• Shapillon@lemmy.world
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    10 days ago

    It reminds me of an old Polish joke:

    A Pole finds a magic lamp, strokes it, and a genie comes out.

    “I will grant you three wishes. They can be anything your heart desire.”

    "I wish for the Mongols to invade Poland!’

    “Ok? It is done”

    The Mongol hordes sweep through Poland, ransack the country, then go back the way they came.

    “I am ready for my second wish. I want the Mongols to invade Poland again!”

    “Are you sure? I can give you anything your heart wishes.”

    “Yes. I am sure”

    The Mongols come again, do some more pillaging, and return home.

    “And now for my third wish. I want the Mongol hordes to invade Poland a third time.”

    “Are you really sure?”

    “Yes.”

    “Okay. Before I grant you your wish, would you mind explaining me why you would want that not once but thrice?”

    “It’s very simple: Whenever the Mongols come to Poland they have to cross Russia twice!”

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      10 days ago

      This is so funny. I just told my wife, who’s Ukrainian, this joke and she burst out laughing.
      Also, as Canadians. We wish there were mongol hordes we could get to invade us, through the US.

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        10 days ago

        Mongols. Mongols would need to cross both Russia and US.

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      10 days ago

      The US really is just this hateful polish guy. A solid 35% of americans would happily raze our own country than let one poor person have a subsidized lunch.

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        10 days ago

        It’s more of a Polish grudge funny though.

        Poland has a bit of a history with Russia too.

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          10 days ago

          Surely Poland has been in an unlucky position between the empires of western Europe and the former Russian Empire, then again it has the same historical problems with Germany and I don’t see Polish people making racist jokes against the country that committed genocide in their territory.

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            I really don’t see what’s racist about Russia in that joke. If someone’s the butt of that joke it’s the Polish who’s willing to hurt themselve just to get back at Russia.

            And there are loads of Polish jokes about Germans.

            “An unlucky position” that’s putting it mildly.

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              It’s not racist. People forget “Russian” is a nationality, not a race. Russia isn’t just populated by Slavs (much to the chagrin of Putin, I assume).

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                Imho discriminating against a nationality is still racism. e.g. WW2 anti-japanese racism in the US.

                Russia has a very colonial attitude toward its non slavic citizens.

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                  Learn the difference between xenophobia and racism, please. The difference matters for proper discussions of different topics that pertain to discrimination in general and you are clearly confusing both of them in your weak attempt at accusing someone of behaviour they never displayed while they explained a joke that is rooted in historical context.

                  More to the point, (as you said) being against Russian dictatorship policies and historical atrocities is neither xenophobia nor is it racism.

                  Everyone with a functioning frontal lobe knowns the Russian people are mostly helpless under a dictatorship that practices putting opposition (civil or political) in gulags, but one cannot just “lay down and take it” if the Russians come for them, just because you pity their situation. Criticizing dictatorships is of utmost importance, feelings be damned.

                  Edit: Post locked… Anyways, my point was that the joke is not racist and is rooted in history. Humour in that case is used to criticize the history of Russia’s various dictatorships and atrocities. Nothing wrong with the joke. I did mean to reply to you; so that people understand the differences between xenophobia and racism and how the joke is within important historical context, therefore is neither.

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        10 days ago

        As long as russia keeps invading countries it has no business being in, it is extremely funny.

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          10 days ago

          You could apply that to most EU countries though? Colonialism in Africa, invasion of Iraq, support of the US in Afghanistan, bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, funding the genocide in Gaza… What makes the EU better? I just happen to live in Europe and I want to push MY government towards peace negotiations because it’s the one I can affect

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            How many of these are active missions? The Special Military Operation was only supposed to take 3 days, but it’s still going on.

            Or do you simply have a case of «А у вас негров линчуют»? No one’s excusing their own country’s atrocities simply by attacking Russia’s ongoing atrocity.

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      11 days ago

      Last time Russia and Germany invaded Poland together. Presumably this would be Germany and Poland invading Russia.

