More! I need more of this!
Context from the article:
The congresswoman — as part of a town hall-style event in New York City — claimed that Homan threatened to refer her to the Justice Department after she gave a “Know Your Rights with ICE” webinar to those concerned about President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.
Carry on AOC, just do not forget about the American people, even the asswipes supporting Krasnov.
She’s a Zionist. US needs a better opposition leader, it’s not her.
Oh, I offended their gf.
Oh? This you? Portuguese twat who’s never been to the US thinks AOC is a Zionist?
MF sit the fuck back down and learn how to operate a power grid.
She’s been seen many times supporting Israel.
You’re lack education and manners.
Wait how is she a Zionist??
well unfortunately @o_arguido@lemmy.world is the sole world authority on who is or is not a zionist so unfortunately if o_arguido said she’s a zionist then well nobody can countermand the zion-lord sorrryyy
Ahh got it. I won’t ever question @o_arguido@lemmy.world
You’re a moron. Lemme needs better users, it’s not you.
And here we see a sighting of one nature’s truly disgusting creatures.
The internet troll.
I am so sick of people basing their entire political opinion on what happens in the middle east. News Flash: Many people dont understand what is even happenning. Most of us don’t care.
A politician being fine with bombing civilians somewhere simply means that they are fine with bombing civilians.
And I cannot say that I’m surprised by an American saying that they don’t care about the rest of the world.
That’s why most of the world despise Americans. Keep it up. Fucking murderers. It’s your bombs you fucking idiot
What the hell are you on about? Zionist? Use English. Ain’t no one knows what the fuck that means unless you are some neck bearded troll.
I speak 4 languages. That comment is so fucking American.
And? We are talking about American politics and some dumb narrative that she has anything to do with some thousand year conflict. As much as I appreciate other parts of the world and their issues we have our own. A big one is parrot like morons smearing anyone with stupid catch phrases rather than having any clue what’s behind it. You are serving no one calling me out for calling them out.
Fuck off person who led to trump
Lol aoc is too good for americans, shes a smart person who actually worked to get where she is. No wonder those idiots dont like her
Don’t you belong with your god over on truth social? How did you get here?
She’s always been such an action hero. Even now as the conservatives are emboldened. Tell me who’s gonna lead the god damn revolution.
By the looks of it, her being imprisoned is what might America stand up, or not. Most of Republicans are racist pieces of shit with no moral compass or compassion to the extent that it is guaranteed they all go tell hell if they are Christians for eternity, all to suck an orange mans cock for a few years. Talk about people hurt by being closeted.
Only thing they we’ll make Americans stand up is if they turned off the internet. But then they’d probably just go to tv again.
Bernie and AOC are the only two representatives that have ever gotten me so fired up that I’m signing up for phone banking & door knocking even though that’s like the last fucking thing I wanna do in my free time.
I am even hate calling my state representatives and telling them to just do what AOC says because clearly she’s got the biggest balls in the room and actually understands what her job is-- fighting for the people she represents, not corporate interests.
I called my representative a few years back and his office said you should call your representative because they weren’t it. That was Florida. The day Rubio and Voldemort get to meet the working class, will be a day their family says, oh shit, that’s what I thought
Homan is a Pakled.
Arresting AOC would be the biggest mistake the MAGA Nazis could make. It would virtually guarantee that she will be the leader in post-MAGA America.
Post-MAGA America is what they’re trying to prevent through their fascist attacks on the rule of law and the judiciary.
Every day I’m more convinced that those of us on the left needs to stock up before they start adding registered Democrats to the NICS database to keep us from buying weapons.
But it is absolutely the kind of mistake they would make.
It’s gonna be Green vs AOC in ‘28
(Assuming there will be an election)
Greens are in bed with Putin, same as the GOP. They never attempt any campaign that can have a positive impact. They’re not leftists or worth support from anyone who is remotely left of center.
Sorry, GreenE. Marjorie Taylor Greene
MTG v AOC
Oh my. That makes more sense in an awful way.
Finally, a brave Amarican standing up
y’all gonna have to give me a ‘blunt free speech reminder’ after I go non-verbal when I finish smoking that shit.
Here’s another free speech reminder:
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/09/anti-war-activist-police-aoc-video/I with you OP. This is the right way and the right attitude.
Homan, when asked about Evers’ guidance outside the White House on Thursday, answered, “Wait ’til you see what’s coming.”
🧐
I love her gumption, but I really fear she’s underestimating her opposition. They’ve already shown they care nothing about the rule of law, so counting on that to “protect” you is a losing bet in the long term.
I’m sure AOC knows what she is up against, and she still chooses to speak out because she is brave and these things need to be said.
It’s terrible, but what we need is the final layer of the mask to come of ASAP. Right now the US population is a slowly-boiling frog, and to get regular people to act we may need the heat to get turned up to 11.
