Hello. I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here. This is about AskLemmy on the Lemmy.world instance’s newly appointed mod, shinigamiookamiryuu.
For clarity reasons I am going to mention they are also known as “Triagonal” and various other aliases. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools (see image below) doesn’t have access to my main account.
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Their modus operandi is this:
- They’ll do/say reprehensible things.
- When people give evidence of those reprehensible things in the form of direct links, they will call it “slander”. When this fails to work, they then try to gaslight everyone by saying “you’re taking it out of context” “you cannot speak for my intentions” , hoping people fall for it. This is a very common tactic they’ve used for years. Don’t fall for it.
- They paint themselves as a targeted victim, hoping people (including mods/admins) take their word for it and don’t look into the links that got posted.
There is a person who has an account on Lemmy, who has a 5 year long history of malicious trolling, doxing, catfishing, creepy comments they made to someone they knew was only 14, and telling a trans person to kill themselves after shooting up a school then gaslighting people on Lemmy about it by saying “where did I say anything about a shooter”. Their actions are such that multiple people are chronicling the various reprehensible things they’ve said and done and continue to do. They resort to doxing, impersonating, and harassing anyone who exposes them or isn’t on their side which is why a lot of people who call them out use fresh accounts for their own safety.
Here’s a screenshot of them telling a trans person to “do what the person in Nashville did”. They are referring to the Nashville school shooter, Aiden Hale, who was trans. They also called them a Japanese slur that is equivalent to the f-word
Here’s the creepy comments they made to a DeviantArt forum member who they knew was only 14 years old. They doubled down on it when confronted.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
They raised a big stink on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards for their mod actions on AskLemmy.
There are a ton of links to things the troll has posted, on their own accounts, such as when they trolled on AskLemmy on Lemmy.world by saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and proceeded to gaslight commenters in the comments, then locking their own thread. They are highly manipulative and try to paint themselves as a victim who is being targeted for no reason by calling the evidence in the links “slander” and saying “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions”.
Here’s them trolling about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and then trolling people once those people proved them wrong by gaslighting them about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions!”.
They like to portray themselves as an innocent person who is “being targeted for no reason” hoping that mods and admins who are unaware of their history take their word for it without looking into things. They will claim to mods/admins that they’re being doxed because their alias, which the troll publicly posts everywhere, was mentioned in posts exposing them. They do this because they want people who point out what they’re doing to be banned, not because they’re actually concerned about doxing. Please bear in mind that this user has been caught using an AI generated voice trying to pass it off as their own and they have been permabanned from Discord servers for making up excuses when asked by mods to prove they are who they say they are. They are using a fake internet persona.
They have been banned and had posts removed countless times for “trolling”
Proof https://lemmy.wtf/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=538316
Another thing this user will do is sign up on websites using the exact usernames of the people who originally exposed them on DeviantArt and then, once called out for this, will troll about being “inspired” by those usernames, omitting the fact they’ve 1. done this dozens of times 2. they only steal the usernames of the people who exposed them on DeviantArt. They’ll also list their country on the impersonation accounts as being from the country of the person they’re impersonating, among other things, like pretending to have DID on an account that’s named after a person on DeviantArt who actually has DID and then manipulate people by claiming people calling them out on this are “denying DID exists”.
They report any posts that aren’t on their side, claiming they’re being doxed because the poster used their alias, an alias they publicly use throughout the internet, and are known for faking many aspects of their persona online.
I apologize for the lengthy post, but is it appropriate for such a person to be a mod on AskLemmy, which is a popular community, given their actions both on Lemmy and off-site?
edit: They’re now in this thread saying Elon Musk’s Nazi salute was debunked and are comparing it to Pokemon. Link
edit 2: gaslighting + sealioning in the comments https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12630325
Anyone can use the search bar to look up people who have said the same things, yet those people haven’t been banned. So that casts doubt on you.
Well. I raised this exact question months ago as a hypothetical. I was trying to learn how lemmy works, and despite my arguements that this is a stupid recoarse, here is what I was told.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
And again, to op and others in this thread, I want to remind you that I’m not being snarky to you. I’m being snarky to those people 8 months ago who argued this exact scenario.
