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How about the “graduate from highschool challenge”?
Felony conviction any % speed run.
Perhaps it’s more like “Kids short-circuiting school issued chromebooks because of excessive surveillance.”
…but probably not (or at least, not entirely) because many kids are dumb.
source: was a dumb kid.
Nah, before Chromebooks we’d vandalize the text books and desk.
I would take the balls from mice
And also computer mice
Which also meant that they had to seal them in…
Which means that you couldn’t clean them out when they got dirty.
Fun times.
Excessive surveillance? It’s school property lol
It’s school property with a camera and microphone in their homes lol
You’re assuming that they’re ones that leave the school property. You’re also assuming that they are constantly recording audio and video, which being chromebooks we know they’re most likely not since they’re low spec low storage devices since they’re cloud based.
It happens, for security sake it’s usually safer to prepare for the worst case scenario.
This is also assuming there’s some mastermind at the school compiling all this data versus some teacher working essentially a second job dealing with broken chromebooks every day because kids are irresponsible. Suggeating this is anything but good old fashioned vandalism of school property is ludicrous, but it’s also an expected conclusion for here on Lemmy. Some of the comments in this thread are seriously unhinged.
To sum it up, kids are dumb and always have been and it’s nothing more than that.
Check out the down/up votes on your comment vs mine, and also the stupid conspiracy theory one I replied to. People on here are so brainwashed that they follow every dogpile they see, which in this case is purely because of who is saying something - me in this case. I’ve got a bunch of lemmings following every comment I make across instances just spouting hatred and abuse and downvoting and reporting everything. An admin has even confirmed to me that 90% of the reports they get, and there are lots, are from the same users over and over and over on every comment I make.
Lemmy is so far beyond gone it’s not even funny at this point. The actual reality and truth doesn’t matter, only what the mob decides does.
Yeah, here and Reddit, I find myself nodding along often enough, and that’s when I know I should perhaps adjust my viewpoint, just for the sake of making sure I’m not just nodding along. It’s unfortunate you’re perhaps being brigaded a bit, but it doesn’t matter. I say what I’m gonna say, people can think whatever. I like to think that we can come here speak on things, have philosophical discussions, but it feels like sometimes the whole discussion has been aimed in a certain direction before it even got underway.
Yeah I don’t care about “karma” or any scores, but I do like to use it as a way to gauge the “temperature” of the conversation. As soon as the dogpiling starts happening, and benign comments that are in no way disagreeable - or even the same as other comments that are highly upvoted - are mass downvoted, you know that you’re in a circle jerk echo chamber.
I’ll happily continue voicing my opinion and defending my stance, but I know it’s a losing battle because the majority aren’t here to actually learn or discuss or change their minds - they’re here to circle jerk and tell each other how bad the thing they hate is and shame those who don’t hate it as much as they do.
Hi there, I’m currently in highschool. You don’t understand how school laptops work. There was a court case where a school laptop was recording from a child’s home - it actually happened.
Also when you shut the screen it doesn’t turn off all the way. I’ve had times where I shut the screen, out it in my bag and 45 minutes later on my Bluetooth headphones I’ll head the windows notification sound.
And just for clarity, do I personally believe that they are spying with audio/video? probably not tbh.
Do they track EVERYTHING you do on the laptop? yes. Very obviously yes.Hi there, I’m a tech enthusiast who has worked in the industry longer than you’ve been alive. I know how they work, but thanks for trying to teach me (honestly, good on you for the way you’ve gone about your post)
Closing the screen hasn’t been a complete shutdown in at least a decade. It defaults to a low power state. On devices that are more “always on” like Win10onARM and Chromebook devices, they default to a low power state that still receive notifications etc. This can be changed, but likely not on a school owned and issued device.
Yes, they obviously track everything you do on school issued devices. This should be clear to everyone. It would be spelled out in the terms and conditions of getting it in the first place. The case you’re talking about was almost 20 years ago iirc (2007 I believe), and the photos taken by the device were part of a “help us retrieve stolen devices” thing, that was “not adequately explained” to the parents/kids. It would regularly take photos so it could have evidence of who stole them and where they might be.
Recording everything just in case they’re cheating lol
Good. Less spyware machines in the world.
As I age I find myself feeling more and more like the cool step-dad or uncle.
