Pop back in here and there’s suddenly several dozen new comments. Looks like a lost lib. And not a particularly intelligent or well informed one either. I really love the way they show up and say the most generic pro-west drivel and vomit out the most basic statements against
those filthy orientalsthose evil authoritarian governments as if they expect to actually inform or educate anyone here. The libs claiming that tankies are an “echo chamber” is probably my favourite of their shibboleths, they just assume it must be true and when “tankies” disagree with them, they use that as proof it must be true. They literally cannot imagine that someone who has been fed the same propaganda as them their whole lives would be capable of actually understanding and reflecting on it, and questioning it. But questioning authority apparently makes someone a mindless drone who loves authoritarianism apparently.I go where I please.
To communists it’s not like that.
But my opinion is of going where I please. I think the arguments pro going where I please outweigh the ones of not going where I please.
That’s why you aren’t a liberal.
So yeah, my net worth is 650k euros. I am a half capitalist. Half my income comes from labour and half from capital.
It’s an unfortunate situation.
Meanwhile you’re pro russian and like parts of Chinese culture. Laugh and smile quite a lot.
Wanna wrestle?
Love me, Love me, Love me, I’m a Liberal~🎶
But questioning authority apparently makes someone a mindless drone who loves authoritarianism apparently.
But you see, they are all Independent Thinkers ™ who, for impossible to fathom reasons (ingesting the same propaganda from the same sources their whole lives and having shared class/caste interests among others like them), have virtually identical views about the world. And us folks arguing amongst ourselves about theory and practice are actually a hive mind because we’re willing to admit to wanting organization and willing to make bias conscious, instead of pretending we’re unique and neutral caricatures of ancient Greek philosophers.
This lib easily takes the cake for the most insufferable and delusional one to stumble across this instance
Kind of wild how he kept letting things slip about how he considers Europeans more intelligent than other people, and how his Indonesian wife is “useful.” Not beautiful, not incredible, not the light of his life, she is “useful” to him. Because that’s the best an ethnic can ever hope to be I guess, important enough to Mr European that he decides to keep them around.
Hahaha, I think you mean Greece, Poland and the Baltics. France and Germany will write the check, but they’ll be making sure eastern europe is the one actually paying it.
Good point, austerity will hit them first.
And when we say from France and Germany, we really mean from the global south.
I don’t think the Global South is going to play this game anymore. France has already been kicked out of Africa, and I expect BRICS will only keep growing as a force to counter western imperialism going forward.
The lemmy all option truly be wild, y’all are Marxist Leninists?
That on my home feed, oh my
people who live in a liberal bubble having their first exposure to outside ideas will never stop being hilarious
Oh nah, it’s just that I’m perma banned for years on Reddit on any socialist subreddit.
I’m amazed I’m not banned, that’s all
So it actually shows on my home feed ahaha
Are you willing to be infested by the vast majority in your area that think you tankies are batshit crazy? 👀
You can still see shit on your feed even when you are banned. It’s like you want to seem cool but are really just obviously a moron.
If you don’t interact on posts, then the algorithm shows you these posts less and less until it completely stops.
You seem like you wanna be cool but are really just obviously a moron.
Gijse sloeber
I haven’t been on lemmy in a long time, so you are just missing the mark, but I don’t think you have a point even if you had grounding. Another very unimpressive attempt to be cool I guess. I assume you get a lot of unearned validation in your life.
Someone doesn’t know how the Lemmy algorithm works….
I’m quite new to the app
So maybe don’t speak on things you know nothing about?
The only infestation here is your racism and bootlickery of the west. You capitalist bootlickers are without a shadow of a doubt the most stupid, heartless, sociopathic people on the entire planet, you are in the same league as pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. You constantly prattle on about stupid horseshit regurgitated from the global capitalist Amerikkkan neocolonialist hegemonic fascist legitimately Orwellian “news” networks that are almost all affiliated with the U.S, with nothing even close to resembling empathy or an actual original thought.