They claimed the solution is to make AskLemmy2, everybody leave AskLemmy, and now the troll is a mod of a dead community. So yeah, I’m going to be snarky. I knew that was a stupid response to this situation.
So yeah. I’m full of warrented snark tonight.
Upon a troll taking power as a mod of a popular community, the fediverse won’t be affected, because you can just make a NEW community, and everyone will go there!
I find that stupidity infuriating. It postulates that communities are owned by moderators and not the community and users. That is authoritarian narcissistic garbage. No one looks at or cares who the moderators are when they post anything anywhere, EVER! NEVER EVER EVER!!!
That is how these places fail to grow most people encountering this stupidity just leave. Mods serve communities just like admin. The altruism of hosting is not some neo feudal ownership of users. I’m grateful for the time and efforts spent and willing to contribute myself in the ways I can to that democracy, but anyone that acts like that means they own me can shove a whole data center and the parking lot up their root directory. Communities have momentum and belong to the users only. ANY mods that do not put users first should be purged immediately. Mods are disposable. As a mod, I am disposable. I do not matter. I am the janitor. Any mod that can not say this should be purged immediately. Anyone with any hint of narcissism is toxic to the community in every instance. Every mod and admin action is harmful and should only ever be applied to those that are causing greater harm like bigots. There should be extreme prejudice by admin at mods that are active and taking actions that were not flagged by members of the broader community. I’ll volunteer as a mod of any of the larger communities if that is what is needed. I trust users to make flags and there are very few actual actions needed here in any community.
It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
It would be good, then, that I don’t fit most definitions of a troll, as far as I’m aware. What you are looking at is, as I can attest (as well as prove), a mixture of falsehoods, things taken out of context, things exaggerated to seem wrong, dead issues, and unconsented releases of personal information, all by one of any number of individuals who, if you look me up, has been happening everywhere, in obvious slander campaign fashion. They redirect to some of that, though they rejoice in the fact most people do not pick issues apart and give a true critique, instead looking at one person’s warnings and garnering a general idea. This isn’t some dismissal, it has been implied by those who realize their mistake.
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though” and when people proved you wrong, you proceeded to troll about how “you can’t speak for other people’s intentions” before locking the thread. You even used the “Roman salute” excuse and then went off on a tangent about Japanese anime.
A portion of your blog post supposedly debunking everything is just spent waffling about Elon Musk.
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways. I don’t rule out that it was reckless and that people are right to feel offended, just that we can’t speak for another person’s intent.
Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out in front of you, not to the side like in the photograph of him. My style is to analyze things closely and give constructive critique (which is why, when someone mentioned he also shared antisemitic conspiracy theories, I gave some scolding words about Musk and did not continue the same “meh” reaction).
I remember when I was little and Pokémon came out with the character Registeel and the sprite had to be changed because the pose they chose for the creature just happened to resemble a Nazi salute. It was probably far less likely to be intentional in their case, but it actually looked more like the salute… and then it was memed into oblivion. Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like the Team Rocket pose.
This is so embarrassing for you. Just stop. It’s sad.
Stop what? Stop elaborating on what I meant that caused me to be taken out of context? The fact people feel the need to take people out of context, and to campaign against someone wherever they go when half of what they’re saying can be put to rest in an instance, is to me what’s sadder.
Lol… okay.
Don’t apologise for nazis
I’m not. Read what I said.
Here’s a quote from @Joeyowlhouse@lemmy.wtf for context:
You recently trolled about how Elon Musk’s Nazi salute “has been debunked though”
and then a selection of quotes from your reply, the one I responded to:
Debunked in the sense that, one, what the perception was did not match his intention, and two, a lot of the footage exaggerated his gesture anyways.
Something that’s worth noting (or which I don’t see a lot of people talking about) is the fact that the salute, historically, was done with your arm stretched out *in front of you*, not to the side
Musk’s salute in the picture, though technically arguable to be the salute (and it’s possible more to his intentions might come to light), was more like [the Team Rocket pose.]
You’ve claimed to know what his intention was, that the Nazi salute was done differently to the clip of Hitler himself, even though the video shows that they’re almost identical, and then that Musk’s salute was an innocent mistake.
They sound an awful lot like excuses for a guy who was caught on camera performing a salute that’s all but identical to a Nazi salute that Hitler, leader of the Nazis, performed on video.
