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And this is why you have car-centric infrastructure and suburbia.
Pretty sure that’s a post 1900 invention. Trains were the hot stuff in the 1800s
Then you start talking about colonizing space and people flip the fuck out
we should totally leave the earth and go to the moon and mars and all that, I just don’t want Elon leading us there. And ofc there is gunna be environmental effects from all those rockets, but ngl if most of humanity left the earth, the earth might be better off
Yea, but like locust, we’d be saving earth and dooming dozens of other planets.
yeah but there’s infinitely many other planets though.
Sounds like you just answered the trolley problem ;)
If you weren’t rich you couldn’t benefit much from “most advanced civilization” at the time. most of the them were really poor and desperate and gave everything just for ticket across the Atlantic with the hope for a better life.
Didn’t the Puritans leave England because they really hated the Catholics and wanted to change the Church of England to not be as Catholic but the government of the day told them to fuck off?
The Puritans weren’t the only or even primary colonists, but yes that was their motivation. That and their barbaric faith practices were quite literally illegal… in medieval England of all places. Children weren’t even considered people yet but how the Puritans treated them was bad enough to be made illegal.
Yea, kinda.
More that the Puritans wanted everyone else to confirm to their stricter standards and ethics, and the people at the time were fed up and ran them out.
The thing that I hate even more about all this, I could afford to do this. But you are not legally allowed to live on your own land in the UK without planning permission. I think it is vaguely comparable to zoning in the US.
Thats what i love about Canada, you can buy land in unorganized townships and can do whatever you want there. The interesting wildlife is just the icing on the cake.
We still have parts where you can disappear into the woods and just sort of fuck off forever. Alaska has the Remote Recreational Cabin Site program as a replacement for the Homestead Act and there’s parts of the state so remote you could essentially do whatever you want and nobody would ever know. Provided “whatever you want” involves freezing in the dark wilderness.
I’m sure some of our other low-density states have similar things going on, and zoning laws vary wildly.
Hey hey hey, the wilderness is only dark in the winter and you won’t freeze to death if you don’t get wet and are wearing modern winter coats+snowpants+gloves.
I didn’t say to death (I did imply it). I have friends in Juneau but they previously lived in some less hospitable places.
the UK is a tiny nation with very little actual nature left, it should not be surprising at all that they don’t want tons of people building cabins in the woods and turning the entire fucking island into a single suburb of london
People living in cabins is a long way from being a suburb, most people should be put off by lack of being connected to the grid too.
I can understand limits of what you can build and we do have that as well, you are completely allowed to build a cabin in your patch of woodland, up to certain size limits anyway before you do need permission. Tents are also fine. These can be left there for years just fine as well. But you can’t live in them.
A decade ago my wife and I quit our jobs packed our kids and stuff and moved 7000kms to our now rural homestead. Our closest neighbor is 2km away. Town and groceries is a half hour drive one way. We have a huge garden and laying hens. We raise our own chickens for meat as well as quail and rabbits. Our kids hunt and fish and play outside.
It’s fucking amazing y’all.
A 30min drive to town is perfect. That sounds incredible.
If I’m any more than a 15 minute walk to my nearest grocer I consider it hell. Fuck needing to pay insurance, maintenance, and gas costs just to be able to perform basic chores.
Needing to waste an hour just to get groceries sounds so dumb.
We don’t need to go to town. We grow almost all of our own food for the entire year. We don’t need movies or bars or restaurants or even…shocker…full time soul sucking jobs. though we do work for some cash flow. We have the internet and piracy, friends with back yards and basements and we can cook just fine, in fact I used to be a sous chef in a former life. We live on less money as a family of five than most single people do.
Our impact is minimal compared to yours I bet considering all my families food with the exception of a few items comes from the 250 acres of land surrounding my house and we care for that land to ensure we minimize the impact from our agriculture practices as much as we can.
That land also feeds my sister’s family and my father’s. We also provide to our local food bank all season long and barter a lot with our neighbors.
And you wonder why there are monumental societal rifts between rural areas and urban. It’s because of people like you who “know better” but have zero knowledge or experience to back it up.
Nice fucking assumptions asshat.
Not like I literally went to college for wildlife conservation and have done entire reports on regenerative agriculture practices. My favorite is multispecies rotational grazing to help incorporate the whole ecosystem into how we cultivate the land. Though, my education spanned much more than just agricultural practices and more on ecosystem health and sustainability on macro scales.