“Tankie” is a racial slur, used to demean Marxists (most of which are people of color) for daring to have a spine, a heart, empathy, and not believing everything they read from Cracker News Network.
Everyone I know is racist, but they are all different races. 🥰
You’d be fucking surprised to learn that the west is one of the least racist societies. Hello, we actually have immigrants and diaspora from all over the globe?
Bootlickery of Europe? I am European. I’m licking my own boots.
Capitalist bootlicker? My net worth is 650k euros. I am a half capitalist. Half my income comes from labour and half from capital.
My country Belgium has some of the lowest poverty in the bottom 20%. Holy fuck you’re being disgusting trying to claim that hundreds of millions of people in Europe are the same as pedophiles.
I’m too lazy to read all the news, so most of this is original thought.
Tankies aren’t a race… it’s not a racial slur. It’s just a slur. It means that you will force people with your army and they have to do what you want while you think that the people are just all so dumb and don’t know that you forcing them down with violence is for their own good.
Tankies. Tanks. You drive tanks to make people do what you want. Oppression.
Cracker is a racial slur though ahahahhaha
I’m too lazy to read all the news, so most of this is original thought.
There is nothing original in there, what you’re chirping here is what i hear from the average european 😂 you’re a example of how the status quo ideology is reproduced through common sense.
It means that you will force people with your army and they have to do what you want while you think that the people are just all so dumb and don’t know that you forcing them down with violence is for their own good.
Do you ever critically read what you write? What countries does this overwhelmingly apply to? That’s rhetorical by the way, I know you won’t get it.
You’d be fucking surprised to learn that the west is one of the least racist societies.
Divine comedy. I must have imagined all of those wars of annihilation which are still going on right the fuck now and 300 years of colonialism.
Hello, we actually have immigrants and diaspora from all over the globe?
They, just like me didn’t come to the den of jackals because of how amazing your societies are, but to make money and escape the poverty in their home countries that Europe created.
Tankies. Tanks. You drive tanks to make people do what you want. Oppression.
So says the loyal citizen of western imperialism and honest to goodness capitalist.
Where did you come from
Are you willing to be infested by
Those of us in the west tend to be surrounded by liberals, if not worse, most of the time, so it’s not really a question of willing so much as it is a constant immersive reality, with much of it being owed to decades of organized violence and propaganda against not only communists, but the working class and colonized peoples in general. Behind your confusion that anyone would think how we do is enormous amounts of violence that suppressed liberation movements across the globe over decades and vilified anyone who would dare think the working class should be in power. It’s not dissimilar to what would happen if a narcissist successfully convinced you that their victim was actually the problem, just on a much larger scale and sometimes the very people who are part of the victimization are also convinced they are the problem and the system can’t be.
I very much like my country (Belgium).
Median net wealth of 250k euros per adult.
My people did things the right way. The communists are in the opposition. Have been, will be.
Well yes, if you’re a rich colonizer and don’t give a rat’s ass about what happens to the working class, colonized peoples, etc., then communists are in the opposition. No shit. It’s almost like being part of the exploiting class and wanting it to stay that way makes you opposed to people who don’t want to be exploited. At that point, we can call it communism or yodelayheehoo for all the difference it makes. You’re still on the asshole side of society.
Oh my, so Belgians are all oppressors?
How dare we buy goods, improve them and then sell them. How dare we sell our services.
Lil question. How will Nigeria fare when the world all uses renewable energy? Their main export is oil. Their economy depends on it.
How dare we buy goods, improve them and then sell them. How dare we sell our services.
Imperialism makes up for roughly 25% of the global north’s GDP, although I will need to check how much of that goes to Belgium.
Either way, the point is, the EU runs a large chronic trade deficit, which it has no real intention of paying back. This represents a transfer of real commodities from the periphery to the core, in exchange for euros.