I say what his intention is based on what he says his intention is. Every person is the authority of their own intentions, and I was relaying what he said. That’s not an excuse to say nor will it ever be, otherwise anyone and everyone could put words in anyone’s mouth and treat it as canon.
Alright lemmy users who aren’t part of THIS thread, but I still remember from 8 months ago…this is your time to shine! Go make new communities and show us all how your ways are realistic in real world scenarios…and not just, ya know, group jerking the group about unrealistic concepts and thus not a real solution.
I mean; It does work that way. See the !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone drama. People didn’t like what the mods wanted to do, so they started their own (!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone) and it currently has more than twice the number of active users.
So it does work when most of the people give a shit. Problem is, most people don’t.
First, I’m generally not following around people on YouTube and DeviantArt and random archive / link shorteners to gather evidence to ban people on Lemmy. I was not pleased when I clicked on the “evidence” and it took me to YouTube.
Second, while I was very near ready to ban based on the denial of Musk’s Nazi salute, it does seem like they’re just horribly wrong. Maybe a bit of sealioning on this issue. I’d advise shin to avoid going further down this path, and hopefully you were just blatantly ignorant of the evidence others have provided (AfD, etc.)
I’m open to revisiting in the future, particularly if they abuse their power as mod.
They were featured on Ye Power Trippin’ Bastards and raised a stink over being featured on it:
https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/lemmy.dbzer0.com/36342936
They are known to engage in a type of trolling known as “sea lioning”, and others in the comments have pointed this out: https://lemmy.wtf/post/16417625/12630325
I mean, they did mention sealioning before you did. I know what Serinus said addresses me and it inspired some sense in me on the issue as I reflected. Would it be too much to ask if that statement applies to both of us?
I promise I won’t let you down.
Thanks for the information, I’ve decided to block this user based on the evidence. Hopefully the rest of the mods of that community will take that into consideration when judging whether that user can serve the community effectively as a moderator
It has been spoken about. As they said they think would be good of me, I’m not continuing what I was doing and acknowledge defeat. As for the non-political claims, they cannot be said to represent what was going on in their specific times and places.
So, one day old OP, is ‘your friend’ your other account that just posted the same exact thing the other day?
Seems odd to accuse someone of creating alts
The fact this reply is getting thumbs downs just proves that those doing so are, in one way or another, puppets of the OP.
I explained that in my OP. I’m using a fresh account because the person this post is about is known to dox the people who expose them, like they did with Morothias here
I’m also trans, so I’d prefer it if a person who tells trans people to shoot up schools doesn’t have access to my main account.
Then it’s a good thing I neither want anything of yours nor am going to tell anyone that anytime soon, now isn’t it?
I also never gave away any personal information not already given by one’s user-name (and have given no other bit of info of anyone without their consent). You, on the other hand, have provided a literal dump. If what you’re doing isn’t “doxxing”, what I’ve done most certainly isn’t.
I wasn’t sure where to post about this and a friend directed me here.
is not explaining your creating alts. I couldn’t care less if you were a dining room table, much less trans. Access to your main account, what? That doesn’t have anything to do with what I said.
Are you stupid? Creating alts isn’t the complaint here.
That is one of the complaints, yes, and OP has brought it up multiple times. I just thought it was funny.
I posted that other thread, yes, but I lost my password for that account so I made this one. My friend on Discord who has been on Lemmy longer than me told me to post this in this community. Apologies for any miscommunication.
What. That account was banned. You didn’t lose your password. What are you talking about.
You leave a bit out. The previous message is archived. Now try going to the main URL. It’s gone.
There’s far too many layers of drama-drama for me to care any more than the comments I’ve made. Enjoy your evening.
I was just clearing up misinformation. Thanks, have a great one too.
Thank you for not continuing to shit up the thread because you can’t read.
Did he tell you it would break some of the rules to do so?
Everybody involved in this should be prescribed time away from the internet lol
No one has ever needed to touch grass more than OP.
That’s gross
I reported that tool to another mod in AskLemmy, got nowhere. Same mod you mention posted an AskLemmy question, I commented, he removed my up voted comment and then deleted his down voted, nonsensical one. I asked why and he was super weird. I’ve had maybe 1 comment removed by a mod in 15 years of reddit and 1 of Lemmy.