I think she’s doing what’s right and good, and there’s not a lot of that going around right now. I stand for and with her. Bring it if they want to mess with her.
I love her gumption, but I really fear she’s underestimating her opposition. They’ve already shown they care nothing about the rule of law, so counting on that to “protect” you is a losing bet in the long term.
I love how difficult it is to determine which party is her opposition.
No.
She understands the risks, and she’s willing to die and be a martyr if that’s what’s necessary.
We shouldn’t be talking like this regardless. Don’t normalize any ideas they might have. If you make what’s next expected, they’re more likely to do it and more likely to get away with it.
You didn’t read the article. Paraphrasing but:
“Use it or lose it. We’re gonna use it”
I think the point is to expect blood to be spilled, and to prepare for when that happens. That means giving AOC bodyguards, access to a friendly National Guard, food testers, ect. Trump will try to kill her, we should use all measures to safeguard AOC’s life. Acknowledging the reality of her possible death is the first step to preventing that.
Acknowledging the reality
Doesn’t need to be done on public social media.
Why not exactly?
Look at social media today. It’s ok for nazi salutin’ Musk? But not for fighting back?
Grow the fuck up, yo.
I like AOC, but I feel you may be overestimating her political will.
Really? Her actions show the opposite of that.
What makes you say that?
Well, she can either cower in fear and comply in advance, or fight to the limits of what she can do. They are coming for her either way.
I think she is what the Democrats should be. She is doing her job. TBH electing her president would restore a lot of the public image Trump lost the US.
electing her president would restore a lot of the public image Trump lost the US.
i think this is not true… a large portion of what the US has in reputation was stability: trump as proved that the systems in place on the US can be bent and abused in ways nobody thought possible… the only way to fix that is systemic change
4 years of AOC won’t change that the same thing can happen again at the end of her term
I’m not saying it would restore all of it, or even most of it, but being a country that can also elect an AOC would restore hope that the US is not beyond redemption.
They are coming for her either way.
This is the most important lesson for everyone. There is no safety in complacency. There is no peace after appeasement.
You fight today, or you die tomorrow. They might not come for you first, but they will come for you. By the time they do, who will be left to speak out?
This is absolutely the lesson we all need to learn. It is always true, in history, life, and art with such ghouls:
That doesn’t mean we can’t delay him. And his name is Voldemort, Filius. You might as well use it, he’s going to try and kill you either way. -Prof McGonagall
We need politicians to push back on the fascists. If they go after AOC too aggressively it will make her a martyr to the cause and give the rest of us someone to aspire to.
If the limp Democratic opposition continues to do nothing, and we will all feel abandoned to the Red-hats, it only gives trump more power.
If the limp Democratic opposition continues to do nothing, and we will all feel abandoned to the Red-hats, it only gives trump more power.
Don’t threaten them with a good time.
She should pull her shirt up to cover her head, hold her arms out like a cactus, and say “Are you threatening me?”
I think people think you’re trivializing her opposition, but honestly, derisive comedy is one of the only ways to truly undermine fascism. Fearing them may be wise after they are established, but it does only make them stronger.
Also, anyone not watching the new Beavis & Butthead series is missing out, it’s really good.
I am the great Cornholio!
(I got it, even if goobers thought you were insinuating she she flash her chest.)
When I saw all the downvotes, I suddenly realized that Beavis and Butthead are “for old people” now.
I mean, inappropriate comments are ever-present when this politician has the spotlight, from the very beginning of her career. On first read I thought this was just another, and someone’s opinion re: AOC tells you a lot about them as a person. The mass downvotes on comments in this thread are a clue, for example. Some people have a curiously strong urge to put her in “her place.”
all she needs now to be taken seriously is to leave the sold-out Democrat party
Is congresswoman
Is subject of article
Is one of the best known democrats
A nobody says she should leave the party to be taken seriously
lol okay. And I’m a nobody too, that’s why I have a Lemmy account
How does that help anyone? That would just be performative
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing. It has all the infrastructure set up already. So let’s take it.
Let’s tea party the Democratic party and force them left, kicking and screaming. Let’s build a large enough faction of actual progressives and leftists that Democrats are forced to come to the table. We flip red seats and take vacant ones. Then we primary incumbent Democrats who don’t get with the game plan
That’s what the whole fighting oligarchy tour is about
LOL
The Democratic party is right there, and it stands for nothing.
That’d be nice, but no. The Democratic Party stands for keeping leftists out of power and, if possible, keeping neoliberals in power. It’s a shit platform, but it’s there and it means they’ll fight you tooth and nail (or simply kick you out, as they’re trying to do to David Hogg) if you try to bring even center-left politics to the party.