Y’know I hate everything Chromebooks stand for. “You get 'em, kid. Now how about we get some pizza?”
What does “clout” mean?
Net Cred
Yeah basically it’s like good aura
Another word for fame
Thanks
Also reputation
Aura
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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/clout
Are you not a native English speaker? It’s not an uncommon word.
Nope.
It’s the first time I’ve seen this word.
Not even that bad, they are learning about electricity in a hands-on manner. USB standards protect against short circuits so this is over exaggerated heavily.
Fucking a computer with scissors is a way to perhaps die and/or burn down buildings, I don’t think they learn shit
Sadly, this makes me miss when people pretended to slip and fall at the grocery store so they could throw milk jugs in the air and make a mess.
lol
It’d be a crying shame if the students were required to complete the school year with physical books and a notebook.
Normally that’s exactly what they would do if enough students destroyed their computers to blow through the loaners. The frustrating thing is this is happening right when schools are set to do state testing and state testing is mostly online now. This requires every student in the building to have a device at the same time. Normally all the loaners would be for kids who forgot theirs that day.
Good, chromebooks suck.
What do you suggest children use instead?
I don’t get it. I was never this stupid as a kid.
I was. When the bell would ring and the halls were hectic I would put popcorn in the communal microwave and put like 20 min and leave and sometimes nobody would notice till it catches fire
I almost burned down the school a couple times
Hopefully you’re less of a piece of shit now
Woah
Dude, Sounds like you were old enough to understand that almost burning down your school intentionally, multiple times, was bad. Bullies or not. I’m not sure why you’re taken aback by someone thinking a little arsonist in training isn’t a good kid.
IIRC constant abuse tends to ‘reset’ the brain to earlier points of development where there was no abuse as it attempts to find less painful behaviour patterns. This results in delayed development of certain areas of the brain; most notably the prefrontal cortex that is heavily involved with decision making and social behaviour but that isn’t fully developed until one reaches ~25 years old so I don’t know what you mean by “should be old enough to understand” because they clearly weren’t physically capable of it.
Source is introductory psychology courses. One of my professors is a researcher in child development and worked a lot with kids like the person you’re replying too. Treating them like “pieces of shit” just leads to more damage, so chill out.
It never burned down just ruined the microwave
You literally said you nearly burned the school down multiple times.
Exaggerated obviously. The school is made of brick it wasn’t going to burn if I tried
I feel you. I suppose a lot of people can’t imagine what it was like.
I was a victim of this prank in college. We were on a road trip, sleeping in a lounge at another school and were awakened by a fire alarm. Somehow while we were sleeping a toaster with broken spring appeared on a table, filled with bread we didn’t have. The room filled with smoke, the entire dorm was evacuated, the fire department came.
After the fact, I realized I was probably explaining the situation to the perpetrators, but I don’t know if my annoyance at stupid prank was still amusing. They did keep straight faces.
Same, but I had classmates who were.
Ditto. I grew up helping fix VCR by replacing displaced bands and gears. I knew to be careful not the let the magic smoke come out. Bad genie!
I used to be a teacher in the 2010s. I remember boys having this ghost pepper challenge they would do that would put them in literal tears.
I never stopped them. Some just have to learn through experience that being an idiot to impress your buds isn’t going to result in a good time for you.
That’s, like, a normal logical one. It’s actually food, it’s spicy. It makes sense to compete to see who can handle the spicy food. This is independently invented every day.
Stealing faucets from public bathrooms? That’s not a normal logical one. That’s a devious lick, and something invented to be highly memetic and propelled by a highly optimized algorithm that incentivizes recency, novelty, and dopamine hacking. It even effectively had a brand name!
How about pooping on top of the toilet reservoir?
That’s actually harming someone, at least the janitor but it’s a hygiene issue and potential disease source. Yes it’s a stupid teenage prank but it does actual harm to someone else. Not cool (plus i don’t get why this would be funny: I’d groups it with the crayon eater and glue huffer , possibly complain to the school about special kids that need more assistance)
My kid calls it an “upper decker”
We called it that in the 80s in rural Canada.
Eating a spicy pepper is just harmless fun. I’d join in that activity today.