These euros then either devalue over time due to inflation (a reduction in the liabilities of the EU economies), or businesses/banks in the periphery must invest these euros into the EU. Either they buy EU debt, place their money in an EU bank, or invest in an EU business. The net result is that the euros come back into the EU, where they can be spent or lent out again.
Effectively, the EU, like the US has significantly higher purchasing power due to its currency (proped up by incredible violence against middle easterners, who have to bear the burden of the petro currencies) than their own domestic production would normally afford them.
Add on to this the chronic suppression of global south wages and prices, and America and the EU are able to stretch their money far beyond what it should be able to last, at the expense of global south development of course.
Our economy is based on human capital. An educated work force.
But, a good attempt. Belgium was already wealthy before Leopold 2 ever lived. Our location made us a great place for trade. We were the 2nd country to industrialise.
If our economy depended on Congo, then our economy would have crumbled in 1965.
It’s 2025 and we’re one of the wealthiest places on earth.
I’m amazed I’m not banned, that’s all
You won’t be banned unless you stir shit. We still get liberals on our articles because being wrong doesn’t get you banned here, being obnoxious does.
Are you willing to be infested by the vast majority in your area that think you tankies are batshit crazy? 👀
I would think the majority of our users have enough self esteem to not give a shit about the opinions of those who have done no investigation on any topic besides reading reddit memes or western news.
Wonder what the Chinese are able to read, when my wife was in Shanghai as layover before going back to Indonesia, she couldn’t use any western app. Even had to use WeChat.
When she tried to use VPN, her phone was useless for the whole time. Luckily she had 2 phones with her.
You can just get an e-sim before you go to China. And some VPNs do work. Also, what’s wrong with using WeChat? Everyone who has done their research before going to China knows that it makes things infinitely more convenient. When in Rome…
As for western apps being blocked, that’s not “dystopian”, it’s just a consequence of them refusing to follow Chinese law. There are still western apps that work, namely those that abide by Chinese law, such as the requirement to store Chinese user data on Chinese servers.
It seems to me that that is a common-sense requirement. I don’t want my data being owned by the US, yet because my own country does not have digital sovereignty like China and we have no alternatives to US apps, i have to live with that. I wish my government was more like China’s.
What China did is nothing unusual, they employed a type of protectionist measure to encourage the growth of their own domestic alternatives. This is a common thing for countries to do in industry, China just did it in the digital space. And it greatly paid off.
Which western apps work in China where the majority spoken language is English?
Is Lemmy allowed in china?
From some quick research: Telegram, Skype, WhatsApp, Signal, Yahoo!, Bing, Trip .com, Booking .com, all work in China for example. Waze probably works. A lot of the smaller ones do, it’s just the big ones that a) refuse to abide by Chinese laws, and b) would compete with the market share of domestic Chinese alternatives that are blocked.
By the way, if independent app developers want to launch apps in China it is possible to do so, they just need to go through the proper process: https://daxueconsulting.com/china-app-market/
And besides that, what’s wrong with using Chinese apps when you’re in China? Many of the big ones like WeChat and Didi apparently have a translation feature these days, so that you don’t even need to learn any Chinese (although it’s considered polite to learn at least a bit of the language of a country you go to visit… frankly i think it’s rude for native English speakers to expect everyone to speak English wherever you go)
when my wife was in Shanghai as layover before going back to Indonesia, she couldn’t use any western app
I used to think this was bad until recently we found out that the country I live in has its government data stored in American servers which could in theory be accessed by the Trump admin. Then I also realised that the entire continents IT infrastructure is hopelessly dependent on America, meaning we have no digital sovereignty and the Americans can spy on our data (which the NSA did, as was revealed in the Snowden leaks).
Imagine protecting your IT industries from international competition so you can develop digital sovereignty. Couldn’t be us (Literally, we are fucked here).
It’s true that it all has pros and cons.
