Family of four, two close friends and nanny also died in crash as pilot identified as 55-year-old Jeff Gregory
Nathalia Filgueiras, 20, was co-pilot of the private Learjet 60 en route from Austin-Bergstrom international airport in Texas to North Eleuthera airport in the Bahamas on Sunday when it suddenly plummeted out of the sky, killing all onboard, her mother told the New York Times.
Later on Monday, the family of the passengers who died posted a statement on Facebook identifying the victims and paying tribute to them.
It named them as Adam Robinson, 45, a Texas-based technology entrepreneur; his wife Helen Sharp, 40; and their children, Emma, four, and Charlie, two. The statement said close family friends Rachael Reed and Charmi Fehr were also killed, along with Anita Maria Cetina, the children’s nanny.
The pilot in charge of the Learjet was identified by TMZ and other media outlets on Monday as Jeff Gregory, 55, an experienced aviator from Pennsylvania.
Brace girl. Kept working the problem till the end.
Edit: Brave
Brace girl.
Great teeth
I feel bad for the pilots and kids and the nanny.
Please shed a tear for the tech executive. Truly an hero.
If I die in a planecrash, or heck, by any outlandish means at all, I really hope the internet doesn’t latch onto my death as if I was a part of some conspiracy. Especially when everyone knowledgeable says this is exactly how that event would go. Shameful.
Eh, as long as you’re not the 20 something woman that drives clicks, you probably won’t be the headline.
I haven’t read about any conspiracy. Where are you getting your news?
Basically just accusing her of being a DEI hire.
Don’t use social media for news.
MF you’re on social media right now and were just informed of some news.
Give your nose a squeak and tell me what you hear.
I’m here to listen to opinions, not gather facts. Just like I would never repeat what you just posted as facts. It’s an opinion, which is perfectly fine to have.
MF then why are you accusing me of getting news from lemmy??
I swear to go you are proving your own point but not in the way you mean to be
just reading the actual articles instead of posting an angry kneejerk reaction already puts you light years ahead of basically every lemmy user.
Ok but they didn’t do that they explicitly asked for news from a Lemmy user
If you see the closeup of the video the plane came right down on top of a white car that was moving. The car was completely obliterated. So there is at least one more unnamed victim.
This is misinformation. It has been confirmed that there were zero fatalities on the ground. There are photographs that show that the white car closest to the crash remained intact, with only minor damage (all the tires were flat).
I think all of the fatalities were on the ground
A lot of people say that the angle of the video distorts the white car’s position. There is an aerial view of the aftermath that shows a white car “behind” the explosion, relatively intact.
20 year-old co-pilot…Is that unusual for a private jet crew?
Yeah apparently she was kind of a prodigy, actually from Palm Beach where the crash was. There’s a news segment from a few years ago featuring her and it is at a high school like two miles from the crash site.
She was apparently pretty skilled. She had like 1300 flight hours by 17 or something if I remember right. This wasn’t some kid playing around, flying was her passion
Maybe?
But if she is qualified, then she’s qualified.
Private/business jets should be outlawed, on top of the ecological cost most crashes are small planes like this. And people will say “oh but they’re safer than cars”, but nobody needs a fucking jet to get places. The consequences of it failing are just too high.
I wish they would all switch to submarines
Or perhaps low flying, thin skinned dirigibles
It almost hit mar a lago. I say we keep allowing them until we get a bullseye.
Hopefully its Elmos jet that goes down next!
You’re a bit confused on the stats
The planes that have the most accidents are general aviation (GA) planes, not chartered private jets like this
GA is the actual small planes. 2-4 seaters usually. It’s also the least experiences pilots, usually pilots building hours to be in the airlines or charters
Charters follow a lot, but not all, of the same safety regulations as commercial airlines. They do still have more accidents, for a variety of reasons
Charter companies play an important role in the pilot pipeline. Many commercial pilots work at charters while they build hours to get their ATP to be able to work at a commercial airline
If they couldn’t work at a charter, they would have to instead fly in circles to build hours. A suboptmial outcome
The consequences of it failing are just too high.
Mile per mile, cars are more deadly. If the concern is safety, you’d have to start there
Ugh. These businesses jets are considered General Aviation. Part 135 and Part 91 get lumped together in the stats. Part 121 is airliners and Freightliners.
