• Lucky_777@lemmy.world
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    He wasn’t great but he wasn’t batshit crazy like Trump. Sure he should have pushed for universal healthcare, a universal income, taxing the rich more, etc.

    The only advantage of Trump being this fucking nuts is America should swing left harder than ever in 2028. Maybe we can get some billionaires to pay their share and some awesome social services to catch with the planet. But that all depends if we even have an election.

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    Bad still bad. Ignoring real poverty, homelessness and struggle because “line go up” was not good. No reason to rehabilitate an imperialist billionaire loving war criminal because his successor is arguably worse in many ways.

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    My family has been paycheck to paycheck since about 2012, nothing has changed for that. I don’t care about the stock market, I care about an income for the low income people like me. No president in my life time has done that.

    Trump never will, Biden could have put pressure on congress and chose not to.

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    I think Biden was an empty suit who personally didn’t do anything while president…

    And a shit ton of “moderates” from his admin and mainstream media are writing books about how true that is.

    Why the fuck do so many people want to act like trumpets do with trump and just deny reality to cheer their “team” no matter what?

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      I think Biden was an empty suit who personally didn’t do anything while president…

      Then you personally weren’t paying attention.

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      without background & historical knowledge of our political posturing, it becomes little more than a red vs blue team sports and i bet it’ll stay that away until there aren’t enough people whose lives are untouched by the ghoulery to change things.

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        And we saw the results of that with Republicans where any flaw or mistake is ignored…

        Are republican voters getting what they want out of that arrangement? Or is their blind loyalty being exploited?

        Now, everyone seems to understand how that is bad…

        So why do people think both parties doing that would be better?

        If it’s just about winning elections, why not also run a candidate that agrees with the base, then ask for people to vote for the lesser evil if it’s still not what voters want?

        Why start with someone far to the right of the Dem voters base?

        Why meet fascists halfway? When has that ever worked out?

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          the “lesser evil” argument hits an absurd new low when both lesser evils options are kind-and-gentle-genocide or mask-off-genocide; yet you have people who THOROUGHLY believe that it’s practical choice and are so out of touch that the denigrate people for not cooperating in the genocide.

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        From what I’ve read the former president actually got quite a lot done. It just didn’t get talked about as much, at least in international news.

        Man, those were good days…

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          The only mistake Biden made was not learning the Trump trick of non stop publicity and insulting your opponent even immediately after the election.

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      Ask someone to repeat the talking point of the Republicans and then ask them about the Democrats. I bet everyone knows about woke, crime immigration and so on. The Republicans run on culture wars and anger to get more interaction like social media.

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    I think it’s a fucking asshole for not throwing citizen Trump in a deep dark prison cell the second he stepped out of the White House.

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          I kept telling people, Biden is OK, he seems to be getting stuff done…BUT he’s not doing anything about the trump/insurrection/undermining-the-fundamentals-of-this-country. I got tsked, poo-pooed, and was called way too radical many times for three years. I would rather have been wrong.

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          One could argue no us president is innocent, no?

          I don’t really know. I’m not American. I just find the scapegoating funny. And dumb af. Equal parts of both, really.

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    Trump making the capitalist hellhole worse, does not make the capitalist hellhole acceptable. No matter if the presidents name was Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush or Reagan.

    An economy that cannot provide access to basic healthcare and education for its citzens is a failed economy, no matter how high the price tags of stocks traded by coked up psychopaths are.

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      If Biden or Harris were president now live would be better for millions, perhaps even billions, of people on this planet.

      Both sidesing this it lazy and ineffective.

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        Going for the “lesser of two evils” over the past 40 years at least is what brought us to Trumps presidency. In particular Biden and Harris brought us to his second presidency, embracing the support of Dick Cheney, which is a Bush era war criminal Republican foreign invader mass murderer.

        Yes i both side this. The Democrats in their current shape are a big part of the problem and they oppose getting towards a solution. Because a solution would be against the US oligarchy and the DNC is equally representing that oligarchies interests. Just the flavor of oligarchs is different between the two parties.

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            No people voting for Trump or sitting out elections got us a Trump presidency.

            This has been true for 40 years at least. Leftists pushing anti-electoralism/accelerationism are a big part of why we’re in this mess and why the Overton window has been able to be dragged so far to the Right. Protest (non-)voting having any impact to improve the world is bunk and likely to some degree an idea nurtured by authoritarian state actors.