But you cannot deny that aiming at blocking VPNs is quite dystopian.
My only contact with Chinese people is buying their products. A shame, because they are 1,4 billion people that could impact the globe with their ideas.
Most rational people can and should argue that it’s not dystopian to block out trash and garbage. The real dystopia is having a global dictatorship that provides funding, support, weapons, and government mouthpieces that drowns out actual truth in a tsunami of horseshit, to psychologically abuse and gaslight the vast majority of a planet’s population. Especially when that nation has practically the entire world in a choking vice grip, and has done almost nothing beneficial for humanity, at least not without strings attached, and has invaded, sanctioned, couped and stalled human societal progress for centuries, and has the fucking gall to think of itself as the shining city on a hill, while completely misunderstanding the original meaning behind that phrase.
I’d fucking block all western webcrap in my country if I could. Wait, my country is already doing that. And it’s doing wonders to our society. Our infospace isn’t influenced by imperialist astroturfing (as much)
But you cannot deny that aiming at blocking VPNs is quite dystopian.
Sometimes measures need to be taken that take away convenience. The Chinese do have limited access to some western sites and apps but it has had a great effect on their technological and economical sovereignty and independence. Chinese platforms are thriving. The Chinese are actually in control of their own data. Can the same be said about our governments where we face a “vendor lock” by FANGAM which have their claws over our data?
It has also kept them away from toxic anti-China sentiment on western platforms.
My only contact with Chinese people is buying their products. A shame, because they are 1,4 billion people that could impact the globe with their ideas.
That’s strange because there are Wechat, Weibo, Xiaohongshu, BiliBili and other Chinese platforms. If you really wanted to socialise with Chinese people you’d already be on one of those platforms and not writing such a cynic complaint. Still, I’ll assume good faith and recommend you to check out these platforms for yourself. Registering an account on XHS is very easy and it is definitely worth it. :)
Yes, but lemm.ee federates with virtually everyone out of principle, and no one is defederated from it. If you want access to everything, lemm.ee is a good choice. https://defed.xyz/check?software=lemmy&name=lemm.ee
Brilliant then, thanks for the info
lol fair enough, and most of us have developed a pretty thick skin at this point :)
All great then, anarcho capitalists had more impact on me because they refused to ban opposition. So they didn’t limit publicity of their ideals.
The isolationist/purist route always baffled me
Does pure germ theory disgust you too? Does the pure scientific method baffle your simple mind?
Hahahahahaa okay buddy
Just as a suspected
Oh no, I’m so sorry that communities that are specifically designed for members of that community don’t specifically want people who aren’t a member of that community in them, the horror!
I’ve never had the desire to exclude people. Live and let live.
Then stay in your own space, it’s not that hard. And bragging that you wouldn’t exclude Nazis isn’t really a very good look
More have defederated from us than we have defederated from. People here tend not to tolerate racism, bigotry or typical fascist rhetoric. Tearing down or sharing articles tearing down typical neoliberal narratives tends to attract attention from the typical “China bad, Ukraine good” groups which encompass a wide, wide circle for some “strange” reason.
I’m curious on why you’re banned from so many socialist subreddits.
👀 you’re pro china and pro Palestine, but you’re aware that China is against Islam and Muslims in Europe are quite against China (ulghur thing) and heavily pro Palestine?
My Turkish diaspora coworker won’t even buy anything from temu lol.
I’m banned from socialist subreddits because I would question their ideals and they said that their subreddits are only for socialists.
So basically when someone said something against mainstream policy (ironic), then that person would get banned.
I’m a social democrat. It’s rather funny that we’re the most left leaning liberals and socialists dislike us more for it.
