourgeois propaganda. Us Marxist-Stalinists only support authoritarian socialism. If anyone tells you .ml is communist, they’re spreading lies to make us look bad.
and is therefore counterrevolutionary bourgeois propaganda. Us Marxist-Stalinists only support authoritarian socialism
You don’t see the problem with openly admitting you’re a horrible person?
Seems the joke flew right over your head…
It reads entirely unironically like shit I see said on .ml, so I don’t give them the benefit of the doubt
That’s fair.
also using communist buzzwords as well.
Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I’ve been exposed to has dramatically dropped.
you can instance block, just foundout by going to SETTINGS>BLOCKS> scroll down all the way to the instance option and block them there.
I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.
You can block the users too! At least on connect, and I think on voyager as well.
i started blocking a ton of ml users, i was wondering why they kept showing up, thier posts keeps appearing on my feed until i blocked the instance.
I’m on boost and it doesn’t have that option (I think)
You can do it one user at a time, I don’t think you can block all of them.
I just instance blocked them
How do?
On the website, you can go to your profile and there should be a list of blocked instances you can add them to
im on the browser, so you can go to: profile>settings> BLOCKS tab> scroll down and you will see the instance option.
In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can’t support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.
Are women bourgeois?
I really need to play disco elysium
You see comrade everyone gets their assigned gender in the gender line at the age of 10, is simple no?
Read this in a shitty Russian accent that is slowly becoming a vaguely Ukrainian accent because I have played too much Stalker.
Can you link to that?
just a post about nutomics post, but at least there is a screenshot:
https://lemmings.world/post/23484515
Nutomic is .ml, not doing much moderation is an excuse probably because he has underlings to do it for him.
but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
Having taken donations for similar shit before: isn’t that illegal if they aren’t open about it? Had I done that with my donated money I’d have been sued out my fucking ass
@nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there
Having observed a few different types of small team dynamics in my time, my speculation from a distance is that nutomic is the sensible one who does the bulk of the actual work, and dessalines is the other one.
He kind of has my sympathy and I do like Lemmy as software and it is clearly a good thing, but at the same time, at this point in the world if someone on your team is working to silence anyone who talks about Russia in unflattering terms, you can go fuck yourself as far as I am concerned. I am happy their instance is failing and I hope it keeps on failing until they stop doing legwork for murder, tyranny, rape, and torture. Honestly, “I wish my internet place had more users and people didn’t make fun of me so much” is a pretty mild negative consequence to experience from that.
Nutomic thinks trans people are bourgeois propaganda
Given how the tankie mind works, that probably means that they are actually russian propaganda.
Lol good point
I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there
I’m in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea
but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
LMAO “Don’t directly to me and you won’t have to worry about it! Butttt it’ll still go to the exact thing you’re opposed to.”
Glavset must be tightening its belt.
If we all stop donating to Lemmy just because the devs are being tankies, how will Lemmy survive?
I don’t want to go back to the bot-ridden reddit with its elon-simping CEO.
That’s a fair question, and maybe we should be concerned. They’re already saying development will stop without more donations.
There are alternatives. Projects have died or been forked before because of the actions of their developers. OrganicMaps comes to mind (they are both a fork of something, and recently a new fork was started to detach from the developers (I can’t think of the name).
I’m just one person, but I’m not going to give .ml any financial support, you can be sure of that.
If the devs being tankies kills this space then it doesn’t matter.
I like Lemmy too, but i don’t like it enough to financially support transphobic fascists.
Every service or product we use is owned by powerful people far worse than the Lemmy developers.
If we all boycott lemmy and let it burn then we have go back to profit oriented bot infested social media at the end. By design lemmy isnt owned by lemmy devs and we can block their instance by a single click.
This is something i can choose to contribute to.
If I didn’t have to buy food from megacorps I wouldn’t.
How are pro-genocide fake-communists (russia is an authoritarian capitalist state, China is a capitalist society) any better than American oligarchs?
The publicly stated dictatorship instead of the still struggling democracy is the main difference.
China has a dictator who will erase you if you step out of line.
In the US I step out of line every day and am still mostly protected by free speach laws, if the fascist regime ever tries to hurt me or my family/friends I also am allowed to own guns to defend them with.
There is always another site or an community.
Also nutomic is a transphobe
https://lemmy.ml/post/18761554
Which is reason enough to not give them any money in my book
Checks the screenshots. Extremely mid take regarding sports that’s shared by a lot of people that aren’t terminally online. Transphobe, alright.
This is the idiot who was saying the Queer comm are the bourgeois and that trans women in sport are a dead cat strategy. fuck’em
“biological men” is a dead giveaway. Just because a lot of people are transphobic doesn’t mean it’s okay.
You too embarrassed to use your main to post this?
Transphobia is bullshit no matter what. Deal with it.
Cutting off funding because of political differences is stupid. Would you rather this go down the same path as Reddit?
It’s not political differences, really. Go ahead and be communist, I don’t care. It’s the heavy handed moderation style. It’s a 1 sided instance and anything to the contrary gets deleted and a time limited ban. They go against exactly what they think they stand for.
If you peddle propaganda and justify genocide and wish more genocide on the world, I side with the people you deem stupid every single time.
By the same logic you are supporting genocide by using the platform they developed. See how you can make dumb connections like that?
Just had a ml user tell me russians never did a crime against humanity since all they did was kill nazi collaborators and continue to do so today.
You are doing your mental gymnastics to side with people like that. Not a nice look .
And you are using the platform made by .ml admins so you are doing the same. I’m not condoning anyone’s politics or opinions. Just be morally consistent. If you don’t support their views then why are you using a platform they developed?
Because i was not aware those pieces of shit developed it. Because i am on a federation made by people those monsters want all to be genocided and im not paying a single dime. Thus they are working for free to improve the platform i’m on. Platform that is used to counter russian propaganda.
Lol ok bud. Maybe calm down with the rhetoric. Far left is never going to have the amount of power you think they currently have meanwhile there is an actual Nazi uprising all over the world.
(different user here)
No, but I want the funds to only be used for Lemmy development, not for their tankie server. They are the ones that make it impossible to do one without the other.
Ok have fun going back to reddit then when the platform becomes abandonware.
Ooor I can make it clear where I draw the lines, and hopefully get the developers not to spend the donations on their tankie server. Weird how that works, right?
Guess you can’t draw the line at using the platform they developed however.
And why should I? Can you make an argument for how using their platform is supporting their tankie server on a comparable level to sending them money?
A bit hypocritical to continue benefitting off of their labor and time by using the platform but their political views is where you draw the line, yet you continue to use the platform. Maybe if you actually believed in what you said you would stop using the platform and go back to reddit. But do go on and preach from your virtue signaling high horse about how paying $30/per month for their server coet (which they use as a testing bed) is too much for you to handle.
If the political difference is between building a multistory carpark or underground carpark with a park on the ground level, sure, it’s stupid. If the political difference is “Russia does nothing wrong, Ukraine deserved to get invaded because of nazi” and “Russia is to blame for being the aggressor”, then it’s definitely not.
You’re allowed to fund propaganda machine, and people allowed to not do it.
Why are you using the propaganda delivery system they created?
I’m not using lemmy. ml
Lemmy was made by .ml admins. Why do you use Lemmy?
See you all on reddit ✌️😁