It’s a bad look for Lemmy, get rid of the dumbass.
I’m sorry that happened to you. Do you have a link or screenshot of those comments?
I am not sure what you are referring to as the logs don’t show anything like that, but the closest thing to what you were describing was done because the comment advocated the acts of Luigi Mangione. As a rule enforcer, I’m around to enforce the rules, especially the TOS. In the case I described, I explained to multiple people that’s why I removed it. And I’m she/her, not he/him (please don’t do what transphobes do).
So this is today’s Lemmy drama?
I thought I left reddit to get away from this
You thought the free software development community was low drama? Oh no… No no no…
It’s been going on for a while
OP I recommend trying to contact Lemmy.world’s admins about this in the Matrix chat, maybe possibly reporting it in the Spam defense channel, since this user is essentially promoting neonazi apologia.
Saying Musk may not have intended his gesture to come off how it did =/= promoting any racist or murderous group or agenda
You can literally see in the very conversations he redirects to that I condemn both Nazism and Elon Musk.
I’d say the lack of an apology and the Nazi pun response tells us all we really need to know.
He intended it. He very clearly, extremely clearly intended it. The best possible interpretation is that he instead to do it because he wanted to troll people and he’s the biggest moron imaginable, but that really doesn’t check out. He did it from behind the presidential seal.
He was aware of what he was doing. He considered his actions well in advance.
Attempting to add doubt to that idea is promoting the neo-Nazi agenda. You’re trying to turn his bullhorn into a dog whistle. It’s offensive and near bannable.
I try to use words over mod/admin tools when possible, and if you’re trying to do what it appears you’re trying to do, then it’s not very effective.
I haven’t been advising the perspective I originally was advising ever since your first guidance. What you’re responding to is older than that.
So as a word to all those who are onlookers here and are wondering what’s going on, this is the second person so far who has tried to participate in the same mass slander of me, as has been happening around the web. I figured this might happen, which is why I can redirect to my complete perspective, which proves the original asker/poster wrong. Ironically, the one thing they’re consistently right about are their words “don’t believe everything you hear”, which also applies to things that seem convincing enough not to consult both sides.
It’s the same person as the other posts. Not a second person.
Could something be done about it then? It’s using a serious place as a way to incite a reaction with a combination of slander and doxxing. The same kind of thing happened elsewhere, and the people in charge there, from looking into it, can attest the campaign against me is little more than a means to pit people against an undesired person.
You both should report, block, and move on from eachother.
Funny thing about that, I have. But one side doesn’t give up.
It’s not doxxing for people to mention your alias, which you’ve publicly posted throughout the internet on your numerous accounts, in posts. You aren’t actually concerned about doxxing, you want this post to get deleted because as my other thread in another instance and another community shows, people in the comments don’t believe your “it’s all slander” excuses and manipulation once they actually click on those links and see the evidence for themselves. They join in on calling you out rather than taking your side, even after you explain your side.
You go to mods (hoping they don’t have the time to click those links and actually look into you) pretending you’re a victim who is being targeted for no reason claiming you’re being doxxed when the reality (that you deliberately don’t mention) is people are just mentioning a fake alias you publicly post everywhere and other publicly posted details about yourself that have turned out to be part of a fake online persona.
Just block them. Jesus.
The fact this reply is getting thumbs downs just proves that those doing so are, in one way or another, puppets of the OP.
It is doxxing going by the definition laid out in the TOS. And it would be in most over places, because it’s still locally undisclosed personal information. As has been discovered by a rogue admin, some of what you say I have disclosed in fact hasn’t been disclosed, some not anywhere. When you look up my name, for example, what do you find? Just the slander your likes have been spreading everywhere.
You aren’t actually concerned about doxxing, you want this post to get deleted
Spoken like someone who came storming in not caring about the TOS. I strive to go by the TOS wherever I go, which might be why, aside from DA, the only places I’ve been given the boot from (out of the thousands of places I’m in) are those where it’s stated that who is banned is up to unspoken rules and opinions admins might have. And even these I respect, and I don’t go anywhere that isn’t my business.
