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- news@beehaw.org
- usa@midwest.social
It appears the US congress has just proposed (edited) a bill that declares “Antifa” a terrorist organization.
This doesn’t even make sense as Antifa isn’t an organization, but just a shared name for anyone that self-identifies as a person opposed to and willing to fight fascism 🤦♂️
Stay safe out there!
Note: SLRPNK is an EU based service and we are openly Antifa here, and proudly so!
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Go for it. There’s no such thing as antifa outside the minds of chuds. There’s no organization. No roster of “members”
It’s just people who are anti-fascist as a principle. And every living WWII vet.
Reeks of McCarthyism
That won’t stop them from branding any opposition as a member of antifa to justify terrorism charges. This is alarming because it is a step in systematically suppressing opposition.
Ding ding ding. Winner winner. The fascism playbook requires persecution of an “outside” group. Antifa is a backup if immigrants doesn’t work. Or if they don’t like someone who isn’t an immigrant.
My money on the first person prosecuted under Antifa-as-a-Terrorist-Org rule: AOC
Any guesses?
Yeah, such as people going to antifa meetings, people wearing antifa symbols, people posting they support antifa online and then proceeding to join protests in person from an antifa Facebook or discord or telegram group, then starting fires.
You really think claiming to be a headless organization is just a get out of jail free card?
“I’m a pacifist, I wear pacifist symbols, support pacifism online, and I joined a protest advertised on a pacifist Facebook group.”
Pacifism isn’t an organization. There are specific pacifist organizations that could individually be targeted, but there’s no such thing as the “pacifism” organization, any more than there’s a general “antifa”.
Anyone can start a Facebook group, grandpa
You sound like one of those people who whined about integration
Anti-fascism is popular. Big fuckin shocker there.
Nonsense, I was at the head office of Antifa North America Legion just the other day!
The new big red boogeyman
Are you now, or have you ever been, a Lemming?!
So antifa has a leader and a headquarters now? Is there a secret handshake? Dang. Nobody tells me anything.
As the democratically elected CEO of Antifa I’m surprised you didn’t know about the Nazi Puncher Dab-Up
The address was on my W2, I’m not sure what you’re complaining about.
They opened up next to Anonymous.
I need to ask my buddy 4chan to fill me in.
Everyone knows that 4chan is just you, me, and that other guy.
I don’t count. I’m a bot.
So in America anti-fascists are terrorists and murderous insurrectionists are heroes. Their forefathers must just be spinning in their graves.
Our forefathers owned slaves. 🙄
And yet even with that, they were still against authoritarians like we have now. We are objectively worse than slave owners.
They barely allowed anyone to vote! What the fuck are you talking about?
You must admit they were anti-monarchist genocidal patriarchal slave owners, which you must also admit is an improvement over monarchist genocidal patriarchal slave owners and pretty woke compared to everything else Europe was doing at the time.
Until the French decided to show people how a revolution is really done.
stop butchering woke to mean the opposite of what it does. woke means being aware of racial oppression and white supremacy from a Black perspective, which is the opposite of what colonizer governments did
I can admit they were historically progressive in the same way that capitalism was historical progress from feudalism, but I’m not going to venerate them and act like they wouldn’t approve of the modern far right.
If they were alive today they’d be extremely right wing.
Probably, yeah, most of them. That’s just how environmental determination works. You can not escape materialism, in all its implications.
But there were, for example, abolitionists among them, it’s how we can say that Jefferson and Washington were still slaving pieces of shit as it’s clear they were aware of the moral implications and simply chose the path of greatest comfort for themselves.
you must also admit is an improvement over monarchist genocidal patriarchal slave owners
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunmore's_Proclamation
Formally proclaimed on November 15, its publication prompted between 800 and 2,000 slaves (from both Patriot and Loyalist owners) to run away and enlist with Dunmore. It also raised a furor among Virginia’s slave-owning elites (again of both political persuasions), to whom the possibility of a slave rebellion was a major fear. The proclamation ultimately failed in meeting Dunmore’s objectives; he was forced out of the colony in 1776, taking about 300 former slaves with him. The 1779 Philipsburg Proclamation applied to all the colonies. During the course of the war, between 80,000 and 100,000 slaves escaped from the plantations. While Dunmore’s Proclamation freed many slaves and enlarged the size of Lord Dunmore’s army, it alienated slaveholders and caused many of them to turn against the British.
Lincoln would employ a similar gambit four score and seven years later, to a more successful end. Confederates would call him a monarchist genocidal patriarchal slave owners in response.
I don’t think it’s a bad point of order, but I do think it’s disingenuous to compare the Emancipation Proclamation from an abolitionist (and Lincoln was, no matter the spin confederates try to put on it) to a ploy by a British governor that most historians agree was a practical maneuver and not related to his beliefs on the topic.
It certainly didn’t free all slaves in the Empire, meaning the rebellion was still against another slave state. And Dunmore was himself a slaver, and would after his Proclamation buy more slaves for himself.
