It garbles advertisers’ data as a result, but you must disable uBlock Origin to run it; they can’t work simultaneously. I recently moved to it and, so far, am never looking back!

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    Just curious- if ads are for something illegal, couldn’t this expose me to liability for theoretically “clicking” it from my IP/device? And if ads are for something unsavory ( like a “chat with local cougars” site or something similar), wouldn’t they start to deliver me more such ads, thinking, wow this IP is the only one clicking every sex chat ad, send them more!

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      How many websites do you browse with links to truly illegal content?

      If you live in a country with truly abysmal human rights, definitely don’t bother with this plugin, but in most cases you should be fine on the illegal side.

      Even if somehow the website you’re browsing has some super sketchy ad to buyillegaldrugshere.com or whatever, to get in trouble with the law in most civilized places you’d have to actually buy the illegal drugs, not just ping the illegal drugs IP. Especially since you can pretty easily prove to a judge that your system fetches ad links automatically and without further engagement.

      Not saying it can’t happen, just that it’s really unlikely you would be served an ad for something so illegal just clicking on it is a liability. The literally only case I can think of coming close is CSAM, but even then, if you’re regularly browsing websites that advertise CSAM, maybe find other websites to occupy your time? And I can just about guarantee any website serving CSAM ads is already doing illegal shit, so you should probably be more worried about that than an ad-click…

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        I’m not sure how many ads on different sites are sketchy. I don’t feel like finding out, that’s why I block it. There have been plenty of reasons that all sorts of illegal stuff gets inserted on well-meaning sites, so it seems like it’s inviting all sorts of trouble to automatically click stuff without consideration.

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    I’ve been recommending this for awhile, it’s nice to see someone else take up the mantle.

    Yes, it clicks ads in addition to blocking them. Google removed it from its addon repository even though it wasn’t breaking any rules. They just removed it and kept it removed because there wasn’t sufficient backlash, the scumbags.

    It’s the main reason why I use Firefox these days. it’s clear that the cabal will not allow anything that legitimately threatens their power structure, and make advertising less-effective for the same price is a gut punch they need.

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    Good start. Now make a version that clicks each ad a random number of times from randomly generated IP addresses.

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      Ad Networks use browser fingerprinting to detect duplicate clicks, which is tied to your hardware, system locale, installed fonts etc.

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          Tell me how, then, because I don’t know how to get around the font thing. Everybody’s computer has a different set of fonts, and blocking browsers from seeing what fonts you have installed would help identify you even more.

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            That one browser which everyone hates despite it being the best adblocker and anti-surveillance browser out there randomizes your fingerprint.

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            “Just” remove a random 2.5% of the fonts, a different random set per request (context).

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            A browser extension that limits webpages to default Windows fonts only would eliminate that factor from contributing to identification without flagging it as suspicious. A slightly more robust version could frequently cycle between multiple subsets of default Windows fonts. Say Windows comes with 100 fonts. So you could have thousands of configurations with different subsets of those.

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          Chameleon add-on for Firefox, randomly rotates your browser, OS, screen size, timezone, device type, language, and other customizable parameters every x minutes.

          I’ve set it to do so every 5 minutes, and to omit desktop & tablet as device types (else some websites display the respective page) and timezones (messed up 2FA).

          I also disabled blackberry and windows phone from the manufacturer ID, that would have the opposite effect from obscuring me.

          For the rest of it, it’s working great.

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        It does if it reports the URL to click home somewhere and users can opt in to pull the list to auto click.

        It would DDoS the ad servers. Muwhahahaa

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          Yes. That’s just what I want. An extension sending all ads served to me to a central location, so my fingerprint can be very easily indexed and stored on a definitely never hacked, leaked, or sold database.

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        What if we use a Visual Basic UI to hack the IP address by netmask?

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        Nothing is random

        In bot cases like this you would have a proxy list that it “randomly” picks from

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          No, he means that’s literally not how IP addresses work. It’s not about “nothing being random.”

          You don’t just “pick an IP address” from a list lmao and send it as though it’s not your actual IP. You would need to literally connect to a proxy and send the request through that proxy in order for ads to see an IP different than you own.

          My god, are you people trolls or just the next generation taking hold? The dumbing down of Western society is in full force.

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            You would need to literally connect to a proxy and send the request through that proxy in order for ads to see an IP different than you own.

            Yes that is what was proposed, you’re the only one who seems unclear on it

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        maybe we can setup a botnet to poison advertiser data.

        click all the ads, all over the planet!

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          Why are you people so concerned about “the data?” Talk about missing the forest for the trees.

          This is an effective tool to charge advertisers money without having their ads shoved in our faces. It directly undermines the integrity of the digital advertising ecosystem, and you people are obsessed with “privacy” because your priorities have been decided for you by your oppressors.

