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This bugs me in so many shows. Like I was just watching Daredevil and there’s this whole theme about him not killing Fisk even though Fisk is killing people all over the place while Daredevil is dropping Fisk’s henchmen like flies. Oh so it’s fine to kill lots of people who got a job to work for Fisk (who is the elected mayor), but not Fisk himself?
100%. Matt killed Foggy. Same with fucking >!Paladin on VQ!<
Imma be real with how many ways Gotham is like actually straight up just cursed by five million supernatural reasons, I don’t think “due process” is really sustainable compared to batman with a gun
Interestingly, Batman with a gun did kill the Joker in his very first appearance in the comics.
well that’s why he doesn’t kill he’s not very good at it. he’s trying his best, okay?
edit: ganbatte, bat-san. ganbatte
Imma be real
Gotham is like actually straight up just cursed by five million supernatural reasons
Pick a lane! 😄
I mean that’s canonically real in the DC universe. There’s like literally a portal to hell there and everything.
Yeah, but the notion that “there’ll always be extreme crime in Gotham because it’s cursed, so therefore Batman must murder people” is just a copout for people trying to justify him squandering his resources on punching people in stead of bettering society.
I’m capable of suspending disbelief to enjoy superhero movies, but I draw the line at the “if it was real life, he’d still be justified” arguments, is what I mean 😉
The problem is that it’s a slippery slope. Batman doesn’t want to be the type of person who kills; that’s the line he’s drawn in the sand, for better or worse. If you justify killing just the Joker, what about the next supervillain that shows up? And the next one? Suddenly you’re just killing every one of them, because it’s easier
Plus there would be a lot more public scrutiny. He gets away with a lot of shit I think partly because he doesn’t actually kill anyone. The police actually mostly work with him not against him; I think that would change if he has a huge body count
Fair. I’d argue Bruce Wayne does use his resources to help people though. Albeit, still a billionaire, so not enough, but yknow.
also it’s more like “if it was real life and there was actually just straight up a portal to hell and everything, he’d be justified because the law isn’t gonna cut it”
Isn’t “Bruce Wayne does use his resources to help people” how Azrael happened?
So yeah, about Superman suggesting Batman kill the Joker:
spoiler
In the Injustice series, the Joker takes it too far and sets things up so that Superman unwittingly kills Lois Lane and his unborn child. In return, Superman punches the Joker’s heart out. And that’s just the first issue!
Things do go a bit downhill from there admittedly.
I should clarify: in universe, not the writing or craziness.
You kill one super villain and suddenly you’re a nazi.
Anyone want to write a thesis on the role of morality and killing in HBO’s Harley Quinn series? So far it’s interesting. She doesn’t mind killing people, as long as they’re the right people, not only super villains, but polluting company’s lawyers. I think the popularity of defending the status quo, usually given to superheroes, is starting to slip away and society is beginning to celebrate villainy out of sheer desperation, as the only hope for change.
Read some of the earliest Superman comics.
He routinely went after exploiters without regard for ‘the law.’
Luigi the rich
It’s a real life trolley problem there.
By not killing the Joker Batman leaves him alive to kill more innocent people each time he escapes or hatches a new scheme.
One of the things to think about is just how much damage would be done to joker’s body over time as a non-superpowered human. Joker’s getting kicked to pieces repeatedly. He’s not getting Bruce Wayne’s concierge medical care. He’d be a maraca of bone shards after the first few beatdowns. Now, he’s crazy, so maybe he doesn’t even notice the pain, but you have to expect he’d be going around with a garishly colored walker after the twentieth time being thrown through a window onto concrete.
That was the premise behind Superior Spider-Man. Doc Ock took such a beating over time that he was dying
For the most part, Batman doesn’t even punish criminals. He stops and detains them, usually using force, and sometimes what we’d call an excessive amount of force. Batman’s thing with killing is that he goes out of his way to avoid killing criminals while stopping and detaining them.
The question of killing is not really about punishing them, and so due process doesn’t really figure into it.