When it comes to how to react, admins know better. Critical thinkers know better. Your puppets, be them hands-on or inspired, don’t. There lies the difference. I know my people. It doesn’t help peoples’ cases when they admit to not looking into it all before reacting. Your closing argument, as well as having a deceptive premise, just screams “I don’t care that the people in charge made this place with their own hands, I’m going to defy them”, which you did by using a serious center as a means to incite a reaction. So you’re one to talk (especially about boundaries).
When you look up my name, for example, what do you find? Just the slander your likes have been spreading everywhere.
Why are you lying? You’ve publicly used “Tynan Laird” for your persona on various websites.
https://www.instagram.com/youareaunitofpower/
https://www.asexuality.org/en/profile/181820-tynan-laird/
These were literally the first results. The very first result was your Instagram account. Lying to onlookers is not a good look.
Just so people are aware, the link is to shinigamiookamiryuu’s blog.
Also, they were recently caught using an AI generated voice on Discord while trying to pass it off as their own voice. There’s more info about their attempts at deceiving people about their persona in the comments.
First of all, ad hominem. Second, it is nothing more than falsely-concluded speculation to say I asked myself. Third, I don’t even sound how you claim/imply I do. Fourth, again, in bulk it has been addressed.
That’s not an ad hominem. Don’t use words you don’t know the meaning to.
If somebody insults you while also attacking an argument you made, that’s not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is specifically only when someone uses a personal attack to attempt to directly refute your argument. And even then, just because something is a logical fallacy, doesn’t mean it’s a bad argument. That’s called the Fallacy fallacy. Good arguments can still include logical fallacies such as ad hominems.
For example, if I say Kanye West is wrong about Jews being untrustworthy because he’s a shitty person and a Nazi, that’s an ad hominem. But it’s also true. The personal attack takes nothing away from the validity of my argument.
An ad hominem is specifically only when someone uses a personal attack to attempt to directly refute your argument.
And randomly claiming or bringing up the authenticity of what they think was said to be someone’s voice (as a form of a comeback) doesn’t fall under that?
No, that would probably be a strawman instead.
Alrighty then. By the way, I don’t even know where the recording would’ve come from.
It’s tragically comedic in an existential way that people could see something that does so much as be titled “so-and-so uses a prerecorded AI voice” and people don’t question them about it and just assume “someone put that there and applied it to someone, so it must be true”, almost like people came into the conflict ready to take one side seriously and the other side not seriously. That’s almost like the old trick kids do where they write their names on the wall with a pen (or graffiti if it’s outdoors) and watch as whoever is in charge assumes the culprit must be the person whose name was written on the wall. That’s where much of the engagement here comes from. For a lack of a better word, it’s existential.
Yeah, when I explain it that way, it does kind of sound like a strawman. I have, in response to this, set myself up to answer questions from my perspective in a way I thought would be amicable, but nobody ever obliges. They just see the strawmen and the attacks which try to inspire assumptions. I don’t go out of my way to “use” people, but for people who so easily find themselves accusing others of “manipulation”, this kind of bias comes off as highly manipulatable.
OP, sounds like the solution for you is to join another server and block lemmy.world.
LW is a huge instance with lots of great communities, content and members.
If we blocked every useful instance just because a nasty troll lurked under its bridge, then what would be the point of trying to participate in a healthy Fediverse?
Could you point where here I have trolled?
The fact it’s slander aside, are people forgetting that the stuff mentioned details things from long ago, and then applying that as an inherent detail of the individual (or something automatically applicable to them, wherever they go)?
I haven’t broken a single TOS rule here or any community rules in this community. The person laying accusations against me has broken multiple.
Which things?
I did not mention you by name, and in fact have no idea who you are.
My response was intended in a broadly-speaking sense, and I think explains itself sufficiently.
Sorry then. Everyone has used allusions as par for the course and I assumed.
I’m not saying that everyone should block LW. I’m saying that if one has an ethical objection to LW, it’s on them to block the server. If they don’t want to block the server because of its size, then it’s also on them to either promote alternatives to LW or build your own.
No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.
No server on the Fediverse is too big for blocking.
This is not true no matter how much people like you want others to believe it. The fact is that in the fediverse any server that has a significant IS to big to block, else userbase and interaction will suffer.
To say this isn’t the case is to spread misinformation, as people who follow such advice will notice they have a much poorer Fediverse experience. This also does indeed apply to being banned from those large servers and communities as well.