I do think it’s disingenuous to compare the Emancipation Proclamation from an abolitionist (and Lincoln was, no matter the spin confederates try to put on it) to a ploy by a British governor
I’d probably conflate Dunmore’s Proc with the First and Second Confiscation Acts. They both served as tools to undermine rebellious states without upsetting slavers still in their purview. The Emancipation Proclamation, and then the 13th Amendment, were expansions of the policy made afterwards by Congressmen who recognized there couldn’t practically be a thin sliver of slave-legal states in between the abolition states and the confederate ones.
It certainly didn’t free all slaves in the Empire
The UK abolished slavery in 1803, following a domestic wave of abolitionism that spilled over into the Northern US states. The abolitionist movement didn’t end at any one border. Activists recognized abolition as a global struggle, one big reason why the UK failed to align with the Confederate States despite doing a lucrative textile trade on the backs of American plantation captives.
And of course its worth noting how post-abolition colonialism largely exported the brutal practices of slavery outside the view of UK/US consumers. That doesn’t change how public disdain for slavery as a practice influenced governors like Dunmore, Kings like George III, and eventually Presidents like Lincoln to employ abolition as a weapon against political enemies.
This wasn’t one thing or another. The moral revulsion generated by slavery made slave liberation and instigated slave revolts a popular tool of foreign powers and local dissidents. The politics of abolition were never exclusively a strategic or exclusively moral decision.
But those that were allowed to vote were expected to know what the fuck was going on. Their position in society came with that expectation, and they had the time to stay up to date on events.
Our system of government is largely based on that fundamental assumption, an educated electorate. In our current system, the idiot with a room temperature IQ and never pays attention to anything political has the same voting power as someone that spends their free time following government and knows exactly what is happening, how their officials have been voting, etc.
An actually educated electorate is something we clearly no longer have, and our system of government is based on that fundamental assumption.
Our system of government was based on the assumption that only white property owning men know how to govern. The truth is, they’re as dogshit stupid as the rest of us. The Founding fathers didn’t believe in bathing! They day drank because low% beer was safer to drink than water! They thought disease was caused by bad smells instead of not washing your hands!
This country was founded by morons. Stop venerating them like a reactionary.
Well, the data does show that they managed to avoid turning the country into an authoritarian fascist state for over 200 years before we started making changes to that system without considering potential consequences from those changes. We made changes, did no study or mitigation of what might happen as a result of those changes, and here we are.
I’m not saying that everyone shouldn’t have the right to vote, far from it, but the way our voting system works with the many changes we’ve made, it has fallen apart and is easily manipulated. There’s a reason no other modern democracy uses our voting and governmental structure, it doesn’t work well with things like universal suffrage. It works just fine as it was designed, and could work if we corrected for the things we changed blindly (like changing from first past the post to a ranked choice voting system). But that would inevitably result in removing power from the inevitable two party system we created, and they can’t allow that.
Ask the natives that were rounded up into camps how non-authoritarian the US was. The Nazis were inspired by the US.
We’re a highly reformed white supremacist settler-colonial project, we’ve come a long way from our horrible Founders.
They were authoritarian against the indigenous peoples.
Either the voters wanted it, or the sit outs didn’t think it was that big a deal. That’s how they won, basically. Of course they will blame the politicians and the system for giving them bad candidates. I mean, the alternative is to take responsibility for their cluster fuck.
You’re in an anarchist community… Do you consider yourself an anarchist? Because you sound like a liberal
Holy shit you’re dumb. I’ll refrain from the obvious political associations.
Lol
Whats funny about this is that Biden continued almost all of Trumps most right-wing policies, deported more people than Trump, was ramping up enforcement on immigration, was furthering the teade war nonsense, gave more money to police and military, gave Israel hundreds of billions in genocide aid. don’t forget that Biden and desmocratic Mayors across the US were just as down to criminalize Antifa, to the point of using gang enhancements. Like you people think it’s different one way or the other, like voters were choosing between fascism and something else, when we have always been voting for pepsi or coke oligarachy and thats not a thing that’s changed. In fascism their is one state party, but instead of party our politicians are united by class and it’s always been a class war on the poor and most vulnerable people, because the rich resent that we ever had enough power to resist our own enslavement. Trump just neglects the layers of goverent and immediately implements the oligarchy agenda. The problem isn’t just Trump, watch how many democrats vote in favor of his most atrocious legislation, because there is no part of the oligarchy that is meaningfully opposing Trump. Fascism has changed slightly since the last time. It is now entirely focused on class and Trump is the dictator of his class comrades. The rest of us better get in line as slaves or he will direct his next tantrum at us. There was no voting this shit away though, this shit was coming from Democrats as much as Republicans. We are actually now juat witnessing the same limits on electoral democracy that the weimar republic did aroubd the same time last century.
Ok. Happy now?
I’m reminded of the police violence under Obama - practical on day one of his administration - and how his response was to invite the thug with a badge out for a beer.
The day after he left office, the police brutality that followed was thrown at the feet of Bernie Sanders. But we hurt weren’t supposed to acknowledge a problem white Dems were in office.