I know much more than you think. I don’t really give a shit about your little bs rant. A lot of the bs you go on about are much deeper societal issues that are not unique to rural or urban life but the very fabric of our interconnected society as a whole. I don’t care about how little money you live your life on. Needing money is a much larger societal issue that needs to be solved and everyone fucking off into the woods to start their own individual homesteads is not how you make a functional society.
Yes, modern city life has issues and industrialized society is environmentally harmful, especially suburbia, but everyone living isolated plots is not sustainable in the slightest. Just because you and your family are able to do it doesn’t mean that everyone can while the entirety of society facilitating the existence of people wanting to live so spread and distanced from each other is causing massive resource drains and itself causes environmental harm in the externalities of facilitating it on a structural level.
As much as you like to imagine you live apart from society out in your little fiefdom, you’re still very much a part of it.
And you draw assumptions as well. I assure you I am a part of my society and fight for the things I believe in. You seem to know me so well you likely already are aware of that yet at the same time you don’t care at all.
I’m glad you studied It’s a smart thing to do. It’s a shame you are so knowledgeable yet so bound to a system that does not work for anyone and wastes the vast majority of its food in the name of capitalism. Your high horse seems to have lost its legs.
We can walk the talk and we do, so we’re pieces of shit for actually doing it. Shake your head.
Yes, I live in a society. Such a profound statement. Almost like that’s the goal so I put my effort into changing that society instead of thinking I’m so much better for having removed myself from it.
I live rurally so I have removed myself from society? You have some interesting ideas. Incorrect, assumptive ideas but ideas none the less.
conserving a whole lot i bet with that short walk to your local.
The point is they don’t need to go into town often. They have everything they need on their land. Different people prioritize different things and have different wants.
Our closest neighbor is 2km away.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh that sounds great
40 old me looking at a screen with SSMS and Azure: Instead of an engineer like my father I should have been a tailor like my mom… Or a carpenter…
It’s never too late to enter carpentry. I know quite a few programmers who do carpentry as their main hobby. Something about the math and the amount of careful planning is highly transferrable, I guess.
Nah fuck carpentry. You’ll just end up destroying your body to make shit money.
This isn’t brick laying or plastering. Carpentry is an easy job on the body.
If you think carpentry is easy on the body I can tell you’ve never worked for or as a carpenter before.
In either case carpentry is a massive world. There is a lot more to being a carpenter than making furniture. If that’s all you’re doing as a carpenter than I would argue that you aren’t much of a carpenter and your experience is highly limited.
To me this is like calling yourself a computer engineer because 2 hours a week you write Visual Basic code in an excel spreadsheet.
lol what.
No.
I work in tech. But (long story) started with a few years of carpentry/joinery. It is not easy on the body, unless you’re just making small boxes or cabinets. And even then, it’s still not really that easy.
It can be easy on the body provided one has cash to get and wear safety gear. Too many people depend on a cheap employer for their safety.
Buy good gear. Use jigs. Protect hearing.
It’s a big assumption that you can rely on power/bench tools. At some point you’re going to have to get the chisels, plane etc out.
Good gear doesn’t save your knees, hips, shoulders, and wrists.
US defaultism strikes again, is this carpentry as in building houses or carpentry as in building furniture?
Furniture or whatever you can make in a single location like garage or maker space, no engineer thinks of joining construction work
There are some days tho dude.
Some days
What is so bad with plastering? I would have thought that one isn’t too bad.
The pressure to get it done now now now. The overwork. Ignoring safety regulations because they’re fucking annoying.
Tell that to my dad’s hips, knees, and back
I mean you can do it as a hobby though.
I mean I was referring to having a shop in your garage so you can build furniture, but you’re not wrong. Construction carpentry is one of the more intense trades I’ve seen.
Assuming you can afford all the stuff to do it.
Which most software engineers can
Whenever I try building something with wood, I get so frustrated that it’s not version controlled. In software, I can fearlessly try dumb stuff because I can just roll it back if it didn’t work.
Creating anything physical requires a lot of practice, and practice really only works if you make mistakes and then learn from them.
Just have to accept that you will waste a lot of wood getting that practice. Heck, a lot of woodworking practice is repetition of the basics before trying to make something with those skills. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of hobbled together ugly stuff that still works like my stuff.
Not catching very slight warping in boards is my weakness.
Engineer your design in FreeCAD and tweak it before you build.
3D printing and CAD may be the hobby for you then!
At 35 I’m beginning to realize it’s good I don’t have an office job. Finnaly found a good employer and happy driving through the country.
CongraFuckinLations I officially envy you.
After traveling all over for work, having freedom to somewhat set my own schedule as long as I meet deadlines, I know I would lose my mind in a traditional office.