General Aviation is considered statistically slightly safer than motorcycles, but single engine and multiengine get lumped in together because of how different parts of US aviation is governed.
Source: private pilot pursuing my commercial rating.
Cars are only deadly because any idiot and his dog can get a licence. If car drivers had to go through as much training and rigorous standards as pilots, cars would be safer, since they can’t fall out of the sky.
Cars also have much tighter tolerances than planes. A 1 second lapse on the highway could easily cause a multi-car collision.
Planes have this during takeoff and landing. But once they are in the air, maintain a much larger distance between themselves and any hazard. When something goes wrong, pilots have a long time to fix it.
Mile per mile, cars are more deadly. If the concern is safety, you’d have to start there
Because our skys don’t look like this
No. Because the aviation industry doesn’t like to make mistakes twice.
Except for Boeing, they double down and fuck up their designs even more.
Boeing began to believe shareholder value is more important than safety.
(After the McDonald Douglas merger)
Yes, that’s when things went downhill…
Well, not wrong, at least, they do it in new an innovative ways every time. Rarely do I see it the same boring catastrophic failure.
Well - aside from the repeated MCAS mass murder and followup incidents, they do seem to have had had multiple toxic smoke in cockpit incidents from bird strike. So far only luck and pilot skill prevented a catastrophic loss due to that.
Shout out all the pilots.
Meanwhile, the auto industry manages absolutely every issue as a simple cost of business. Does the cost to fix/replace/prevent an issue cost more than the lawsuit or fine? If yes, then it doesn’t get done until they’re forced to fix the issue.
You should take a look at ADSB data above JFK or ATL if you think that’s the case. The density of planes is incredible. Planes are landing and departing as quickly as possible
Further, heavy traffic is less fatal. Cars are moving slowly enough that most accidents are minor
I would also point out, it isn’t close. Cars are something like 20 times more dangerous per mile than commercial aviation
Yeah I meant more that in car traffic there’s every-fucking-one driving their 2 ton shitbox in an unpredictable way causing chaos. Think of some Corusant scenes in Star wars movies where you see thousands upon thousands of speeders flying on many levels in long lines, and one mistake will crash few speeders a kilometer down to the ground
They’re not safer than cars if i remember right. Small planes are a lot more dangerous statistically per hour or mile travelled. Going per hour general aviation is 24 times more lethal https://avweb.com/insider/why-we-dont-care-about-fatal-accidents/ and yeah the link is bait to get you to read.
"If the automobile fatal accident rate were equivalent to GA’s fatal rate, we would kill more than 800,000 people a year and your car insurance would cost $25,000. "
GA isn’t private jets, generally. Those jets are way safer than anything single engine.
I love how they call them ‘business jets’ instead of millionaire transports. because honestly.
They’re almost always owned by businesses, hence the moniker
Lot of companies use them to transport executives, or companies own the planes to sell charter flights
It’s exceptionally rare for an individual to own one
They’re almost always owned by businesses
yeah, as a fuckin tax dodge. individuals use them, and rarely for ‘business’ travel they could accomplish easily with commercial aircraft.
So apparently the rates of crashes in general aviation are set off by drunk pilots in Alaska specifically. If you exclude alcohol-related crashes in Alaska, general aviation starts to look a lot safer.
Planes have a max gross takeoff weight that much be followed at all times, unless you’re in Alaska
Alaskan pilots kept crashing because they skipped fuel to fit in another passenger so often the FAA said it was better for them to fly overweight than with absolute minimum fuel
There are a handful of regulations with an “except in Alaska” carveout
Interesting, definitely impacts the statistics
Can we exclude drunk drivers from California (since it’s the biggest offender) and call cars safer then? We can’t remove inconvenient data and people don’t just drink and fly in one state.
Alaskan aviation is very different from the rest of the country
They literally are not even flying with the same rules and regulations
It’s still far safer than driving, but Alaskan aviation is not as safe as the rest of the country, and should be separated out due to the different rules
I mean, for me personally it made me feel a lot safer getting my pilot’s license because I don’t drink alcohol, so there’s very little chance I’ll ever fly drunk.
California is only the biggest offended because it has the biggest population.
If you go per hundred thousand people there are many states that rank high above California.
Aircrafts Georg is an outlier adn should not have been counted.
Flying in Alaska takes time if you’re not landing shitfaced you’re doing it wrong.