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        You can fake your IP. There isnt really any authentication at the IP level. Just make a packet and overwite the IP field.

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          Just make a packet and overwite the IP field.

          I can tell I’m getting old by the amount of proudly-dumb shit I keep reading.

          It’s only going to get worse. Sigh.

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            I misremembered my internet class. Sucks that it made ya feel bad.

            Edit: and you can put whatever you want as your source IP at the IP level. Though idk how modern security deals with that. I know I was taught that that was a way to DoS attack, so I imagine it’s protected against.

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              If you just do it on your own computer, the packet will be already dropped by your own gateway. You can fake whichever address in your local subnet, but those are very likely remapped anyway in your gw to the one given by your ISP.

              If you would have access to the switch port used by your ISP in the Internet exchange point (IX), you would have more liberties in choosing the IP.

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        Have it form connections to all the other browsers using the extension and they all send a click.

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    This would still make a connection to the ad servers that can then track me though.

    I guess with a hardened browser and a VPN it would be alright.

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    You know this is the good shit because when it first came out a few years back google was running a huge disinformation campaign against it. You’d search for “adnauseum” in google and the first result would be an article from some weird advertising company calling is “insecure” and “malware” without any actual argumentation behind those claims, while no other search engine returned that article (I lost the screenshots, so yall are just gonna have to take my word for it). They also delisted it from the chrome store for not discernible reason. They were afraid.

    But nowadays I’m willing to bet that they figured out how to detect adnauseum’s fake clicks and filtering it out. Stuff like that needs a talented development team to keep it up to date.

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        It’s not even available on chrome because google removed it years ago. They weren’t breaking any rules, but google saw it as a threat and kept it removed since there wasn’t sufficient backlash.

        Really wish people would STFU about the “privacy” aspect about this. It gives junk data to trackers because it floods them with all the ads you’re coming across. The main purpose, though, is to charge advertisers money without giving them a service in return.

        It’s sad most of you consumers can’t see the real significance of this software, but it really puts into perspective why most people are useful idiots these days.

        Consumerism has won.

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          Is there an aspect of privacy through throwing loads of bullshit data though? Instead of blocking the tracking you flood it with crap

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        It’s not even available on chrome because google removed it years ago.

        They weren’t breaking any rules, but google saw it as a threat and kept it removed since there wasn’t sufficient backlash.

        Really wish people would STFU about the “privacy” aspect about this. It gives junk data to trackers because it floods them with all the ads you’re coming across. The main purpose, though, is to charge advertisers money without giving them a service in return.

        It’s sad most of you consumers can’t see the real significance of this software, but it really puts into perspective why most people are useful idiots these days.

        Consumerism has won.

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    I always liked using this on the premise of privacy-through-obfuscation. If the powers that be must get information from me, then i’d prefer to give them garbage information.

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    Google has put a lot of effort into detecting and blocking stuff like this. They call it “click fraud”, if you want to look it up.

    It’ll just mean they start ignoring clicks from you.

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      Then that achieves the same goal. If they’re ignoring clicks from you, and you’re blocking their trackers, then they probably don’t have a good profile on you, because whatever they do have is either old, poisoned, or both.

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      They call it “click fraud”,

      No, click fraud is using botnets to click ads in your site to increase your revenue.

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          They can still get money from this. In fact, they get more money from this than with uBlock.

          They recognize how it undermines the digital advertising system, so they did everything in their power to get rid of it before it takes off. They’re fighting a generational war and don’t want us to even be aware of the tools we have to fight back.

          We really should be recommending adNauseam instead of uBlock.

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          They can still get money from this. In fact, they get more money from this than with uBlock.

          They recognize how it undermines the digital advertising system, so they did everything in their power to get rid of it before it takes off.

          We really should be recommending adNauseam instead of uBlock.

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            OK… If trust is bro, then they won

            But I ain’t no middle schooler, so you need to explain like I am 5 how this solution is in fact superior to uBlock

            Is there any proper research on this?

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        can confirm. You know those ‘google rewards’ things? they slowly stopped going for the results from trackmenot lol

        it was nice to get $1 a month off my VPN subscription lol

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        This feels like reverse psychology on a little kid.

        “That’s it, I’m not tracking you anymore! >:(”
        “Oooh nooo, what have I done! Oh how much I would wish to be tracked :(”
        “No, you won’t convince me to change my mind >:(”
        “Oh well, guess I’ll have to live without being tracked, what a shame that is.”