The fact is that in the fediverse any server that has a significant IS to big to block, else userbase and interaction will suffer.
The second biggest Mastodon server is near universally defederated.
The biggest Pleroma server is also universally defederated.
You probably don’t know what these servers are, and that’s a good thing because the actual fact is defederating them improves the user experience for everyone else.
To say this isn’t the case is to spread misinformation, as people who follow such advice will notice they have a much poorer Fediverse experience.
Until July 2023, the biggest Lemmy server was lemmy.ml. It has now found itself defederated by many servers. If lemmy.ml was too big to defederate, how did it find itself defederated?
The myth of “big server = undefederatable”—that is misinformation. Big servers find themselves defederated all the time. See also: Gab.
These are Mastodon servers, the rules of the game change dramatically once you bring in Lemmy and communities hosted on servers. At that point it becomes about active communities holding slices of the pie, as in amount of users participating in communites, size of those communities, and the size of the instance they are hosted on. To compare this situation to Mastodon servers which are user-centric, don’t have community hubs, and are based solely on individuals is to compare apples to oranges, or just trying to mince words.
Now you seem to think that defederation of lemmy.ml is a big gotcha though they aren’t actually very large all instances considered, and have been shrinking. The bigger test would be defederation of a larger instance like lemmy.world which has been done with wildly different results. Enter Beehaw.org. They defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works back in 2023 during the first Reddit Migration. Prior to that their communities were considered defacto community hubs. However a few weeks after they defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works most of those communities became almost if not entirely dormant, and many users migrated from their instance elsewhere.
Too big to block very much is an issue, and blocking servers that are too big will kill your communities. Of course there are people who believe that growth, reach, or userbase doesn’t matter. This is kind of a stupid argument because if platforms or communities don’t have any people in them creating content or replying, or voting, they don’t really function at all as a social platform. best case they function like a blog, worst case, they’re no better than writing your comments in chalk on the sidewalk.
These are Mastodon server
Nope, only one server I mentioned is a Mastodon server.
Now you seem to think that defederation of lemmy.ml is a big gotcha though they aren’t actually very large all instances considered
Actually, lemmy.world is not that big all things considered. It’s big for Lemmy, sure. But Lemmy isn’t that big at all.
Enter Beehaw.org. They defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works back in 2023 during the first Reddit Migration.
Beehaw.org didn’t lose influence because they defederate the bigger servers. They lost influence because they took a heavy-handed approach to things. But if that’s how they want to run things—fine. No one owes anyone else federation.
This is kind of a stupid argument because if platforms or communities don’t have any people in them creating content or replying, or voting, they don’t really function at all as a social platform.
This is not a “platform”. It’s a software distribution for an open protocol. And how people choose to use that protocol is up to them.
If you want to federate with everyone, that’s fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you who or what to associate with.
But the fact is, defederation is an option. It’s always an option.
Nope, only one server I mentioned is a Mastodon server.
See you’re trying to mince words here but the point indeed does stand because microblog and community based engagement are wildly different from each other, and have wildly different expectations and stipulations.
Actually, lemmy.world is not that big all things considered. It’s big for Lemmy, sure. But Lemmy isn’t that big at all.
I don’t really know how relevant that is considering that the competing platforms aren’t federated to us. Honestly just seems like deflection to the main point. A server in the main community based fediverse sphere will suffer lower visits, and lower interaction if they block the biggest servers.
Beehaw.org didn’t lose influence because they defederate the bigger servers. They lost influence because they took a heavy-handed approach to things. But if that’s how they want to run things—fine. No one owes anyone else federation.
You are correct in that Beehaw’s draconian approach is what ultimately killed them off completely in the end, however defederation of the larger servers did play a bigger role than you’d like to give them credit for.
But the fact is, defederation is an option. It’s always an option.
I never tried to say or imply it wasn’t an option, because it is, but for big servers that contain more of the pie it’s a bad idea. Just like shooting yourself in the foot or sticking a rod in the spokes of your bike while you’re riding is an option, but they’re bad ideas.
This is not a “platform”. It’s a software distribution for an open protocol. And how people choose to use that protocol is up to them.