I remember sometime back that some rich bloke was talking about cutting cost for maintenance in airliners. Part of me wants to say that somebody got the message and started cutting corners for private jets first.
All airplanes are safer than all cars, per passenger mile.
Small planes are dramatically more dangerous than commercial airliners. No, this wasn’t a Cessna, but still.
Nobody needs X is a moot point. You also don’t need the vast majority of your possessions. Some things are simply nice to have, especially when you can afford them. There are just things that you don’t like other people having.
Also, the chance of you dying on a place crash either as a passenger or a person on the ground is astronomically small. 104 people died in a car crash yesterday in the US alone and this is true for every single day of the year.
104 people dying in a car crash yesterday says jack shit about plane safety when you haven’t normalized the data for the fact that a lot more people are driving than flying.
Mile per mile, flying in a jet is significantly safer than driving.
Yes, but when driving cars, the main danger is other cars. If there were very few cars, they would likely be a lot safer per mile too.
As opposed to cars, which have famously few consequences when things go wrong.
As much as I’d love to see them made illegal, I don’t remember the last time I saw an SUV or oversized pickup truck make a 20 foot crater.
Tesla: hold my beer
True and fair. But, on the flip side, I don’t remember the last time I saw a private jet plow through a crowd of protestors. So, like, there are trade-offs I guess.
I think I’m getting th gist of the conversation, transportation can be dangeous. Did I sum that up well?
Depends on how much TNT you load into the car
No, private cars should be outlawed too.
Sam Altman is that you?
Maybe they should be outlawed for environmental reasons, but private jets operated by professional service providers as in this case aren’t the “small planes” with the high crash rates. It’s the ones with piston engines and inexperienced owner-pilots that crash a lot.
Even those are roughly comparable to cars in terms of injury and death rates for a comparable trip. Driving is one of the most dangerous things the average person does, so that’s not exactly good, but it seems to be within most peoples’ risk tolerance.
The guy who chartered the flight ran this company - https://retention.com/
After reading more about his companies, RB2B and retention.com, I have to say he was a filthy scummy fuck who ran businesses that regularly exploited legal grey areas, consumer rights, and outright violate the law in many cases and jurisdictions.
I feel sorry for the fight crew, Nanny, and kids. Otherwise I only wish he would have had every executive of his scam corps in that jet with him.
Not really sure how that’s relevant to my comment, it’s still bad for planes to be falling out of the sky and killing multiple children + workers, no matter who chartered the flight.
Private jets that crash a lot kill rich assholes.
So maybe instead of banning them we lower regulations and mandate people over a certain net worth must travel by private jet.
And also they get exclusive first access to any new submersibles.
Well, that and also hand out rocket launchers to randomly-selected citizens.
A 2 year old and a 4 year old died in terror, no amount of billionaires would be worth it.
You must be this tall to board the private jet:
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Israel and Russia have murdered hundreds of thousands of kids over the past due years, if not millions. Most of them died in equal amounts of terror, if not more, and we didn’t even get one billionaire as collateral
Well, not yet. There’s still a lot of future.
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There was a scene in a show whose title I can’t recall where a man was in a bus depot talking to a young mother with her child sleeping in her lap.
She said they were taking the bus because it was a lower carbon option.
The psychopath pointed out that the best thing she could do for the climate would be to kill her child.
A child growing up in the West, let alone a privileged one, is the single longest and biggest source of carbon emissions we know of.
Edit: The show is called Utopia. The original British version.
Fuck I forgot about that scene. Here it is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzdmkDwuiC4
That show was incredible
Yeah I’m fine with drawing the line at child sacrifice, actually.
Bootlicker.
/s
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Lol. I got moderated for that tame-ass response. Oh the civility!
Ethical, environmental, and ground safety (these jets have to fall somewhere, after all) aside, this removes the whole hubris aspect of these crashes and implosions.
At which point you might as well use guillotines.
So you’re saying palantir is edging out the competition?
Score
wonder why the AI had him killed.
<cue xfiles theme>
thoughts go out the families of the pilots and the nanny.
Kids to.
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That’s five victims too many. Thank God no one on the ground was hurt.
it seems that she was the one understanding the ATC advice properly and trying to get the pilot to navigate around the dangerous weather
No, it doesn’t seem like that at all. It seems like a normal distribution of labour in a cockpit and good CRM. If you don’t know anything about a subject you are allowed to keep your mouth shut and not add to all the pointless speculating around a tragedy.
