• Flax@feddit.uk
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    Wouldn’t they still need insulin though? Even if in lesser quantities.

    Not against state funded mandatory cooking classes though if it’ll help people eat healthier alongside insulin, though.

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      Type I and II diabetes (mellitus) are different diseases and insulin use isn’t simple enough that diet recommendations (which every diagnosed diabetic probably already knows) are a magical missing piece for RFK Jr.

      People with type I are deficient in insulin and it’s part of treating the disease right away. Insulin is used for people with type II, who aren’t deficient but can’t use insulin well, later in the disease progression if other treatments are no longer effective.

      If a person with type II diabetes is on insulin, diet was probably treatment number one and has probably already failed or isn’t effective enough.

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        Good point. Some people are born with diabetes. Diabetes-like symptoms can also appear due to Cancer treatment. I think a diet can reduce insulin intake, but I don’t think it’ll full on make it obsolete.

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          People also can develop T1 well after birth. It’s often caused by a mis-targeted immune response killing insulin production, as happened with me at 27 and nearly killed me.

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    A good rule of thumb whenever I hear anything about what this administration does in regards to health I try to look at it through the lens of eugenics. They want to get rid of the people they consider “weak” and think that using money to help those that need it to be a waste of money. People with autism, weak immune systems, chronic illnesses, poor people, drug addicts, and pretty much anyone else they consider undesirable and less than human. Also, they consider our tax money as their personal bank account as if the country was a company and our taxes are their profits. Pretty fucked up, but it makes more sense than trying to rationalize clearly irrational behavior.

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    TIL the head of the FDA has the inability to take half a second and google the word diabetes.

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      No! Stop acting like they’re all stupid, that’s what they want you to think.

      He was a pancreatic surgeon at Johns Hopkins. It’s literally impossible for him to not be familiar with diabetes unless he has experienced serve memory loss recently.

      He’s pushing eugenics and wanting to kill off people with chronic illnesses

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        Well, I was joking but you make fantastic points and I agree with you.

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          I’m glad you agree, but the problem is that making jokes of their willful evil is literally helping them. It’s making light of a situation and implying ignorance in their actions. When in reality they are knowingly trying to kill people,

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        It’s always wild to me when I see people with long, often illustrious careers in things like law or medicine, only to pull something like this that is completely antithetical to everything they’ve ever studied or worked toward, and shit all over their legacy.

        Like why the fuck were you a surgeon in the first place? If you had these views, why would you go into a career that focuses on helping to keep chronically ill people alive? What is going on in these people’s heads?

        Same shit with people like Alito and Thomas. You spent your entire life studying and upholding the US Constitution, and then you get appointed to the highest court in the nation, and decide “yeah fuck that thing, let’s have a dictator”?

        It’s mind boggling. I would really like to just have some insight into what is happening in these peoples’ minds…

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        This. It’s literally just suggesting “well how about we just let them die”, AKA murder. The HHS especially is now just being filled with eugenicists who are, in general, too chickenshit to just come out and say “well we should kill all of them”.

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        Its actually kinda interesting how long they have been taking the “poor and disabled will just kill themselves off” approach. In 2012 Romney was also campaigning on repealing Medicaid and Medicare.
        He literally said “people don’t die from a lack of insurance” happy to ignore any chronic diseases and blame the individual.

        He even had proposed less funding for ambulances and more for services to collect bodies cause he even expected more people to die. We are still there with this party but even more racist and victim blaming while being more aggressive in who the other is while demanding more children to keep capitalism going up… Bunch of the worst people who just want whatever they want and never reality.

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    Is a total ban on diabetes medicine on the way? This is an effort to kill anyone who isn’t young and fit.

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      Is a total ban on diabetes medicine on the way?

      Insulin, anyways. I’m sure semaglutide will still be available, since it’s such a weight-loss wonder-drug

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      This is an effort to kill anyone who isn’t young and fit.

      Or also chronically ill. I’m (relatively) young and very fit, but I’m also type 1 and require insulin to live. It’s eugenics, plain and simple.

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      Yeah, I’d say yes. It’s a primer and warning shot. They’ll roll it out in phases.

      It gets a reaction out of us. And not always a logical one. A lot of people’s gut instinct is just to deny whatever “they” say. That does two things:

      First, it gets their base thinking and talking about how many T2 diabetics are supposedly just consequences of lifestyle.

      Second, it pushes the left into reflexively denying that even though it’s partly true. So now, when any real conversation comes up, there’s already a schism. And they can use that to sneak more garbage through, stuff that benefits them and their friends.