The Fediverse absolutely is a platform whether you like it or not, a decentralized platform but a platform nonetheless. They are free to use the protocols as they choose, but some options are poor decisions that will not favor them presently or in the future.
If you want to federate with everyone, that’s fine. If you don’t, that’s fine too. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you who or what to associate with.
Now it really seems like you are misrepresenting my words here, trying to spin me as some anti-defederation troll. When the reality is I said that defederation of large servers and large communities has consequences. The inverse is also true, being banned from servers or communities in that larger slice of the pie has severe drawbacks for your own user experience on the Fediverse.
No one, certainly not me is saying you can’t, but there are consequences. It is important people are aware of these consequences. Something people peddling the common Fediverse talkingpoints really tells people. Like the fact that if you’re banned from all 5 of the biggest servers (community count + federated activity) you can basically consider your ability to be heard and participate hosed unless you create a new account with a new name, or if you block all the biggest servers on your server for being big, yours will likely be very unpopular and get very little interaction which kind of defeats the purpose of a social platform in the first place, federated or otherwise.
No server on the Fediverse should is too big for blocking.
These thoughts of yours are all very well in theory, but aren’t very pragmatic for most users IMO. I mean, why not just block the user, anyway? Or make posts like this here, seemingly putting the heat back on the troll(s) in question…
OP’s problem is with LW allowing a certain person they don’t like to become moderator of the server. They could block the user, but their issue is that the specific user has power in an LW community.
If OP doesn’t like that, and feels like that moderators presence is a non-negotiable, she has options.
…But not necessarily great ones.
(yes, and I know I’m being argumentative AF on this point; I do see the logic of what you’re saying)In any case, hopefully that troll’s influence across a giant instance like LW is relatively minor in the end. Also, by OP sticking to their SUBSCRIBE feed, they won’t have to deal with that community, either. shrug
Let’s be real. What OP really wants is for a certain moderator to not have power on a server she deems as influential. Thus, she’s trying to leverage peer pressure in order to make that happen.
But the moderator can join any server or create her own as well. So trying to remove her perceived influence is basically playing whack-a-mole, and because she herself doesn’t run any servers, peer pressure is an ineffective tool.
So if the moderator is that objectionable, the reasonable thing to do is either:
- block the moderator
- block all communities the moderator runs
- block LW
If neither of these options have the desired results, then I’m sorry – that’s just life.
Let’s be real. What OP really wants is for a certain moderator to not have power on a server she deems as influential. Thus, she’s trying to leverage peer pressure in order to make that happen.
Assuming good-faith effort, don’t you think it’s reasonable to publicly call out disingenuous, trollish behavior, especially with that sublemmy being one of the biggest ones across the FV?
Consider that we don’t have the same mechanisms across the FV as exist on Reddit, such that other means of correcting (evidently) terrible decisions (such as making a huge troll a mod on a big community) need to be explored at the very least. I.e., sometimes I think it doesn’t help in the end to run away from this kind of problem, and none of us should really want LW to drift towards an abomination such as HexBear, right?
I mean, they did just come by just to attack me. I’ve dealt with this everywhere (not just in the fediverse) and they joined literally yesterday after their previous name (they admit that’s them) was confronted.
Average Lemmy.world mod
Hey Lemm.ee admins just wanted to ping you to let you know that there’s seemingly a person on your instance acting as a mod in communities and using their mod abilities to promote Nazi apologia. Just thought you guys should know this because they are a member of your server.
lemm.ee admin ping
@EllaSpiggins@lemm.ee @Matt_Glan@lemm.ee @sunaurus@lemm.ee @beneeney@lemm.ee @Aris@lemm.ee
Saying Musk may not have intended his gesture to come off how it did =/= promoting any racist or murderous group or agenda
You can literally see in the very conversations he redirects to that I condemn both Nazism and Elon Musk.
What he “may have intended” is irrelevant. He knew what he did. He did it twice. Elon Musk is an idiot but even he isn’t so stupid as to not realize what he was doing. Having the absolute thinnest veil of plausible deniability isn’t an excuse.
Your defense would be equally as applicable, and just as stupid, if he started requiring all Tesla cars to have a Swastika prominently displayed at all times, claiming “Well it was an ancient Buddhist symbol first, Maybe that’s what he meant!”
Agreed. The end result doesn’t give a shit about the initial intent.