Yeah, but some of that stuff isn’t just a spicy pepper. One kid died because of extreme capsaicin revealing a heart issue: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/death-teen-ate-spicy-chip-experts-rethinking-capsaicin-effects-rcna152766
If he died because playing soccer revealed a heart issue, would you ban soccer? At some point you need to stop overthinking all possible edge cases, stop attempting to pad yourself from all possible danger
I don’t think anyone should be living their lives in fear of being killed by zestiness
Plus did you read the article? It’s whole shtick is adverting “intense pain and searing heat” as a challenge yet the lawyer is trying to make it a truth in advertising issue. While I feel for the family, I don’t see how requiring an “adult use only”has any benefit to anyone nor clarify what the product is. There so many issues with lying advertising, I don’t see focussing on “telling the truth asa challenge”
I defend that one, it’s just challenging yourself, no harm to anyone else or any property, almost no danger of medical harm. What’s the harm in letting them embarrass themselves for the right to claim they did something others couldn’t?
That’s why I let them do it. If it would have harmed them seriously or someone else I would have stopped it. But still doesn’t make it less stupid. They put themselves in legit pain due to peer pressure.
If anything it served a good lesson so they might be less likely to succumb to peer pressure on things which may cause real harm in the future.
If so, I never learned that lesson. When I first heard about the one chip challenge, I was seriously tempted to challenge my teens to see if they could beat me
You didn’t have the same social and monetary incentives TikTok provides.
Most of us were differently stupid, only because we didn’t have access to other people’s stupid ideas.
My worst moment of stupidity was lighting off fireworks in a barn full of dry hay. That could have gone so much worse than just ruining some cheap disposable electronics
Are you sure? Kids are pretty stupid.
I never intentionally destroyed expensive electronics to “try to impress” anyone in real life, let alone online (although that didn’t quite exist yet).
So, yeah, I’m sure.
When I was a kid schools didn’t have expensive electronics to destroy. But we sure drew a ton of penises in expensive textbooks.
Those textbooks cost pennies. It’s the licenses that were expensive.
My buddy stuck a paper clip in an electrical socket while we were in the cafeteria. Because his cousin had told him it would shoot sparks across the room. All it did was make him scream real loud, then the power to half of the cafeteria went out when the breaker blew.
Another friend “accidentally” stapled his homework to his hand, to try and get out of going to music class. Apparently his plan was to ham it up and go to the nurse instead. The teacher laughed, called him an idiot, and sent him to music class with a band-aid.
Kids have always been fucking stupid. The only difference is that now every kid has an internet-connected camera in their pocket, so their stupidity is more visible.
In second grade I remember a kid stapled his tongue lol
I had a girl staple her hand by accident, went to the nurse. We spent the next 30 minutes watching the teacher deal with a kid trying to staple himself on purpose so he could leave too.
He did eventually get to leave, but not because of the staple.
Some of my shenanigans definitely involved breaking electronics
Same. To me, messing with a computer seemed like a great way to be on the hook for destruction of school property.
(That said, I did once disable the USB inputs for a computer in the BIOS so the keyboard and mouse would stop working, as a practical joke.)
I guess I never hung around any of you.
Lol, good point. I often forget how I was put in advanced classes at an early age with other students who performed well. I need to consider that more in my adult life, that most of the adults I’m encountering were the people in the regular classes.
I was pretty stupid
Aren’t the families responsible for the damages?
Yes they are. These 9th graders are feral though. That realization would require forethought.
Some of these kids should have been sent out to cut trail for a year between HS and Middle School.
What does “cut trail” mean in this context? Do you mean literally going to walking trails and maintaining them? Is there precident for that?
That was what I was referring to. I was being a bit hyperbolic, but a year in national service (beyond just the military) to do community service and gain skills in general not a new proposal. Pete Buttigieg suggested it after HS as part of his candidacy during the 2020 democratic primary.