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        Not sure how true it was, but there was a YouTuber claiming that their videos were getting entirely demonetized because too many of their viewers had Ad blockers enabled. So even though 75% of people were seeing ads on the video, Google was keeping that ad revenue, withholding it all from the creator because 25% weren’t getting ads. The claim the youtuber made is that this will probably predominantly impact creators with a more tech savvy / privacy aware audience, resulting in less of that niche content.

        Anyway, this is anecdotal, but I wouldn’t put it past Google to pass the issue to the creators for the actions of their consumers, even though it’s not their fault.

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          Creators who care about privacy should not support Google’s monopoly by using YouTube as their Platform of choice.

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            legit, there are so many platforms out there, idc which one they use, but pretty please, just mirror your content. Why’s it so hard 😵‍💫. The group im referring to doesnt even have the “money ads” argument as what most small creators earn on yt is peanuts.

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    That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard, you’d have to be deranged to want an extension clicking random shit.

    Edit: I’ve actually read it now and while not so bad, I still wouldn’t use this on a computer that has my stuff on it.

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      it doesn’t actually click on stuff. it “clicks” so that the advertisers’ and your digital footprint’s statistics get messed up, but you never see the results of the clicking, nothing pops up, nothing gets downloaded

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        It also adds noise to the site metrics and recommendation algorithm making them less valuable overall.

        It’s like the application that will watermark images with digital noise designed to throw off AI training that uses that image.

        You’re no longer a user who is able to be profiled (because you ‘like’ things completely at random). If everyone was using a plugin like this then advertisers wouldn’t be able to serve targeted content because they wouldn’t know what content types work best for each user because every user clicks ads randomly and so there is no detectable signal, just noise.

        You get the same effect, but reduced, if less people are using it.

        In addition, if half of the users on a website are using adblockers and suddenly those users start clicking ads, then it costs twice as much to advertise while not providing any additional customers which makes spending money on web advertisement less attractive.

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      because it’s a modified uBlock Origin, so it’s like running two ad blocking plugins at once, which isn’t recommended. and if uBO blocks an ad first, AdNauseam won’t be able to detect it and click on it.

      anyway, I remember reading a long time ago how that approach isn’t going to harm ad companies anyway, because [technical reasons that I don’t remember at all].

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      It’s a bit redundant to run both at the same time, considering they both practically do the same thing and one is built off of the other.

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        It’s not even practically the same thing, it is exactly the same plugin as uBlock Origin, same UI, blocklists, etc but with added features.

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    Some ads have used browser exploits to infect visitors in the past. So this is a very, very bad idea, if it actually is implemented in a way that is hard to filter for ad networks.

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      So the way I understand this to work, it’s 100% safe from the type of attack you’re describing.

      You are clicking the link (asking the advertiser for the data) but then never actually fetching it.

      So you can never get the malicious payload to be infected.

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        Im too scared to trust it works out fine in the end to use it, been raised on the idea that interacting with an ad in any way other than task managering the pop up is dangerous. Wheres the part of the code that makes it safe and a write up of how it functions, otherwise im fine just blocking ads with regular ublock.

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          Here you go, from the repo:

            const visitAd = function (ad) {
              function timeoutError(xhr) {
                return onVisitError.call(xhr, {
                  type: 'timeout'
                });
              }
          
              const url = ad && ad.targetUrl, now = markActivity();
          
              // tell menu/vault we have a new attempt
              broadcast({
                what: 'adAttempt',
                ad: ad
              });
          
              if (xhr) {
          
                if (xhr.delegate.attemptedTs) {
          
                  const elapsed = (now - xhr.delegate.attemptedTs);
          
                  // TODO: why does this happen... a redirect?
                  warn('[TRYING] Attempt to reuse xhr from ' + elapsed + " ms ago");
          
                  if (elapsed > visitTimeout)
                    timeoutError();
                }
                else {
          
                  warn('[TRYING] Attempt to reuse xhr with no attemptedTs!!', xhr);
                }
              }
          
              ad.attempts++;
              ad.attemptedTs = now;
          
              if (!validateTarget(ad)) return deleteAd(ad);
          
              return sendXhr(ad);
              // return openAdInNewTab(ad);
              // return popUnderAd(ad)
            };
          
            const sendXhr = function (ad) {
          
              // if we've parsed an obfuscated target, use it
              const target = ad.parsedTargetUrl || ad.targetUrl;
          
              log('[TRYING] ' + adinfo(ad), ad.targetUrl);
          
              xhr = new XMLHttpRequest();
          
              try {
                xhr.open('get', target, true);
                xhr.withCredentials = true;
                xhr.delegate = ad;
                xhr.timeout = visitTimeout;
                xhr.onload = onVisitResponse;
                xhr.onerror = onVisitError;
                xhr.ontimeout = onVisitError;
                xhr.responseType = ''; // 'document'?;
                xhr.send();
              } catch (e) {
                onVisitError.call(xhr, e);
              }
            }
          