“Your honor, it wasn’t my intent to wash a fifth of gin down with an ounce of ket and then drive through a school playground during recess.”
“Oh, you didn’t mean it? Free to go!”
Not really what we were talking about, but alright.
Fucker did it twice
Both accidents, duh.
ETA: /s. Fucking Poe’s Law.
A nazi did a nazi salute. He might or might not intended to do it. Semantics are irrelevant.
How can anyone suggest he didn’t intend to do it? M-fer put more heart and back into it than Hitler ever did and then he clicked heel, did an about face, and doubled down with as much or more enthusiasm. There was nothing accidental about it. He’s an Afrikaner apartheid loving Nazi. I know everyone knows this but you all don’t have to waste your time arguing about what the entire world saw televised.
Go bark somewhere else, sealion
If that is your counter, maybe it would please you to know that, as per the wishes of those enforcing the rules, I have obliged a while ago, and now we’re just waiting for things to die down on the side of the charger, who are why any of us ever showed up.
See, if I had done something so boneheadingly stupid as an accident, I would immediately be putting out statements clarifying that it wasn’t a Nazi salute. It’s what we would expect any reasonable person to do.
Elon Musk himself has not denied that it was a Nazi salute.
Why do you think he’s refused to clarify?
I don’t know, but inspired by one of the mods getting to me, I’m conceding defeat.
Typically, if you’ve been told to avoid going down a path, that usually means not commenting on it further, and also not constantly linking to the same place where you were told to avoid going down a path.
I’m not exactly responding to a typical situation here though. But I still promise to live up to what they wished.
Holy shit I hope they get banned this is crazy
The fact this is all slander (aside from the doxxing parts) aside, I haven’t even broken any rules on-site, whether community ones or TOS.
Libel
Thanks
I mean, it’s not that either; but if you’re going somebody of something, accuse them of the right thing.
I mean, rules are just guidelines. If you’re that shitty of a person, there’s really nothing stopping the admins of .world from just banning you anyway.
That’s the thing though. The majority of how the claims describe me don’t correctly describe me. There are some that exaggerate, some that take things out of context, and some that deal with guilt I had in the past but which I’ve realized the guilt of, made up for, and learned from. I am not above fault, there’s just no epiphany of fault I feel pending at this time.
May I remind you the majority of it is years-old? The individual, meanwhile, is one of those known to chase me around trying to make attacks towards me for the sake of it, and them coming onto the scene wasn’t years ago. Whether they’re accurate of a measure of fault or not, if I can’t leave things behind to honor rules in new places without being given disciplinary action for those interactions, what would the point be?
The fact this is all slander
It isn’t slander when I can link to things you’ve posted on your other accounts over the internet, such as these comments you made to a DeviantArt forum member who you knew was only 14 on your permabanned “Triagonal” account, and like the user Red October said in this thread, Having the absolute thinnest veil of plausible deniability isn’t an excuse.
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2612773/4879845792
https://www.deviantart.com/comments/18/2617047/4886760940
aside from the doxxing parts
You aren’t being doxxed. The alias you use is one that you’ve used publicly throughout the internet. You publicly list and interlink your accounts. You aren’t actually concerned about being doxxed, you’re going to lie to people that you’re being doxxed while omitting the important part (that the alias is one you publicly use) to try and get this post removed.
Since people mentioned you using “plausible deniability” you made vagueposts/trollposts about it on Reddit under your NiotaBunny sockpuppet account. https://www.reddit.com/r/IdeologyPolls/comments/1infs5k/would_you_say_the_concept_of_plausible/
Before you say “NiotaBunny on Reddit isn’t my alt”, you literally admitted that you own the account.
The fact nothing there represents what I was trying to convey aside, the admin on duty told us both to cut things out. I acknowledge defeat on my part and am here to adhere to what they said. Such campaigning on yours is getting out of hand, wouldn’t you say?
Serinus isn’t an admin, but part of the LW community team: https://fedihosting.foundation/lw-team/
LW admins:
Oh. I thought they were one and the same team.
In any case, they requested and persuaded me to not continue with my earlier insistence. I am now thus humbly silenced. I wish the slanderer would heed their words. They were addressed too.
By the way, does anyone know Serinus’ pronouns so I don’t misgender them?
