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Bitcoin has gone up by at least 40k in the last three months, surely that must have made El Salvador a few pretty pennies.
It has but bukele’s bitcoin fund is still a drop in the bucket compared to their GDP. I’m seeing they own 6,055 bitcoins, which is about 600 million dollars, to their GDP which is 34 billion.
*pesos
Their national currency is USD.
“This is good for bitcoin.”
Honestly with the Trump government right now and the pending trade war, this might be good for Bitcoin. It’s supposed to be a store or wealth that you use to buy other cryptos like monero to spend.
This is not good for the environment because crypto mining is second only to AI model training in useless expendenture of natural resources and pollution.
But ironically, and I say this with no joy. This could be good for Bitcoin and that’s bad for us all.
Bitcoin price movement seems to follow the US stock market, so I wouldn’t bet on it.
Womp womp
‘’’ officials ensure that the government will continue betting on this cryptocurrency, whose price currently exceeds $100,000. ‘’’
I think that’s why El Salvador is doing it. They never really forced people to use Bitcoin, US Dollar was also the legal tender and unlike Bitcoin, also the money of account.
But really though, can you call for IMF to stop lending to countries which buy Bitcoin when the issuer of Dollars, the U.S. has a President who has run multiple crypto/NFT scams and wants to use Government money to pump up crypto prices?
They wouldn’t be able to do all that evil stuff with the petrol-dollar if there were a valid alternative… Thus the IMF ban on bitcoin.
an extremely volatile speculative asset primarily used for buying drugs, gambling, and illegal pornography doesn’t work as an actual currency?
who would have guessedWow the misinformation
Half of El Salvador doesn’t have electricity or internet, Bukele is just a far-right weirdo who probably thought this would attract Techbros to invest in his regime.
Who could have predicted this
i remember laughing at crypto nerds about this a few years ago, but who’s laughing now?
me, still
El Salvador apparently invested about $270 million in bitcoin since 2021 and that investment is worth about half a million bucks now. Oh my god, ha, what idiots!
now do nvidia
I can’t say I understand the bitcoin hate in this thread. I have very real, realized gains.
Your meme should say, “I love working for minimum wage at Wendy’s”
they could have bought rolling 16x futures on gold in or 5x on cacao beans in 2021, just saying, with better success chance and lower risk. The fact that you won (allegedly) in casino doesn’t make you smart, it makes you lucky, it’s bonkers to do for a country
You seem pretty smart. They should probably put you in charge.
thanks 😉
Ok, can he sell it then? What’s the use of Bitcoin? Why are you valuing it in Dollars? Countries accumulate Dollars and other first world currencies to be able to import more. Bitcoin is sitting there doing nothing.
Same applies to massive foreign exchange reserves like in the case of China. But still, atleast forex reserves can be quickly used to stabilize the exchange rates.
The IMF is forcing them to sell it. They probably want it.
Yes, he could sell it.
It’s commonly used as a store of value. When people invest in gold, what’s the use of that? They’re not going to actually use the gold for its physical properties.
I’m American and the unit of value that I’m most familiar with is dollars. We could convert it into any currency that you’d like. I could have also said simply that their investment had about doubled in value and roughly had the same initial value as about 10 economy cars.
Sovereigns aren’t the same as individuals. For sovereign, at the macro level, spending drives consumption and creates employment of real resources.
If El Salvador had its own currency, they could tax and spend that instead. But no, they use US Dollars.
If El Salvador had its own currency, they could tax and spend that instead. But no, they use US Dollars.
This is a legit criticism. It’s absolutely wild that these colonized states are completely monetarily subservient to empire. I think they go with bitcoin instead of their own currency, because bitcoin is much harder to destroy/manipulate.
What’s the point you’re trying to make here? You seem mad about el salvador’s bitcoin experiment. They made a little of money on their little investment.
They make no money from the investment you mentioned unless they sell for Dollars. Your stock portfolio gets you no money in form of capital gains unless you liquidate it for Dollars. Same with gold.
Is El Salvador budget denominated in gold or bitcoin? No, it’s denominated in Dollars.
El Salvador should first stop using a foreign currency, the dollar. Then worry about trying to attract capital inflows.
I agree. No currency or store of value has any true value until you go to spend or exchange it. It only has potential value.
You do realize that Dollars also are also constantly changing in value.
El Salvador apparently invested about $270 million in bitcoin since 2021 and that investment is worth about half a million bucks now. Oh my god, ha, what idiots!
… Okay just to clarify, you’re saying they invested $270,000,000 and now it’s worth about $500,000?
Is there a typo in your comment or something?
Yes, there was. Thank you.
Source?
That feels incredibly off. Bitcoin is around 100k now while back then it topped out at ~65k or so?
They didn’t buy it all at once. The price dropped between then and now and they were buying. Wikipedia has an entry on it.
I’m not an expert on El Salvador’s bitcoin, I just know you all sound like a bunch of sore losers.
Just because you had luck doing something incredibly stupid doesn’t mean it was a good decision
I know you’d like to characterize it as dumb luck because that would make you feel better. The reality is that I’ve been making small monthly bitcoin purchases for the better part of a decade as a part of a much larger retirement fund.
When the btc price hit $100k, I sold most of the initial investment so that now I’m just risking losing part of my gains.
You can call it lucky and incredibly stupid. I can call it calculated risk.
So you’re rich because others also bought into the completely unproductive ponzi scheme. Go brag somewhere else, loser.