Can’t afford to be divisive.
At the end of the day the Democrats failed to make a compelling argument to enough people to win.
Talking shit about people who wanted them to be different is pretty stupid. I see this all over here and it’s basically just doubling down on some of the attitudes and holier than thou bullshit that is what lost things for us here.
FWIW I voted for them, while also wishing they were different, and being deeply upset with some of their positions. I’m not who you’re attacking, but you aren’t doing anyone any favors with that nonsense.
I don’t really care how people voted. But to blame the system for an obvious choice they should have made is a fucking cop out. Own your choices. You did. I’m talking about all the people who didn’t vote and are now surprised the country is becoming what they said it’d become. There is never an ideal choice. They should grow up and quit whining when the thing they could have stopped but didn’t because it wasn’t ideal happened. It’s like an incel waiting for a perfect mate and whining why no one will give you the time of day.
the thing people were whining about is a fucking genocide you monster
I’m very sure they’re satisfied now. Aid to Israel and plans to ship the Palestinians out. Well done!
Oh and obligatory fuck off
What, Biden wasn’t genociding hard enough so they voted for the orange fascist who everyone knew would be several orders of magnitude worse…?
Ah yes cause the fascist was gonna stop the genocide.
the blame lies squarely within the system. democrats wouldnt have stopped it and it was a matter of time.
if they expected a higher turnout, they would have just gamed it harder to win.
an obvious choice they should have made
Why have elections at all when you’re going to present people with “obvious” choices?
Biden should have simply cooronated his heir apparent. Seems like the whole election process was the mistake.
They should grow up and quit whining when the thing they could have stopped but didn’t because it wasn’t ideal happened
The deeply depressing part of this delusion is still believing Biden/Haris would have ended the Gaza genocide in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Trump landed a ceasefire day one, because he pushed back on Netanyahu ever so slightly.
Not only was ending the genocide possible, it was incredibly easy. Biden’s team just didn’t want to do it.
There was also a shit ton of voter suppression and gerrymandering that made taking both houses of congress way easier. It was a lot of things combined.
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Apparently they are actually written by an intern with the help of ChatGPT 💩
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“Bist du Antiantifa, bist du einfach FA”
Can we get a bill declaring proud boys a terrorists group?
No. Those are very fine people.
Their leader just got their sentence reduced, I think that sends a pretty clear message
Is it “US Congress” or one congressperson introducing a bill that doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passing? How long do we have to keep having meaningless articles about bills that will go nowhere before people learn the very basics of how the US government works?
Have you slept for the past few weeks? All it takes is Trump seeing this bullshit and having some shit weasel whisper in his ear for him to executive order this into reality.
This makes any protest, gathering, or conversation they don’t like into a terrorist act. They can just say one “Antifa” (OR AFFILIATED GROUP) was there and everyone is a terrorist.
Some gems:
Whereas, over the summer and fall of 2020, Portland District Attorney Mike Schmidt refused to file charges in approxi- mately 70 percent of the approximate 1,000 protest- and riot-related cases brought by police officers;
Whereas, in August 2022, Antifa ardently defended the sexualization of children by guarding a ‘‘kid-friendly’’ drag show at a North Texas distillery;
The scary bit at the end:
(1) this conduct of Antifa members, or any un- lawful conduct performed at an Antifa-affiliated demonstration, is deemed to be domestic terrorism (as such term is defined in section 2331 of title 18,5 United States Code);
(2) the House of Representatives designates Antifa, and any other affiliated group or subsidiary of Antifa, to be a domestic terrorist organization;
Neonazis, ok. Fighting against neonazis, not ok. Got it.
Important detail: It isn’t a bill that’s been passed. It’s only been introduced and referred to the judiciary committee. It’ll be bigger news if it gets out of the committee, goes to the floor, and gets passed.
Thanks for the clarification, I edited the post.
If it’s according to the US government, I have no problem with being a terrorist.
Doesn’t that mean that all NATO allies should treat Antifa as a terrorist “organization”, too?
AFAIK, NATO members need to declare terrorists as declared by another member as terrorists, too. That’s why Europe is cracking down on the PKK. Might be wrong, though.
It’s just a bottomless pit of stupidity
It’s not stupidity when Nazis declare antifascists to be terrorists.
Sure was stupid to elect him though.
I remember the day that I applied to be a member of the ANTIFA organization. It was a gorgeous day, the sun warmed my back as I walked into their headquarters, documents in hand.
I met with the president, board members and committee. They gave me a uniform, took my picture, and printed an ID.
Then, I was invited into the private group chat, which everyone in ANTIFA is in.
But, times have changed.
Since then, they sold my data, and now I get fucking Dominos Pizza coupons all day. How am I meant to fight fascism with fucking pizza.
Wait, you got dominos coupons?!
I guess its because I paid for the Premium Crush The Patriarchy package.
At least I got some free stickers.
yeah, us congress knows a thing or two about terrorism.