Oh, I’m certain they’ll fight, but I’m not talking about changing the party. I’m talking about taking their base to take their seats
I’m talking about a hostile takeover, we make a big enough faction and we can take the party, along with the infrastructure and less involved voters
Why do you think they’re trying to kick out Higgs? It’s not because they think he’s more dangerous as an independent
I’m talking about a hostile takeover, we make a big enough faction and we can take the party, along with the infrastructure and less involved voters
That’d be nice, but my point is that the party will fight you tooth and nail if you try to do that, and if you choose to work within the party they’ll have a lot more leverage over you via party bylaws, appeals to party unity, etc, and they’ll use that leverage to, for example, dilute your political program and drive a rift between your base and leadership and between more and less dedicated members of the movement. These aren’t trivial concerns; handled improperly (or maybe even if handled properly) they could very well spell the end of your attempted takeover.
Why do you think they’re trying to kick out Higgs? It’s not because they think he’s more dangerous as an independent
Because he has a high-ranking office within the party and doesn’t have wide national appeal. Also note that Hoggs isn’t a leftist; he’s a liberal who simply wants Democrat gerontocrats gone. He’s running a completely different path from the one we’re talking about here, and still there’s a good chance he gets kicked out and proves my point that the DNC won’t tolerate change from within.
And what is the other option? Start up a third party? We don’t have time for that.
If the stars aligned, best case, it would take a bare minimum of 2 election cycles to get a party established. One to get enough seats to form a voting block and gain legitimacy to the average voter, then another to gain enough seats to be more than a side note
And meanwhile, Democrats will still exist, and since they hate the left more than fascism they’ll still fight tooth and nail.
We don’t have time or other options.
We don’t have time for that.
Why? What’s the deadline? If you mean to stop fascism then either way fascism isn’t going to be stopped at the ballot box; parties and elections are day after stuff.
It kinda can… This brand of incompetent fascism at least
Who are key holders of power right now? Trump and his backers haven’t solidified their control, the military leadership is balking at the incompetence, the judiciary is realizing if they cave to Trump they’ll give up all power, and the oligarchs running the media and economy are getting cold feet
They still need Congress. And with Musk proving himself incapable of primarying anyone, the. Cracks are forming in the solid front they had initially… The tea party turned maga was able to take over the party for exactly that reason, and now Trump’s endorsement is becoming a liability. Hell, even MTG is making moves to break with Trump
We don’t have to wait for elections to make a difference. The fighting oligarchy tour is making everyone pay very careful attention to election projections - in special elections we’ve already shown the game has changed
We don’t have time, because this is our chance. Both parties are in turmoil, and the people are louder than ever. And most of what Trump has done hasn’t actually hit people yet… This summer is going to be rough
This is the greatest chance the left has had in a century. If we can lock into what we do next and unite, Trump could be stopped and the midterms could be a true tuning point. We could get the momentum to fix things
Or, we can let the democrats come back in and grandstand about civility and reaching across the isle to the monsters.
The Democratic party is going to win in a landslide the next two elections, whether in their current form or under new management
agreed, the Dems are beyond redemption. Hard to stomach all the replies here, implication being that after enduring 4 more years of Trump we’re faced with another neoliberal smiley gladhand who will say some of the right things but work only to maintain the status quo and corporate hegemony. But alas, we can’t have meaningful change until people come around to the reality of what the Dems and Repugs have been doing since the 1970s.
Wake up you fucking jackasses, Dems are not going to save you.
It’s just mass delusion at this stage if anyone believes the democrats will embrace leftism.
America has FPTP—she loses any practical chance of influence if she does that. Unless you vote for one of the main two parties, you create the same outcome as if you voted for the party you like least.
The better bet is to push her up to the top of the party and drag it kicking and screaming leftward. Then frankly, start pushing for voting reform to fix this problem
There is no reforming a right wing party or pushing politicians left. The only influence in DC is money, they don’t give a flying fuck what we think
So do what AOC did and get involved in changing it then? It’s certainly more left with her in it than not—imagine if half the party was made up with people with more left wing views. I do not understand why so many of you guys are so inert on this.
The alternative is revolution, and given that involves personal sacrifice in the most hyper-individualist country on the planet, you’re going to have an uphill struggle with getting enough people together to even make the news.
One option is a practical thing you can actually do, without having to wait for anyone else, to start on a path of improving things to align with your views. The other is basically waiting and hoping things eventually get so bad it short-circuits the capitalist propaganda that’s been shoved down every American’s throat since they could breathe. Then that you can get enough people together for a violent revolution at all, let alone enough for one to be successful.
Frankly, if you’re waiting anyway, you may as well get involved in the thing you can do today. Even if at the very least just to get voting reform done—then you can at least vote for a third party and benefit from that vote, could even be a vanguard party!
So do what AOC did and get involved in changing it then?
The party is still republican-lite, but now it’s your fault for not being involved enough.
