Today, Congressman Shri Thanedar (MI-13) introduced articles of impeachment against Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, citing a sweeping abuse of power, flagrant violations of the Constitution, and acts of tyranny that undermine American democracy and threaten the rule of law.
“Donald Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he is unfit to serve as President and represents a clear and present danger to our nation’s constitution and our democracy,” said Rep. Thanedar. “His unlawful actions have subverted the justice system, violated the separation of powers, and placed personal power and self-interest above public service. We cannot wait for more damage to be done. Congress must act.”
The resolution includes seven articles of impeachment outlining a range of constitutional violations.
Can someone ELI5 what impeachment even achieves, and why it seemed to do nothing last time? Is it just a badge of dishonour?
An impeachment conviction results in removal from office. The previous impeachment proceedings did not result in a conviction.
Ah, thanks for explaining!
It really makes no sense. Even if you succeed an impeachment, you can just get re-elected next term - as long as you didn’t use your two terms.
as long as you didn’t use your two terms.
And even this is looking increasingly irrelevant. Trump has another 3¾ years to ensure nothing is in his way for a 3rd, 4th, or even more terms. And with Republicans working to ensure a permanent Republican ascendancy, even voting will become a performative act; a thin veneer of legitimacy papering over useless theatrics and a predetermined outcome.
They will fail.
They will fail.
Like all the other things they have “failed at” with almost zero consequences? Like ignoring judicial orders and deporting American citizens and dismantling the government and shredding the constitution and all that other anti-democratic crap?
Sure, buddy. And I have some premium sand for you to bury your head into.
Only if you are not removed, impeachment is only one part of the removal process.
Wrong. You cannot run again after two successful elections.
Impeachment is a formal process used to formally accuse a public official, including the president, of misconduct while in office. It’s a legislative action, not a court trial, and is the first step in the process of potentially removing the official from office and disqualifying them from holding future office. The House of Representatives initiates impeachment proceedings by drafting and voting on “articles of impeachment,” which are essentially charges of misconduct. If enough people in the house vote to impeach, they kick it over to the senate to have a trial. It takes 2/3 or 66% of the senate to convict before he can be removed from office. The last 2 times the house was able to vote on the articles of impeachment. When it got kicked to the senate the last 2 times, there weren’t enough votes to convict. This is because republican senators were more interested in protecting the republican party than they were the country. Most of us would rather lawfully remove Trump from office. The constitution is still important and many of us still believe in it. Even if it’s not successful, it still has a purpose. The people that vote no on impeachment are going on public record to aid an abet his crimes, potentially opening themselves up to legal consequences once trump is gone. Also, exhausting all avenues of the law makes civil disobedience more legitimate should things get bad enough to come to that.
Cute
Anyway
If you want to just lay there and keep watching our country burn while doing nothing that’s your choice. I’ll keep doing what little I can to help those who are working on fighting this tyrant.
You haven’t gotten it yet, huh?
Congress is powerless. The Judicial is powerless.
This will do nothing but knock yourselves out, I’ve seen this show before.
As much as I hate it, I agree.
We all saw how far those two impeachments he got before went.He’s already a felon with immunity threatening to arrest the Supreme Court, the game is locked in
Better to focus on building networks in your communities that can do good here and now, you know?
Truth
imo, we have to fight on all fronts. While some may argue that it’s a waste of time, I believe the work for short term reform is still important. Even if the long-term goal is something more. While I hold a more revolutionary ideology, I’ve comrades who are doing what they can in the existing system.
Why not both? The amount of time and effort required for me to support a likely unsuccessful impeachment attempt is negligible, but it does make me feel just a smidge better.
We tried this. Twice
Therefore the legislature should roll over, abdicate their responsibility, and succumb to tyranny!
They already have!!
Twice
If someone has their boot on your neck and you’ve failed to throw them off twice, would you not try a third time?
I’d try something else because it failed two times before.
Good. Now everyone needs to call, email, or visit with their reps to get this passed - assuming they can force a vote. It will only take 4 republicans crossing the aisle in the house to impeach him yet again. Then we need to hound our Senators to get a conviction. That will be the hardest part because it’ll take about 20 republicans to join all the democrats and independents to convict him.
And then someone still has to drag him out
Who’s gonna do that? The Justice Department full of Trump cronies?
At that point Vance would president, I think he’d be eager to move in to his new digs.
Does the oval office even have a couch, though?
Vance won’t have the cult on his side. He has no way to force the fealty of the rest of his party.
In any scenario where Trump is removed from office via impeachment, he’s already lost his stranglehold on the party.
Or their party has lost its stranglehold on the country.
Exactly, nobody wants that
At least with Vance we likely get a malicious and ineffective president, where with Trump we have a malicious and stupid president.