      Can we head them off at the pass?

      No. Never.

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        A ton of T2 diabetes is about lifestyle and not much else that’s still absolutely not a reason to deny a person medical care! What’s next? Denying cancer care if they say it happened because of your lifestyle? It’s amoral

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        Can we head them off at the pass?

        No. Never.

        Can it come to pass that their heads come off?

        “All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.”

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    As much i love a good trashing of politican the real quote was “Maybe we need to treat more diabetes with cooking classes, not just throwing insulin at people,”

    Better diet really could help prevent type 2 diebetes and personally i think prevention is always better solution than treatment.

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      I guess I agree with that in certain contexts. I remember my buddy became a real nutrition expert after his diagnosis. Kind of taught us all about balancing carbs and fiber and reducing sugar, etc.

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      Hum… but your quote indeed uses “treat”, I am no expert, but I feel it might be the verb form of “treatment”…

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        Great. Everybody has right for feelings.

        Its almost like language is funny thing that can be ambiguous and interpreted in many ways. Often the way it suits the person reading it the best.

        Im not expert but one might think that in this particular contects he might be using word treat as in the saying “prevention is the best medicine.” And some asshole could comment “I am no expert, but I feel prevention might not be medicine at all”

        I dont like the dude and in all truth i could not care less about americans assbackwards medical care system, but i just hate when people take things out of context and try to spin it the way it is best for their own agenta moving the conversation towards hating person/country/religion/political group/ what ever they want instead of thinking that the person might have some idea.

        Like in this case we could be writing how we could effect how to get people eat healthier instead of being smartasses.

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      The thing is, they act like this isn’t happening already. My doctor frequently checks and monitors my blood sugar and has scheduled conversations with nutritionists to help me adjust my lifestyle and diet.

      This is the fucking standard of care.

      These quacks are just perpetuating the myth that doctors “just push meds” and are controlled by “big pharma”. It’s how conspiracy theories work. You take a small kernel of truth (we treat some diabetes with insulin) and then just make up sinister stories around it.

      Edit: what they actually want is to ne able to blame people who have diabetes for having diabetes. That way they are justified in denying them life-saving medication.

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    To be fair, our western diet of mainly cheap non-nutritive carbs suck. America needs desperately to change their diet but when Michelle Obama tried to encourage better eating habits the Republicans attacked her. JFK jr, on the other hand is totally nuts.
    It must have been quit a challenge to find the most incompetent losers to fill the failed, fucked-up, fat, fascist, felon’s cabinet.

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      You do know there are different types of diabetes, right? And a lot of different things that can lead to diabetes?

      Some people do get there, in part, due to poor diet, but not everyone.

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      There’s no need to be fair here. Insulin is absolutely essential for diabetics, and the head of the FDA trying to proclaim that cooking classes are a viable alternative is nonsense. For type 1 diabetics, no amount of healthy eating is going to get their body to produce insulin. For type 2 diabetics, it is possible to eventually get to a point where you can be stable without insulin, but not for everybody and not right away. Insulin treatment is the only way to survive with diabetes for an extended period of time, and the focus needs to be on ensuring that insulin is both affordable and accessible.

      Yes, there are things to improve in our food supply, but don’t let that distract from how egregiously insane his comments are about diabetes.

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      To be fair

      Well there’s your problem. Never hand it to fascists (or grifters, or cult leaders, etc. — basically any kind of bad faith actors).

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      It must have been quit a challenge to find the most incompetent losers to fill the failed, fucked-up, fat, fascist, felon’s cabinet.

      Not really. Anyone who actually wants to support Trump automatically falls into that group.

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      Michelle Obama tried to encourage better eating habits the Republicans attacked her.

      Part of her plan would have banned Cheerios in schools because of added salt. That was one of the things getting pushback.

      Her initiative to get added sugars listed on nutrition labels had very broad support.

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    People are too tired and overworked to cook. Poor people are far more likely to spend too much time commuting to work too.

    And their suggestion only addresses one type of diabetes. There’s a whole other type of diabetes.

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    You know, during ww2 when Britain enact very harsh rationing the rate of diabetes and heart disease did drop greatly. Because many fatty staples and meat were hard to come by and sugar was nearly nonexistent.

    But you know what was instrumental in increasing life expectancy by almost 10 years almost overnight? The NHS after the war. Even when rationing fully ended in the late 50s life expectancy continued to be much higher despite all the previously hard to get stuff becoming readily available again.