I was having a similar conversation with my teen - out hiking and wondering how the trails were built and maintained. We talked scouting service projects and all the way back to the WPA, but have no actual info. The park is a hill so there are several rough stone stairways up to the ridge trail. They probably last years but do need attention
Occasionally you see online ideas about a year of service for every new adult and this would be a good option
*Junior High
This is highly dependent on the state and even the areas within a state. Here in California for instance we have the Williams Act which lays out a ton of guidance. Some of which impact students paying for things at schools. Some districts in the state view Williams Act and 1:1 Chromebook deployments as being something that the student/parents aren’t responsible for paying for even when they purposefully damage it. This can change though from region to region in the state based on how a districts legal team and its board chooses to read the law since no one so far (at least as far as I was last aware and I work in edtech) has pushed to see where it stops or starts. I’ve worked for districts that were on separate ends of that spectrum and even in the district that made parents pay for damages we still would give them a replacement and not charge them since it was added to a “tab” and only if they wanted transcripts did they have to pay.
That’s fair. In my district your insurance is covered if you qualify for assistance, but intentional damage isn’t included in insurance.
In my school we will still replace the Chromebook though (barring admin or district saying otherwise), and the financial impact will be fought by others at the district level. It’s above my pay grade.
We live in hell
Wouldn’t the port get shutdown/disabled if you try to overload it?
the wise committee who designed such ports made the directly access the rest of motherboard and CPU
Behold the next generation of voters.
It’s how the US got Trump. The “Trump Train” was a meme, first.
Well, maybe a school-issued computer should be designed differently than a consumer device.
Maybe such things should be considered beforehand.
In industrial ergonomics you are supposed to, ideally, present a worker with a few buttons with abundantly clear results of pressing them and no forbidden combinations leading to unexpected\undefined\dangerous results.
Kids sticking things into what’s given to them are not an unexpected event. I’d say kids doing that are better than kids not doing that. And if it’s expected, then this is almost entrapment.
Oh, oh, OH, you can’t just put a consumer device with a web browser with Google and MS and Apple shit into schools then? No kickbacks from those companies? So fucking sad.
Forcing a kid to wear around a centrally managed device with a microphone and a camera makes me want to vomit. That should be illegal as many other things. It’s a disgusting world.
These should be military-level (by resilience to attempts to throw them out of the window, sink them in the water, overheat them and so on) devices with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM. That’s by far enough to run school programs. If you think it’s not, then you are possessed by collective delusions, that’s a thing in crowd psychology, so drink a glass of water, listen to cars\birds, look at the sky and answer which fundamentally new tasks you need to solve as compared to having year 1999 Internet (as in open a static webpage, follow links, send forms), WordPerfect and Basic. Especially at school.
We use axes, knives, hammers and screwdrivers and other stuff to do things, more or less as they existed 300 years ago, when we are not professionals, who of course use power tools.
with something like FreeDOS+OpenGEM.
Sigh. Watching windows users try to make sense of the computing world is always cringe.
I’m not a Windows user. Unix-likes are also too complex for most tasks.
And your tone evokes suspicion that you’ve switched to Linux not so long ago and think that brings authority. Nah. It’s just an OS. Its users are as qualified as Windows users. When you’ll be able to explain to me how an IP packet passes through the networking stack, or something like that, then maybe. At least how virtual memory works, or swapping, or syscalls, or process scheduling.
OK, admittedly I don’t remember shit of any of that.
Just - wanting something more minimal doesn’t mean I’m ignorant of Unices.
Unsure why this has downvotes and not more conversation, it’s not that hot of a take and downvotes don’t mean anything here.
It’s maybe not that hot a take to lifelong nerds who grew up with the Apple II and are disconnected from how kids use computers in schools in the 21st century.
“School computers should be more durable and run Linux” isn’t that hot a take. FreeDOS??? WTF?
Not to mention that he basically called everyone who disagrees with him stupid.
That’s not cheap. Schools can’t afford that. The kids know better.
Chromebooks are much more expensive than normal computers.
A Chromebook for school kids costs around $200 when I was in school 5 years ago… A normal computer would cost closer to 500
Chromebooks are cheap compared to average laptop but still expensive compared to identical laptops with same components.
So I should have said overcharged instead of expensive.
2GB ram chromebooks you can find on ebay are an exception as they are not getting any more updates soon.
A normal computer would cost closer to 500
Wrong.
That can be as cheap as Chromebook. Expenses at reliability are partially redeemed by no need for such complexity and computing power.
Chromebooks that schools use don’t have any computing power to speak of. There’s none to lose
Arguably they already do take physical abuse into account, by focussing on cheap replacements
