Yeah. Topless isn’t naked, and people who think otherwise are a bunch of weirdos.
Finally. Can we now, as a people, move on?
Men aren’t even referred to as having breasts because they’re so much smaller, but a really long time ago some people dictated that women should keep that shit covered up, ostensibly because giblets started tingling at the sight. Meanwhile, cultures exist that make no distinction between the two, and casually ask the rest of the world, “Fucking… why?”
I think this is a disingenuous take. Different cultures all have their own taboos. Is it all social constructs? Yea, sure, but that doesn’t make them invalid within context. By nature they aren’t logical.
They’re cultural creations. They were created by human beings, and WE have the power to change them. If we want something to stop being a taboo, we can simply will it to be as such.
Quite a bit of hubris you have there…
Better than nihilistic fatalism that the world is doomed and there’s nothing we can do to improve it.
Um, sure. If those were the only two options.
History disagrees. It’s very hard to go against cultural norms, and in many cases can result in being ostracized, imprisoned, or put to death.
The taboos are pretty logical. They’ve swung back and forth over the years. For example, the Victorian era of prudishness appeared not long after the syphilis epidemic.
They’ve swung back and forth over the years.
I see what you’ve done there.
Equal treatment irrespective of the sexual features you were born into? What a left-field decision in this clusterfuck of a year.
Free the nipple!! ( . )Y( . )
The ASCII art looks better this way: ( . Y . )
These always take me back to the 80s. Newsgroups at 2400 baud. The struggle was real.
Those tiny little nips tho…
( ○ Y ○ )
Ye you right
Female-presenting nipples?? Tumblr told me those were porn.
It’s weird that a man topless is fine for pg movies, even G probably. But a woman topless shoots it right up to R. Though Titanic was PG-13. I assume it was more relaxed at the time?
There are quite a few PG-13 where women are topless. Boobs don’t automatically get an R rating. Everything else being equal, I believe it has to be topless in a sexual context to elicit an R rating.
There are quite a few PG-13 where women are topless.
I cannot think of any others… Do you have any examples?
There used to be a <1 second time limit in which brief nudity didn’t apply.
There’s honestly no shortage.
Here are some examples:
Saturn 3 (1980) had a little bit
Airplane! (1980) A woman hops into frame and out of frame completely topless for a second around 45 minutes in.
Ragtime (1981)
I wouldn’t count those, as I suggested things have shifted. I remember watching a 1980s film that was pg at most and considered a kids show with swearing and people flipping the bird.
I don’t think their is a single movie after Titanic with a full view topless female that isn’t R.
suggested things have shifted. I remember watching a 1980s film that was pg at most and considered a kids show with swearing an
There was a stink when Cameron released Titanic and pushed it through as PG-13, but it got overruled.
We’ve been getting more and more worried about safety ratings for years, interesting for Minnesota to lead the way back to where most of the rest of the world rests.
The Fifth Element (1997)
The Cider House Rules (1999)
Something’s Gotta Give (2003)
Across the Universe (2007)
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007)
Passengers (2016)
Asteroid City (2023)
All of these are PG-13 and all feature female topless nudity. Just off the top of my head
All even older than Cameron’s Titanic.
See reddit’s r/pg13nudity
It happened now and then, but it’s mostly because James Cameron gets to do whatever he wants. Any rando director and it’s an R rating. If PG-13 movies get to show a female-presenting nipple at all, like the Fifth Element, they will be very brief, often from the side, and may not even be in focus. They’re probably not using makeup or other techniques to make the nipples stand out.
Same with Wolf of Wall Street, but on the next level up. Scorsese directs and argues against an NC-17 rating (which is considered a box office death sentence).
Hollywood is a very nepotistic industry, and the ratings system is no exception. Most of the rules for ratings aren’t even written down. There are unwritten rules that even the general public figures out (like only getting one f-bomb in a PG-13 movie), but they can be cast aside when a major director or producer gets on the phone and causes a fuss.
I loved the movement years ago to shop male nipples over female nipples and post the end results. I mean, letter on the law and stuff, right?
Heres another one. Getting mad at trans women for both “pretending” to ne women and also for being topless/flashing their breasts.
fb gave me 30 days off for this
if only she was wearing a skin colored shirt…
and then just male nipples floating in the sky…gave up posting nipples in a veterans group. mostly check up on fam. oddly these are fine;
I extremely hate that last pic for some reason
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Go topless or the misogynists win!
Boobs aren’t even a turn on for me, but I say don’t let this die in the courtroom, take this to the streets!
Just probably don’t do it in the 9 out of 12 months we used to have winter in
Pretty sure the mosquitos will get you for the remainder.
“I didn’t even know nipples could shatter, but there they were: on the floor all broken”
A little unorthodox, but I’m going to allow it.
Based Minnesota
Amen.
like light breaking through dark clouds. release the boobs
now if only we can end sexual segregation…
I lived in Haiti for 3 years where the top of a woman was not considered private. Within 2 months, looking at a woman’s breast was about as exciting as looking at her elbow. Weirdly, they switched back to being sexual after returning to Canada.
Woman’s breasts aren’t considered private here (Canada) either
By law or by culture?
Both?
To be clear, I would expect that if it’s by culture, then it’d be very common to see women walking around topless and nobody pays it much attention.
Lots of places allow it at a matter of law. There’s been many state Supreme Court cases like the one in OP that say female breasts don’t count towards indecent exposure. Where I live (Madison, WI), those laws only apply to being sexually lewd. Anyone can technically run around naked otherwise, but it’s not something people commonly do outside of the World Naked Bike Ride and protests.
You can see women topless at beaches but only in summer
At least in Ontario. Women have had the same right as men to go topless anywhere a man would. This is since 1996, I think that’s when that Gretchen lass took it to court.
So by law, yes. A culture of women walking around topless is a different thing entirely.
But the article is about law, not culture, right?
The reply a few above is about Haiti, which is more cultural. That’s how we got here.
Oh, I see.
There is an incentive to cover them for women
When they stop becoming “private parts” they stop having the effect