China, North Korea, etc are all states that are providing weaponry and support to Hamas in their struggle against Israel; weapons from China being found for example. On top of that, they are also advocating for full statehood for Palestine and hosting a forum where members of Hamas can meet and the factions can discuss with each other. So that is objectively untrue.
https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/ https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/26/forced-labor-china-us-nato-arms-industry-cold-war/
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is the second largest organization after the United Nations with a membership of 57 states spread over four continents. The OIC released Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the non-OIC Member States in 2019 which:
- Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat’s delegation upon invitation from the People’s Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People’s Republic of China. (pulled this from DeProgram, original article: https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250) In this same document, the OIC expressed much greater concern about the Rohingya Muslim Community in Myanmar, which the West was relatively silent on. (Which Meta helped fund and support an actual genocide there)
Even if you believe the deradicalization efforts are wholly unjustified, and that the mass detention of Uyghur’s amounts to a crime against humanity, it’s still not genocide. Even the U.S. State Department’s legal experts admit as much:
The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
Who is driving the Uyghur genocide narrative?
One of the main proponents of these narratives is Adrian Zenz, a German far-right fundamentalist Christian and Senior Fellow and Director in China Studies at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, who believes he is “led by God” on a “mission” against China has driven much of the narrative. He relies heavily on limited and questionable data sources, particularly from anonymous and unverified Uyghur sources, coming up with estimates based on assumptions which are not supported by concrete evidence.
The World Uyghur Congress, headquartered in Germany, is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) which is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, using funding to support organizations that promote American interests rather than the interests of the local communities they claim to represent.
Radio Free Asia (RFA) is part of a larger project of U.S. imperialism in Asia, one that seeks to control the flow of information, undermine independent media, and advance American geopolitical interests in the region. Rather than providing an objective and impartial news source, RFA is a tool of U.S. foreign policy, one that seeks to shape the narrative in Asia in ways that serve the interests of the U.S. government and its allies.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/wiki/index/debunking/uyghur-genocide/
Truckload of sources.
You’re objectively wrong and this is probably why you were banned for spewing straight up U.S State Department talking points that are easily debunked with a bit of research instead of full-heartedly accepting C.I.A/NED fronts like “Council of Foreign Relations” (maybe meant something long ago) and debunked with a variety of sources from even the claimants own yes-men and social researchers struggling to find evidence. U.N also did not find evidence of a genocide.
So. What are your sources that are stronger than a self-debunk from U.S foreign policy, the U.N and multiple independent news organizations that don’t have USAID money flowing through them?
China is so against Islam that for decades it has specifically acted to protect and preserve religious and ethnic cultures with the permission of village people and elders, and for over a decade plus has refused to blame Islam for separatist and terrorist attacks, and instead righfully blames foreign interference and religious extremism/fundamentalism, rather than Islam itself.
China hates Islam so much that the government bans anti-Islamic and anti-Uyghur racial slurs and sentiment, criminalizes language and actions that threaten to deny Uyghur identity as being part of China. China hates muslims so much that muslim-related minority groups for decades had been exempt from child restriction policies. China hates muslims so much that government spends untold billions of dollars preserving their cultural practices, customs and beliefs.
China hates muslims so much that they spent billions creating up-to date mosques with air conditioning and safer architecture.
What in the world is “the ulghur thing”?
oh look our 2 favorite totally not fascist countries financing the totally not fascist rearmament!
i’m not sure this is methodologcally correct ? if that 800 B€ (?) comes from the EU budget then the data you should’ve shown is the contributions to the EU not the net contributions ?
The EU does not have 800 billion to spend on this, the money will have to come from the contributions of the member states.
I think what the other commenter meant to say is that you should use the gross contributions.
If A contributed €80 and took out €100, while B contributed €100 while taking out £80, the net contributions are
A: -€20 B: +€20
Now if €90 euros (50% of the current contributions) are to be raised for new spending, it would be strange to assume that all of it will come from B because they are the only ones with positive contributions. If we go by proportionality, it would make more sense to increase contributions to
A: €120 B: €150
ah yeah that makes sense
Goodness gracious.
Great balls of fire