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        10 days ago

        After the refusal of France, England and Poland to enter a military alliance against the Nazis with the USSR, the only alternative to a partial Soviet occupation of Poland was a total Nazi occupation of Poland. Tell me, would you prefer a total Nazi occupation of Poland?

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          Erm, Stalin did a deal with Hitler, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. In a secret protocol, they agreed to carve up Europe between them with the USSR to take Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Bessarabia and half of Poland. The Finland part didn’t work out so well, and Hitler went on to break the pact. The details of this were proven only when it was made public during the Nuremberg trials.

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            You haven’t answered my question: would you have preferred a total Nazi occupation of Poland?

            Erm, Stalin did a deal with Hitler, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact

            Yes, to postpone as much as possible the war between the 100-year-old industrial power that was Germany, and the 10-year-into-industrialization USSR. This was done after the Soviets were consistently denied mutual defense agreements with Poland, England and France, in which Stalin offered to send ONE MILLION soldiers to France and Poland to defend against the Nazi threat (together with artillery, tanks and aviation). The Soviets even offered to collectively start war against the Nazis instead of the Munich agreements in defense of Czechoslovakia, which the western powers again refused. It was then and only then when the Soviets changed the previous minister and put Molotov in place, to postpone the inevitable war against the Nazis for as long as possible during the key industrialisation years.

            Please, answer my question above

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    10 days ago

    Wars are fought by people. Everyone who doesn’t to end blown up somewhere in a trench in an inter imperialist struggle should be antiwar. Stop fucking beating the drums of war, we need to prevent WW3 from happening, and it’s not too late to do so.

    Stop cheering for military expenditure, stop electing fascist politicians in Europe, stop buying into war propaganda. We can avoid this war. Do not condemn yourself or your loved ones to passing through the meat grinder, your government doesn’t give a fuck about human rights or abour your life.

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        Oh you spoke in Latin, hence you must be right!

        I want peace, which is why I will push for negotiations and peace agreements between Russia and Europe (and probably the US seeing their tendencies)

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      Military expenditure is how you avoid war. You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong? Bizarre… Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure, or at least not the far right parties, they are pro russia.

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        Military expenditure is how you avoid war

        Surely giving more money to the lobbyists of Rheinmetall will make Europe much less likely to go to war!!

        You think Russia will only attack if Europe is strong?

        I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia, as was the case for the past 30 years until EU+US pushed NATO boundaries to Russia and started executing Maidans in the former Russian sphere of influence. That’s not to absolve the Russian government, they’re fascist imperialist pieces of shit, but my point is that so is Europe (e.g. funding genocide in Gaza), and I don’t want another inter-imperialist war like WW1

        Also, I don’t think it’s the fascists who want expenditure

        But you’re willing to increase it even at risk of them getting to the government

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          I think Russia wouldn’t attack the EU if we collectively agreed to maintain good relationships with Russia

          That’s pretty much France and especially Germany’s playbook for Russian relations for the past few decades though. It seemed to work well until it suddenly didn’t, so we’re gonna have to try the other way

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              Sure, it only attacked its neighbor for committing the cardinal sin of trying to get into the EU and being afraid of Russia’s expansionism.

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                The EU funded genocide in Palestine for committing the cardinal sin of existing though, what’s your point? Russia surely sucks, so does Europe, I don’t wanna fucking die in the front lines and neither do you, so stop warmongering

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    Poland has been pouring everything into their military, they are VERY ready for this to all go sideways. I can’t blame them.

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      Germany: “i thought these days would never come again. Fighting russia with poland and france like we did late 1700s and early 1800s”

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          Wouldnt say it was a band. Napoleon forced some of the germans, the others joined because they wanted to be on the winning side, and the poles fought with Bonaparte for their freedom

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    Let’s make sure to start the campaign in autumn so we are deep inside Russia during the coldest parts of winter. Let’s also make sure to only take light summer clothing.