I don’t interpret their comment to imply the other pilot didn’t understand, just that her role was to manage the ATC communications which… is exactly what you agree with? The other pilot’s duty wasn’t to interpret the ATC guidance but to take action.
Maybe you should keep your mouth shut and reread before yelling at people.
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Tragic all around, their poor families. When they say planes are safe, they mean the big ones.
Learjets are many times safer than cars, mile-per-mile
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Two kids died.
Rich American kids grew up to be rich American adults 🤷
Just stop.
You would care less about the pilot if he was a contractor?
If he owned the plane and his business was private jet flights I would not care about them
Should probably change that name to morallyinferior 😬 let’s not forget about the children on the plane either…
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So people who paid their taxes? Yeah, I don’t imagine you feel much.
you’re now the third weird, socially awkward lemmy dope in a row to try and shame me and make a gotcha. You got me though, I don’t actually care about any Americans.
Yeah, I’m the socially awkward one lol
Oh I get it, your username is like those people who tell other people they’re cool. If you have to tell other people you’re cool it means you’re not. If you have to tell other people you’re morally superior…
🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 you must be a cult leader I take everything literally and have no sense of humor
I’m not saying you should, I’m just saying ur username is awfully hypocritical considering you’ve stooped to the level of this class of people. Hey man I get it, if you can’t beat them join them, but I’m more strong willed than that. Some of us actually have morals, and not the kind that change based on who were dealing with.
What is it with lemmy people taking a username literally. Are you literally an inner machine?
Sorry I don’t care about rich Americans. I’m also sad it didn’t crash into Mar al Lago
Touche, and we can both agree on that last sentence 🙏
Sort of feel the same, and it’s just so out of reach to own your own private jet. The most thematic aspect of this crash was how fast it happened and how it was able to be recorded from multiple angles. The rest, well, it’s just like seeing a video of a car crash, am I supposed to care more because they are rich? Their death was at least better than most people who die in accidents get, it was at least instantaneous - there are worse ways to die.
News is literally combing over every aspect of their life - what the last conversation with traffic control was, what SMS were sent just before they crashed from who to whom, who the entire entourage is … I don’t care anymore than any other random accident, and I don’t see why I should, yet it’s hard to avoid the feed. I see people empathizing with the deceased who would just dismiss or mock some other’s without the glitz death they could dismiss as a caricature if some other context was slapped onto it.
May the dead be able to be mourned by their loved ones in peace, away from those who would turn it into a spectacle.
You’re supposed to care because they are people. Despite their wealth and what you perceive as a lifestyle you don’t support, they are just people who died unfortunely and that is too bad. Newsworthy? Not unless you are in that area IMHO.
it’s more complicated than that.
i’m not going to care about the oceangate assholes because they intentionally made every wrong decision they could have made despite having practically infinite resources to get it right. they did everything they could to cause that accident. if you read about the decision timeline, it just keeps getting worse the further you read. the only person who deserves our thoughts is the 16 year old kid that was straight up murdered by some penny pinching billionaire piece of shit.
You should care because clicks increase revenue
lol
Yeah, laugh at the death of innocent people.
No matter how much you hate the rich wankers who were on board as PAX, the pilots were just working their jobs, and didn’t deserve this, and you’re a disgusting fucking pos
Also two kids and a nanny.
Even if we assume all the rich adults were assholes just because they were rich, the majority of people on that plane were not rich adults.
and very lucky people on the ground didn’t get killed.
Lemmites need to stop dissociating from society.
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This wasn’t remotely the first crash where an aircraft hit the ground at similar angles and descent rates, you’re talking out of your ass about something you clearly have zero knowledge in
I don’t know man I still don’t think Epstein killed himself.
Wings iced up and stopped creating lift so the plane fell from the sky.
No mystery except why they flew so close to the storm.
To expand on this a little: long before a wing stops working from ice, it becomes a different wing with different aerodynamic characteristics, like stall angle and critical mach number. This is of course just speculation at this point, but among informed professionals I’ve heard a lot of talk about a mach tuck, which is probably not recoverable, even without the possible loss of the horizontal stabilizer.
You’re making quite the assumption there. We don’t know why they crashed. There are many possibilities. Icing may have diminished or removed control surface authority before a stall occurred, as an example of an alternate option
You have split a hair that laymen would not bother to percieve.