Trump clearly picked Vance because he does what he’s told. I’d be much happier with that outcome than the rapid destruction of our country.
Gonna need to fumigate first
And prepare the Presidental couches with plastic covers.
I don’t hear you offering a solution. Am I correct in my belief that your are in favor of just rolling over and letting him do whatever he wants and not to bother resisting in any way?
What, am I supposed to announce my entire political viewpoint for you? I called it like I seen it.
I’m doing shit in my own life, trust me on that.
Why? Did he commit high crimes and misdemeanors or something?
That’s like asking if Jack the Ripper hurt anybody
Good. They should keep doing this for everything he does illegally.
Even if it won’t amount to anything, we’re getting Republicans on the record as saying they support Trump.
Makes it tough for the inevitable “I didn’t side with Trump” statements we’ll hear when he is finally gone.
How long until MAGAs use “MI-13” as evidence of a link to MS-13? Taking bets.
Did she run that by Chuck Schumer and the DNC first?
Hooray!
It’s a waste for a D to bring Impeachment charges. Unless Rs do it, it will never pass and will always seem politically motivated.
So you think they should just comply in advance?
Even if a republican would do this, the Magats would claim it’s a secret democrat.
There is no other motivation for any politician save for political motivation.
Regardless, its nice to see someone actually trying to do something.
Weird how they only did it today when a primary challenger announced they were running.
They could have done this anytime before today but waited until their seat was at stake.
Just pure coincidence that they drafted this up on the same day. Almost like they know people aren’t interested in a politician who doesn’t represent them.
Wanna take bets that the challenger loses and the impeachment goes nowhere, so nothing happens to this seat?
My house is on fire, but I’m standing on the sidewalk spitting at it. At least I’m “actually trying to do something”, right?
Impeachments of Donald Trump are security theater at this point.
You’re right, let’s give up and do nothing.
That’s a cool false dichotomy you’ve got there.
Look unless you are holding out on a bag of unused monkey paws this is all we have to work with.
Did you sleep through history class?
Of course it’s politically motivated, trump is a shit political leader.
He’s done exactly 2 things I agree with, kill the useless penny, and say he’ll pass a “congress can’t trade stocks” law.
Kill the nickle and dime while we’re at it. (CGP Gray fan)
I think every single D should do it, all of them should have ALREADY condemned his high crimes. They’re cowards
Force it into the record anyway
Gotta start removing more Republicans from power, too. Use that 14th amendment to clear most of them out.
Isn’t everything to do with a government politically motivated?
Its never a waste to do the right thing.
What does it waste? Every Republican, moderate, and undecided gets to see who actually wants impeachment. No stepping around it we’ll know who could have ended this and voted to keep him. what can a Democrat do that isn’t going to look politically motivated? Defeatist arguments are exactly what trump needs to become emperor
Johnson can just table it without a vote. You’re not gonna get anyone on record with it.
I’ve never done this before but it’s actually time to call my congressman.
Why would an old man never have called their congress rep? Shame.
Rather than shame someone who is changing, maybe encourage it. It’s easier to get people on board the train if people are friendly rather than passing negative judgment.
Whenever I see an atrocious pretentious person it seems like a toss up between .ml or feddit. It’s weird
Nope sorry doing something good is actually bad now
The totally free, and ad free, app called “5 Calls” will help you with that. It provides you their phone number, and a script. You can setup reminders to call daily, weekly, or I suppose monthly.
Won’t they catch on that you’re just reading from a script if enough people are using this app, and thus calling in and saying the same thing over and over again?
The fact that people are calling is what matters. It doesn’t matter if they are following a script. It’s a person that is taking their time to call in support/opposition to something.
^This. If you make the effort to call, you are very likely to vote in the next election. You won’t be able to talk to your representative directly but the aides will relay the volume of calls coming in to them.
Yeah representatives don’t rerally care if they get a thousand emails an hour 24/7, because that’s easy to do with bots. But if they have to constantly ignore calls or temporarily hire more people to handle the volume, they’ll take note. At least the better ones.
I mean no, the time was probably years ago and then again months ago, but yes better late than never, please do.
Something something “the best time to plant a tree…” Yeah, it was needed then, but it’s needed now too.
…something something “watered with the blood of tyrants”…
Correct. That’s what I said
I get the point but this will just result in a “official act” response and a hand wave.
The immunity regarding official acts pertains to judicial proceedings. An impeachment is a legislative proceeding. While it uses judicial terms like “trial” it is not the same thing and can not directly result in criminal conviction or sentencing.
FINALLY.
Hasn’t this happened already? I could swear I’ve seen another article or two a while back saying someone was doing this same thing.