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              Why would people vote for a party that says it doesn’t want them? Democrats are owed votes, they have to be earned. But Democrats every years try to appease “moderate” Republicans (as if that has ever actually been a thing) while telling everyone else to pound sand.

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                And yet Right-wing extremists have had incredible success in steering the GOP in the direction that they want, despite resistance, by actually engaging in electrical politics.

                Your “point” is bunk and nothing more than an excuse to avoid attempting to bring positive changes without offering up vulnerable populations as sacrifice. There is no moral high-ground for anyone who engages in anti-electoralism/accelerationism.

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                  What i am saying is that the GOP has spent the last 30 years catering to their extreme base, and it has brought them everything they want. Meanwhile the Democrats insist on shutting down anything to the left of Ronald Regan, and so their signature legislation in the past 20 years was just the Republican healthcare plan from the 90’s. The DNC will continue to be a useless party unless they start offering radical changes to American government instead of sticking to 20th century Neoliberalism.

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            I agree, people should have challenged Biden and Harris in the primaries.

            They should have voted non aligned and disrupted DNC events until a proper primary was held. The inaction in pushing the Democrats to bringing up a non genocide, non mass deportations, non economically cynical and classist towards the poor candidate was an issue. However that should not distract us from the institution that fought against getting any such candidate and instead pushed Biden until it was unbearable and then switched to Harris.

            The inaction of the people was part of the problem. As the largest block was non voters, if these had went for an agreed upon third party instead, they could have made the presidential race even if the DNC kept blocking any progressive candidate.

            At least now many people become fully aware of the true colors of the US empire and the evil it does to its citizens and people all over the world. Many people before deemed these acceptable under a Democratic president. Now is the chance to rebuild a proper political and economic system in the US. This is why it is so crucial to not let the Democrats off the hook either. There will be no healing in the US as long as the Republican and Democrat elites remain in power.

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              Primaries will never happen during a party’s incumbency.

              We need to fix the FPTP by replacing it with Ranked Choice, and also get rid of the electoral college. Then, party primaries become irrevalent, since the spoiler effect is gone. I could just vote for an independent Bernie or AOC and skip the middleman (the democratic party)

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              When Biden won the first primary the choices were Trump or Biden.

              When he stepped down and Harris won the second primary the choices became Trump or Harris.

              Either Biden or Harris would have been much better choices then Trump so both sidesing this is lazy and ineffective.

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                There wasn’t a proper primary for Biden. There was no primary for Harris. She just got all the delegates pledged from Biden. And they were destined to make sure that Trump or a similiar candidate would win the 2028 election if he didn’t win already in 2024. And this is a continuation of the Clinton campaign, that almost comically made sure that Trump would be the only one addressing the issues of working class Americans.

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                  The biggest problem with reactionary progressives right now is that they want yo tear down the system without putting in the effort to rebuild a new one.

                  Trump is a clear and present danger to many people right now and Biden or Harris would be much better.

                  After they won their primaries it was a choice between them or Trump so both sidesing this situation is both lazy and ineffective.

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    Continued the tradition of hollowing out the middle class for wealthy donors like any other politician. The man represented Delaware for God’s sake. Economy got “better” while people continued to get gradually poorer, materially.

    I guess that’s better than having every index in the world crater because chatgpt said tariffs on everyone though, so.

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      The true death of American manufacturing, an overvalued tech bubble that will bring down the global economy, and massive deregulation of financial rules that will end in the worst financial crisis since the Great depression?

      That’s the economy you want?

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    I think rich people do rich people things and your entire class is to blame for all of this.

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    The democrats must be so giddy. They don’t need to move to the left one iota as long as Trump and MAGA is fucking up this bad.

    No hope. No change. Corporatist#67 for 2028!

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    It’s still Bidens economy for the next four years unless it’s doing good then it becomes Trump’s

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      Yeah, and it was Trump’s economy for the past four years because everyone knew he was going to win and everyone would be constantly winning too. Now it’s Biden’s economy, but wait until Trump’s economy kicks into gear. You’ll get so many jobs you won’t know what to do with them. Unless the economy crashes again after that, then it’s Biden’s economy again until it recovers then it’s Trump’s. What’s so hard to understand?