Do you have an agenda?
dude, the horizontal stabilizer was ripped off. they flat out said on the radio they exceeded speed thresholds of the aircraft. the plane got caught in a thunderstorm, got damaged, and lost control.
the plane got caught in a thunderstorm, got damaged, and lost control.
We don’t have enough information yet for this assumption. It could either be the damage caused loss of control, or the loss of control caused the damage
The pilots reported icing shortly before the loss of control, which can absolutely cause uncontrolled descents. Overspeed can cause the loss of horizonstal stabs
I haven’t seen any proof the stabilizer ripped off. The video is too blurry to be definitive. But the control surfaces were at least frozen
there are pictures of it everywhere. still frames from the videos.
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Lear jets have a T-tail. It’s not hiding under the engines or anything, it would be plainly visible if it were there.
You can barely see the left wing in that picture because there’s so much blurring. I can’t see how you can be so confident about it. Or why are people are so inclined to spread rumors about the root cause of an accident when that isn’t their job.
I’m just saying we should wait for the actual investigation before declaring we know what happened. But apparently that warrants a deletion?
Great. Who cares? You’re not a family member or friend of the victims. You’re not an investigator with the FAA or the NTSB. You can believe whatever you want to believe.
Um ok? Why the fuck are you so aggressive about it? Are you an NTSB investigator or just a guy declaring facts because you saw pics on the internet? Hypocritical asshole
NTSB has now confirmed pieces of it did.
This is hours after your comment, however.
I think it was intentional
To what end? It crashed into a sidewalk, harming no one else. There are way easier ways to off yourself than a jet hitting the ground at 30000 fpm.
I’ve had enough of this thread. I hit the stupid threshold fast.
I mean it’s happened before with SilkAir, GermanWings, and that Air China flight a couple years ago so let’s not act like it’s impossible. I seriously doubt it’s the case here though, since we know they flew into a thunderstorm and we have the ATC audio.
The ATC tapes are proof enough you’re wrong. Sit down and shut up. Enough with this conspiracy stupidity.
It wasn’t conspiracy shit, asshat. The comment I replied to was acting like people commit murder-suicide attacks for logical reasons and such a thing couldn’t possibly happen. I pointed out that they can and do happen. And I even mentioned the ATC audio in my comment.
This whole thread is full of irrational morons who can’t read. Why can’t you just wait for the investigation before confidently declaring you know exactly what happened? I’m the only one here saying we don’t know, y’all are the ones pretending to be experts and spreading pet theories about it.
Then don’t talk out your ass suggesting the possibility it could be something other than it being a tragic accident and in the same breath say “wait for the investigation” while we have tapes that pretty much show it being a tragedy. The only irrationality here is offering any legitimacy to the conspiratards at all, fueled by the vacuum of hard info surrounding this event thanks to the fact that aircraft like this generally don’t have CVR/DFDR to tell us what happened with actual data.
I think the only malfunction that could cause that angle and steep of a dive is if the controls got stuck
An easy opinion to have when you know absolutely nothing about aviation. Welcome to the Dunning-Kruger club
Didn’t the plane fall straight on top of a car? No victims on the ground?
person in a car had their leg injured. surprisingly thats it.
road got hurt.
As dark as this situation is I did laugh a bit when the following day I saw a new headline stating there were no survivors.
Like… no kidding?
The car was over to the left of this image. Still a very close call to a lot of energy hitting the ground.
It hit right off the side of the road.
I don’t know if it did. But if so, they were probably poor and/or ugly so no news outlet cares. This article shows a sexy pilot as the main victim, because that sells. It’s disgusting.
They showed the woman whose voice it was on the audio.
Maybe the article would be about that too then, but only near the end they mentioned her voice was on the audio.
Sex sells, so thats why they showed her picture above the article. Normally they show multiple photos of victims, just the passengers, or just the plane crash. Now the entire article is written around a hot young pilot who died. They didn’t even bother to add photos of the rest of the victims in there.
There are a lot of reasons this case gained so much media attention. The FO’s looks are not one of them
The ATC audio, video footage, and dramatic nature of the accident are
Victim? It was an accident…that’s a hell of a word to use.
Victims of an accident??
Victim of success
You can be a victim of an accident.
What do you think “victim” means?
