• Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Your survival time would depend on how far apart you and the bear are, how’s fast you can run, and how angry or hungry the bear is.

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    2 months ago

    180 seconds (3 minutes) is a hilarious overestimation of any fighter’s ability. Unless you’re counting the time it takes to bleed out.

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      the grizzly is telling him “Ah, Jesus. I wish you could see this. Light’s coming up. I’ve never seen a painting that captures the beauty of the ocean at a moment like this. I’m gonna make you rich, Bud Fox. Yeah. Rich enough, you can afford a girl like Darien. This is your wake-up call, pal. Go to work.”

  • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Fun fact: Grizzlies and Polar Bears are the same species according to the Biological Species Concept.

    Meaning they interbreed in the wild (somewhat rare), and produce viable offspring that can have babies as well.

    We’re actually noticing this happening more and more with climate change. As Grizzly populations move further and further north, they’re encountering polar bears more often and are more likely to mate.

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      2 months ago

      Biologists wouldn’t say they’re the same species, because biologists are aware of interspecies hybrids and the species problem.

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        Close enough that we probably helped bred them out of existence. Neanderthal genetic markers show up with some regularity in certain modern human populations.

        Edit to add: While humans didn’t breed them out of existence, we certainly did intermix with them. And that does help to maintain their existence yet today.

    • xwolpertinger@lemmy.world
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      Fun fact: Grizzlies and Polar Bears are the same species according to the Biological Species Concept.

      Calling it that gives it too much credit, it is something thought up in the 17th/18th century without any concept of genetics and evolution.

      Which might explain why it breaks down almost instantly under any amount of scrutiny.

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        It’s a category. All lines are arbitrary to a degree and “interbreeds and produces viable offspring” is not exceedingly arbitrary. You can have arguments around populations which could and would interbreed if they weren’t geographically distinct, you can argue about whether offspring needs to be viable no matter which way around the sexes of the parents are, or how large the percentage of viable offspring needs to be, but in the end, yep it makes sense to have a distinction somewhere around that bunch of criteria.

        House cats and European wild cats are considered distinct species not because they’re genetically incompatible, but because they don’t interbreed to any significant degree – too many behavioural differences, and we’re not speaking about culture, here. So even if they could intermingle in theory in practice they don’t, so they stay separate, so they’re different species.

        It’s kind of… a behavioural view on the genome? If you have a better idea, field it, there has to be some dividing line because taxa for the taxonomy god.

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      There are tons and tons and tons of species that can do this. It’s not clear to me what the prevailing species concept is nowadays, if we’re even still following one.

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      In the near future, Polar Bears as a separate species will likely disappear, and we’ll have all hybrids.

      • Psychadelligoat@lemmy.dbzer0.comBanned
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        Zoom in on my shirt, the ring around my neck is about the height and width of a gummy bear, or at least close enough to work as an average

    • arrow74@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      And there was a time that humans with stone tools were like yep I can kill that

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        Thats how we made it this far. Some absolute morons charge ahead and get themselves killed, while everyone else shakes their head. With some animals it works, surprisingly. Others we learn to keep away from- until the next moron feels like " hey, lets try that thing again!".

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          I mean we basically successfully hunted every animal in the planet. Wouldn’t say it’s fair to call them morons

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            I mean, we likely also hunted every animal on the planet unsuccessfully and got killed by them.

            did any society ever rely on polar bears as a major food source? because to me, that would seem like the absolute last resort. Not an everyday-type activity, more something for the desperate or someone crazy. Then again, I’m not into stone age history.

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              Nah that was their time. If you gave the average group of humans 40,000 years ago and an average group of modern day humans spears and told them to hunt a polar bear, the group from the past would be much more successful.

              Obviously our technology today makes it an easier task, but I’m very impressed at what our ancestors were capable of.

              Look up cave bears for a treat.

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    Worked in Yellowstone for a summer.

    Spent some time with the rangers. They got all sorts of questions…

    Like which handgun caliber would be best to defend oneself from a bear.

    Essentially, the ranger broke it down stating there was a weakness in the skull about the size of a bullet that you had to hit directly to have a chance of dropping a bear with a handgun. While its coming at you and pissed/hungry.

    So essentially, you’ve just pissed off the bear before it gets it claws on you.

    Well placed slugs from shotguns, rifle rounds, and preferably (according to the ranger in question) a tranquilizer to re-home the bear away from people. That being said, the bears are tracked to an extent and bears who show repeated behavior endangering themselves/tourists tend to be exterminated, sadly.

    Hand to claw combat? Human is going down.

    This is why in the past, when bears were hunted, they were hunted in their dens during hibernation - at the end of spears to keep that hungry bear as far away as possible from your soft easily rent flesh.

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        It entirely depends on the bear species, but in general guns are a last resort defense against bears.

        Primary defense is avoidance and making it so they can avoid you. A bear will eat you, but is unlikely to hunt you. For most bears we’re an unknown quantity so they’ll avoid us, since other food is reasonably available with less risk.

        A bear has heavy fur, thick skin for storing winter fat deposits, and dense bones. While bullets will injure the bear and perhaps even kill it, it won’t be enough to save you.
        Much like how hitting someone on the head with a glass bottle will hurt them, almost certainly injure them, and potentially kill them, the type of injury is likely to be a fractured skull or brain bleed. Extremely serious and deadly, but they have minutes of functionality and hours of bewildered stumbling before they black out.

        So it’ll likely die… Later. For now you have a scared, confused and pissed off bear.

        I believe hollow points have less penetration power, so it might not even get through the hide. Other bullets will get through fine, but are unlikely to stop the bear dead.

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          Woah. I must ask further in my quest to understand last resort bear encounter gun tips. What about an .45 calibred pistol with an magazine alternating between normal and hollow points? I get the skull take, even some fighting dogs are immune to 9mm skull shots. I don’t live in America, don’t own a gun but know a lot about guns, just very interested in this topic

          • madcaesar@lemmy.world
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            Your question is 100% valid.

            All these people piling on you claiming a bear will just shrug off having a hand gun emptied into it. That just sounds like bullshit to me, they aren’t robots… Bullets aren’t pellets that shit will penetrate and any species with a survival instinct will back up.

            I simply cannot believe what people are saying? Is there any proof or is it all just made up speculation people make by extrapolating size and injuries caused by bullets?

          • sus@programming.dev
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            .44 magnum is barely on par with an intermediate rifle round like 5.56 against large game. And that’s before considering the massively lower felt recoil or the fact that a rifle is much easier to aim

    • dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      That reminds me of a dirty joke.

      Tourist: So, which would you recommend for self-defense against a grizzly: a hunting rifle, or a large-caliber pistol?

      Ranger: The pistol.

      Tourist: Really? Why’s that?

      Ranger: Because it’ll hurt less when the bear shoves it up your ass.

    • Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world
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      If you see a bear off trail, that’s normal.

      If you see a man off trail, you are being followed.

      How hard is it to understand?

      It’s not about which one women would rather fight, is about which one they would rather encounter when they expect to be alone.

      Also, the worst bears can do is maul you to death on the spot. The worst men can do is rape, torture, and maim you for weeks before killing you.

      • GoodLuckToFriends@lemmy.today
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        Also, the worst bears can do is maul you to death on the spot. The worst men can do is rape, torture, and maim you for weeks before killing you.

        Damn, all that fanfiction I read from brother bear is just crumbling…

  • Mac@mander.xyz
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    2 months ago

    Motorcycle helmets are purposefully not-hard. Odd comparison.

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    *first floor windows don’t go nuts guys no way that lad is reaching all the way to the second floor