There’s not much I hate more work-wise than sitting around after the work is done so you can get your hours, because someone on the crew thinks that’s more moral than leaving and they’re a snitch.
Don’t be a carpenter. Splinters.
I live in the country.
It’s never peace and quiet. It’s constantly filled with the noise of shitty neighbors blasting music at full volume cause they don’t understand that sound travels. Then there are the gunshots every damn morning from dipshit shooting in their field. I’m constantly worried one day a missed shot is gonna come through my window.
Let’s not even get started on when they brun the fucking fields (sugar cane) and the entire area is covered is astringent smoke and ash.
Living in town, people understood that neighbors exist and at least attempted to be considerate about it; plus, I never had to worry about catching strays. Also, life was so much nicer, not needing to fucking drive everywhere just to do basic things or go get something to eat. Being able to walk or catch a bus was so much more convenient and stress-free than needing to drive myself. I was able to have a lot more free time since I wasn’t spending it on an overlong commute just to get anything done.
If thats what you think happened, then you dont get it. readsettlers.org
I would love to move to some US state with lots of forested country and go build a cute little homestead. Work part time to buy things I need.
Mmm…my dream. Also BTW I’m in my early 20’s.
Canada has huge tracts of land in the Canadian wilderness.
get a gun though. the neighbors can be a real bear.
same in Alaska, we just call it alaskan wilderness and have for profit healthcare (it sucks, especially mental healthcare).
The neighbors here seem to moostly avoid confrontation.
I need to move to Central or South America. I would love to live like that but I can’t stand the cold. This past winter just about did me in mentally.
It’s just a dream though. Got family that I love tying me down here.
hope you find the right partner, and a good water source
Someone owns the forest and you owe them rent
Yes and no. Lot of cheap land out there, very little in taxes.
The bigger problem is someone owns the supplies you need to survive, and there’s not a lot of jobs out there to make ends meet.
They forgot the whole genocide thing which is kinda necessary for this to work out
Also the whole industrialization, privatization, and rise of capitalism thing in Europe that led to successive waves of emigrants leaving or being coerced from their homelands. I think in general people don’t leave their communities and families without some kind of direct or indirect violence.
Also homesteads weren’t exactly a great place to be. No infrastructure and tornado heaven. People lived there because it was their only choice.
I mean if it would’ve been empty land it could’ve worked likes this. I don’t think genocide is a necessary part of it
This is why we colonise space, at least the planets without aliens living there.
Have fun up there i guess
A planet where no conservatives are allowed. We put them on rockets to the Conservatives only planet.
So you want to send those undesireable people somewhere else? Maybe to conserve your way of living?
If by undesirable you mean I desire instead to keep living, and by conserve my way of living you mean I just get to continue breathing - then yes. They try to kill me, there’s no moral limit on what I can rightfully do in return if they don’t succeed. Including rocket them off to planet conservative before they get another shot.
Almost every colony ever: gets oppressed and exploited, fights for independence, gains sovereignty, becomes either a tense ally or a hostile rival to their former empire
Earthlings: “maybe we should colonize space”
Seriously? Most of the world today are colonies of the rich parts. We just don’t say it that way.
proof that capitalism kills people. And everyone has a price.
50 y/o: get the fuck out of my cave.
This is something I will never understand. You want all of the trappings of civilization without being part of it? You want your cake and to eat it too.
Most of civilization isn’t needed for the good parts to exist. The invention of the steam motor should’ve resulted in a ridiculously sharp decline in population, as most labor was no longer needed to feed the population.
Right? That kind of mentality is just selfish. It shows that someone doesn’t know how to live with others and wants to make that everyone else’s problem.
Lol if you want to go live outside of civilization then go ahead; just don’t expect things like electricity, roads, and running water unless you can build it yourself. Facilitating all these antisocial people living out in bumbfuck is a massive drain on resources and fucks things up for the rest of us.
thing is that you can have your cake and eat it too, you just have to make some very slight compromises and be clever about things.
Unfortunately we’re living in a world that no longer has much unowned/unsettled land. Everything has been bought and hoarded by the ultra wealthy.
What a shame for the white folks
that was already true in 1492.
the land wasn’t “unsettled” before the colonizers arrived.
Well yes, but obviously there was some point in history where that wasn’t true. You just need to look back further than modern history.
Where it was “owned” by native peoples. Even though they didn’t think of it the way we think of that term, it was their land.
They’re referring to the America’s before it was colonized by the settlers from Asia.
Ah, right. Well those assholes killed all the giant sloths and American lions so I’m not letting them off the hook.