You’re all mad because you lost money investing in bitcoin when it was pumping and then selling during a crash. Don’t worry, it’s safe with me.
literally no one cares, fuck off dweeb
i don’t understand why you dorks are laughing when i advocate for the use of tulips as legal tender. i’ll have you know that i recently cashed out during the height of this latest tulip bubble! you rubes are simply jealous of the treats i can now buy and the very coherent and good point i’m making.Wow you are funny. How many years has this act been going on?
Crypto prices from a few years ago were hilariously low. Keep laughing tho!
Why isn’t this being discussed on any of the crypto subreddits? This is all I could find. Somebody’s not telling the truth:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1ihd9ek/el_salvador_buys_11_more_bitcoin_boosting/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1iflbk5/the_satoshi_statue_has_arrived_in_el_salvador_en/
Mods are probably preemptively blacklisting this article to avoid inconvenient information reaching the cryptobros.
It would hurt their feefees
the buttcoin sub is decent
Let’s not get astray here.
The reason El Salvador stopped using Bitcoin as a legal tender is not because it’s some sort of failed experiment (it had issues, but still), but due to continuous pressure of IMF interested in maintaining a US dollar-centric economy.
El Salvador is reliant on US dollars in its economy, which puts it under heavy US influence. Knowing Salvadoran currency wouldn’t be strong, Nayib Bukele suggested an alternative option - risky, volatile, but free from pressure of other countries and strongly appreciating in the long run. IMF didn’t like it, and that’s where we are.
So, when you cheer Bitcoin not being legal tender anymore, you also cheer US and IMF projecting power over the country.
Well, also, they just cut a deal with Marco Rubio to be America’s prison, so they must’ve figured that was more lucrative than Bitcoin and continuing to agitate the US by challenging the dollar was creating unnecessary friction.
Yeah the headline is insane. This would have been a wildly successful experiment, and now is a great time to cash out.
I guess they made a deal to sell their coins to the US.
Edit: misinformation, sorry. They’re not selling. they’re still buying. The IMF is just forcing them to strike the word legal tender
Its even funnier. They just straight up promised them a billion dollar loan on the condition that they abandon bitcoin.
In December, the government struck a $1.4 billion loan deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) that scaled back its bitcoin embrace after the lender urged officials to limit its exposure. The lender specifically advocated making acceptance of bitcoin voluntary for the private sector, which is spelled out in the hastily-approved law.
Site doesn’t load
The link is still working and reuters is a huge organization so its probably an issue on your side.
Nope. Their site is always broken. It doesn’t work on tor browser in strict mode. Try it.
We shouldn’t be linking to such websites
That is hardly a valid reference point for a news source. The site even works without JS which is better than most sites.
Nope. It doesn’t work with js disabled. That’s the problem
It does in librewolf, which means that Tor is just doing some extra blocking of stuff that is need for the page to load.
Hot damn why is this not the headline we are seeing
Thats what im wondering, because thats the blog post headline i first saw.
Exactly. The title is misleading af
They were forced to stop using Bitcoin as legal tender by external parties. The question people should be asking is why? And the answer is not that it was a failed experiment.
Would you loan money to someone who wouldn’t be able to repay if the bitcoin market crashed?
The experiment was to move beyond external parties. They were not able to do so and returned to using external parties. Ergo “the experiment failed”.
They were forced to do it by the IMF and US
Why do you think that they’d care about it if it was failing?
So they experimented with resisting the US and IMF and it was not successful.
We call that an experimental failure.
You really don’t get it. “Blockchain” was not the experiment. “Utilizing blockchain in the global economy” was the experiment.
And it failed.
Again, for the people in the back:
The experiment was whether or not they could be independent monetarily. Not whether or not blockchain works. But whether, in actual practice, if it could provide the monetary independence some people claim it has the power to do.
Outside influences were strong enough to overwhelm Bitcoin adoption and it succumbed to those outside influences. As an experiment seeking to test whether or not Bitcoin could resist these influences it failed.
This is how experimentation works. Now you can tweak your experiment and try again, but acting like failing at the exact thing you were trying to accomplish is somehow not an experimental failure is just delusional.
You can argue semantics all you want
They were trying to break free using Bitcoin. It seemingly worked quite well so they were forced to stop doing it. The article title is misleading in the sense that the failure isn’t from Bitcoin (quite the contrary).
You don’t even have to be pro bitcoin to see this as something bad, but feel free to keep supporting such propaganda and external influence of politics. I’m sure it really benefits you
BUT I WAS TOLD THERE’S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BUTTCOIN AND REAL MONEY, WHAT THE HELL?!?11?!
Who could have ever seen this coming other than anyone who thought about it for the briefest amount of time?
If he were smart, he would bring back the Colon and stop using US Dollars. But noo he had to do stupid shit like Bitcoin.
It’s would be much much easier to manipulate the Colon. That’s why it no longer exists.
He’s just a US puppet, Trump literally called him a dictator and said that the Salvadoran people areremoveds and murderers, and Bukele is still licking the US boot. Just like South America’s failson dictator wannabe Daniel Noboa and Captain Ancap in Argentina.
Captain Ancap in Argentina.
And note not even he wants to do crypto
This is good for bitcoin
lol
The thing we all knew would happen, did happen. Crypto is only useful to commit financial crimes and even for that it’s bad.
The only surprise here is that they stuck with it for as long as they did.