Chumming up to the Cheney’s isn’t Republican lite. That’s just a slip away from Trump.
I live in the UK, my impact has its limits. I’m involved in my country though
is this still about being cisgender
They love their chains
I think I’d rather she stay. We all wish there were an alternative, but historically third parties have not done well. Easier to get her in as the head of the thing and clean it up that way.
Will never happen though, sadly.
Easier to get her in as the head of the thing and clean it up that way.
Uh… What makes you think that’s ever going to happen?
Still more chance of it happening than a viable third party, that’s the argument.
Why? It’s longer and less obvious than “establish party now run for president tomorrow,” but with a progressive leftwing third party a clear path to success exists. Now technically one also exists within the Democratic Party, but to take that path you’d need to antagonize the old guard so much that you might as well not be a party member at all, and they’ll still demand ideological or practical compromises to keep you in the party. This will lose you legitimacy with your base in the same way many progressives are souring on AOC, either significantly curtailing the effort or destroying it entirely. The problem with working within the party is simple: You’ll never get anything done by appeasing neoliberals.
to take that path you’d need to antagonize the old guard so much that you might as well not be a party member at all, and they’ll still demand ideological or practical compromises to keep you in the party
You have to do this regardless. You cannot have a viable third party without pulling a majority of Democratic voters away from the existing party. There simply isn’t enough votes to beat the GOP by starting a new progressive only party. And if you think you’re gonna pull conservative voters, hello Kamala Harris’ campaign manager.
We have a greater advantage in the primaries than we do during the general election, but my fellow progressives just refuse to fucking show up. Bernie absolutely could have won ,even with the DNC putting their thumb on the scale. You can say it’s rigged against us, but the numbers don’t lie, progressive voters haven’t shown up to vote and it only benefits the GOP.
You have to do this regardless.
Of course, but my point is that if they’re gonna hate your guts and sabotage you anyway, you might as well make sure you have a free hand to take them on rather than pointlessly try to appease them. This way you give them less leverage over you, or in other words you don’t give them consent to sabotage you to their heart’s content. Of course they can still try, but for example tools like party bylaws and appeals to party unity cease to mean shit. This is crucial because while neoliberals like to play dumb, they’re not dumb; when they come to wreck your movement they’re going to go for the jugular. See for example how AOC lost the Democratic Socialists of America’s endorsement by compromising on Israel and how the DNC is trying to kick David Hoggs out of the party. The way I see it is that while there are a few paths for a progressive group trying to take over/cannibalize the Democratic Party, all of them are mutually exclusive with compromise with neoliberals.
Bernie absolutely could have won ,even with the DNC putting their thumb on the scale. You can say it’s rigged against us, but the numbers don’t lie, progressive voters haven’t shown up to vote and it only benefits the GOP.
Sounds about right but can you provide those numbers?
Establishing a party is very hard, in a country as big as the US it takes decades.
On the other hand, the political establishment will push back against a third party outside the Democratic Party just as much as inside. I honestly don’t know what’s the right path.
If we could pass Ranked Choice voting, those third and more parties could actually do something. In neighboring Idaho, there were signs trying to prevent RCV on the grounds that it was “confusing”. Propaganda gonna propaganda.
Remember that half of Americans are dumb enough to vote for Trump. A lot of the other half are also just voting for their favorite letter, without any thought of who’s holding it. Even with RCV, there’s an enormous amount of work to convince people who’ve been voting for their favorite letter for decades, who’ve been told for decades that politicians are all the same, to even pay enough attention to realize there’s another option.
RCV would be a start, but the start of a similarly decades-long process. IMO, it would be easier and faster to reform Dems from within. Recruit properly progressive candidates to primary the tired, old corporate Dems, inspire some of our younger non-voters, and change the party direction. Still take a few election cycles, but you’d keep the people who just vote for their favorite letter.
Never gonna happen though, sadly. If the Dems ever turn anti corporate I’ll happily eat my hat though.
If we could pass Ranked Choice voting
Sadly, that’s not going to happen any time soon. In fact, the Republicans are even now working on passing new legislation that will ban RCV in elections for federal office. Who’s going to stop them. There are maybe half a dozen people in all of Congress that would support RCV. This bill is almost certain to be passed.
Unfortunately the Democratic establishment is against ranked choice voting just as much as the Republicans, because it would challenge the two party system.
Yep, hence my statement that there are only about half a dozen in all of Congress that support it.
Alaska and Maine have managed to get it so I think there’s still hope on that front so long as we continue to have free and fair elections…and that law doesn’t pass/is struck down.
Most Dems and independents would support RCV because it increases their chances of continued power.
There has been a lot of disinformation out there about RCV so you can’t even count on support from those who would benefit if they fall for the propaganda. It is definitely an uphill battle.