            const onVisitResponse = function () {
          
              this.onload = this.onerror = this.ontimeout = null;
          
              markActivity();
          
              const ad = this.delegate;
          
              if (!ad) {
          
                return err('Request received without Ad: ' + this.responseURL);
              }
          
              if (!ad.id) {
          
                return warn("Visit response from deleted ad! ", ad);
              }
          
              ad.attemptedTs = 0; // reset as visit no longer in progress
          
              const status = this.status || 200, html = this.responseText;
          
              if (failAllVisits || status < 200 || status >= 300) {
                return onVisitError.call(this, {
                  status: status,
                  responseText: html
                });
              }
          
              try {
          
                if (!isFacebookExternal(this, ad)) {
          
                  updateAdOnSuccess(this, ad, parseTitle(this));
                }
          
              } catch (e) {
          
                warn(e.message);
              }
          
              xhr = null; // end the visit
            };
          

          That’s pretty much it! Let me know if it doesn’t make sense, I can annotate it

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          the part that’s safe is in the browser. it’s a basic fact of how http requests work that you can just request data and then not read it.

          also, “task managering the popups”? unless i’ve missed some very weird development that has literally never worked, because popup windows are part of the parent process.

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            Back on Windows 95 through XP, each individual window was a process that could be killed in Task Manager, and popups opened in a new window.

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    IMO, this is a bit much.

    It’s one thing to block ads, it’s another thing to essentially participate in an ad fraud scheme. If this simply hurt Google, I would have no issues (they are corrupt criminals, an American oligarchic institution), but you also risking harming independent sites that have done nothing wrong.

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      You incorrectly use the term ad fraud, which addresses advertisers themselves automating clicks on their own links to generate fake income. There is nothing wrong with people-with-no-corporate-interest who click.

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      Remember, advertising is jist a new word they made to wash over the ick with its original name, propaganda. I’d rather not participate in any propaganda.

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        This is an excessive approach that risks collateral damage to 3rd parties who are not involved.

        I have no issues with blocking ads (internet is unusable without ublock origin + Pihole), but actually simulating clicks is IMO not the right approach.

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          Collateral damage to advertisers? Sounds like a feature, not a bug.

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          I still don’t get why you think it’s not the right approach. Seems perfectly fine to me.

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            Because this will cause problems for independent website operators.

            Blocking ads is one thing, but this risks fucking up their digital advertising accounts.

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              this will cause problems for independent website operators.

              https://github.com/dhowe/AdNauseam/wiki/FAQ#how-and-why-does-adnauseam-make-exceptions-for-non-tracking-ads

              This may seem to be a legit criticism at first, but AdNauseam allows ethical ads so anyone using good, safe stuff should not get affected. There is an entire section in AN’s documentation about not clicking on this specific ad group.

              As for the vast majority of the rest who don’t use ethical, non-tracking ads: let 'em have it! ⚔ AdNauseam users (and users of any similar tools; I don’t know what else is out there) must first hold a fundamental view that the tracking world is extremely violating, of which ads are a subset. Long gone are the glory days when ads were funny, appealing, and well-made, and didn’t track people; ad companies gather data on us and if they get hacked, that info flies out in the open: all without our knowledge or true consent. Is that something you’re fine with? Additionally, more and more ads are proving to be entire scams, or otherwise shams that did not fully deliver, that have harmed consumers who legitimately click through.

              The long-term goal is to teach those who use malicious ads that this is an unacceptable, unsustainable practice and that they need to market in better ways if they wanna keep doing this (again, going back to the pre-Internet glory days when Coca-Cola, etc. ran awesome TV ads and when there was no or nearly no account-tracking—or just any semblance of it).

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              Isn’t that the point, to fuck up digital advertising accounts so the data is unreliable and can’t be used?

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    Interesting, was wondering about this. This would also “help” the websites with more ad income right?

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      Yes. I prefer this to the whole “ethical ad” debacle people have had prioritized for them.

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        Haha I imagine they need at least unique ip addresses to count. Now I wonder if for clicks to count you need to properly click through and load the target website with the same “browser fingerprint”.

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      This transfers money from the advertiser to the advertising agency, without creating a sale for the advertiser. This devalues the services of the agency.

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        I still don’t want to give those fuckers money. If I just use uBlock, the ad is never seen, thus no sale is made and the slimy ad company gets money.

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          Totally, it’s up to you. The idea for fake-clickers is the long game: the marketers think they’re landing clicks over months or possibly even years, but will may slowly realize (gotta account for the stubborn ones) that it’s ineffective and eventually pivot to different approaches, hopefully ones that involve less tracking (I can’t imagine what any worse approach could be, at least).