Nothing more manly and confident than having to constantly validate your manlyness
I’ve heard that Russian Orthodox churches in the USA are not what they are in Russia, and are actually fine because of being removed from the hierarchy and kinda marginal, but, eh, manliness is anyway not what Christianity is generally about.
And “traditions” are no more ancient than in a Catholic church they can find or an Assyrian or an Armenian one.
Anyway, those stereotypes. Russians are very masculine to be a country whose economy mainly consists of selling oil and gas and other resources, some tech sector due to remnants of Soviet education and building nuclear stations. With prison population rivaling that of the USA. That’s an “/s”.
EDIT: And the article author knows about Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox being different things, but misses the clue and thinks they are variations of the same. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are united by being, as it’s sometimes called, Chalcedonean Christianity. Oriental Orthodox is all that split at that point, but not earlier.
JFC if someone is this worried about their “manliness” or lack thereof, there’s really no hope for them.
And yet you’re describing a wide percentage of young men
Only 75, per the article. No one writes articles like this about women getting into Wicca even though it’s hundreds of times more common
Who? People keep fucking saying there’s a lot but all I see is a vocal minority? You see 1/200 and you focus on them?
It’s a vocal minority that is trying to appear bigger than they are with propaganda
That propaganda helped Trump win the Gen Z vote. I wouldn’t say it’s a minority when factoring only youth. Plus there are plenty of middle aged and older men that have fragile masculinity.
Are you talking about me? How do you know? It’s pure rumors anyway! I’m extremely manly, OK? My car makes a lot of noise, so yeah. I’m heterosexual btw
So, all these “manly” men need a fluffer to make them more “manly”?
I find the obsession with being super manly that some types have to be highly suspicious. Seems they are either very insecure or seeking manliness out of a closeted gay urge. Because it’s just not the kind of thing you need to go get help with. Performant manliness is still a performance.
I feel bad for the men that get indoctrinated by this guy. Just like a lot of people that get taken in by religion, these people are looking for some understanding or change that really can only come from within but the church is promising that religion is the only way.
These men don’t understand that there is no black and white/ universal version of “manliness”. We all have to decide for ourselves what “being a man” means.
I go with a simple definition: as someone who was born a man and continues to identify as a man, my feeling is that, anything I do is “manly” because I am a man. Doesn’t matter if it’s sewing, hunting, or eating soup (which the preacher in the article seems to think is not manly)
Being a man is eating soup and being able to say “fuck you, I like soup.”
I don’t know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don’t like cambells.
Hey, you’re like me. I HATED soup for decades. Can soup BS was disgusting. Soup on the side of my burger, gross.
Then I went to a real soup place. Like all they did was soup. Like professional level soup that’s $8 a cup or $12 a bowl.
My god - it was incredible. I now understand the Soup Nazi bit of why anybody would tolerate that behavior.
I went from clean shaven anti-souper to a god damn soup coke fiend.
Campbell’s classic chicken noodle hits different when you’re recovering from a bout of norovirus.
But generally yes, canned soup is pretty bad. There’s a ton of soups across most global cuisines, so many so that it’s borderline unbelievable that you’ve never tried a single one.
And also being so confident, you don’t need another man to tell you you’re a big strong masculine man.
In college a woman remarked “I don’t know many men manly enough to wear a pink shirt.”
She hasn’t seen rugby players in the south of France.
We need feminism but for men (which is a thing that kinda already exists but we need more)
In my opinion, as a man, feminism is for men. Feminism, at its core, is saying that strict gender roles are made up, and anyone is capable of being anyone. Men had a lot of freedom to do this already, though obviously a lot of things weren’t allowed, like homosexuality, playing with other gendered clothing, or “queerness” in general as it used to be called.
A proper understanding of feminism I think would lead us all to recognizing we are free from the shackles of tradition, though the word makes a lot of people think it’s only helping women, at the expense of men.
this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn’t just a vague ideology, it’s also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i’ll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i’m not foolish enough to think i’d be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I don’t think you’re correct, and I’ve felt welcomed around feminists (though I’ve never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn’t detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren’t real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
nothing that you’ve said here contradicts my point and you’re demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
I’ve been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don’t try to take center stage or make it about you and you’ll be fine in the vast majority of them.
if you truly believe that, it says more about your own social awareness than it does about the feminist movement.
Pretty much how I see it. Being “a man” is being comfortable with who you are and not being scared about what others think. Putting a dress on and having “Tea” with your kids during playtime is just as manly as playing football. (And looks hilarious when you’re a 6 ft tall biker looking dude with a beard and hairy legs like me.)
Reminds me of a scene in the Lone Wolf and Cub comic I read when I was younger.
I don’t remember all the details, but there’s a panel where the two most dangerous samurai in all of feudal Japan are camping out before a fight, and some rando is astonished that these high bred, noble, elite warriors are cooking their own rice. One of the two rips into him about self-sufficiency and how there aren’t always servants to do your cooking for you, and what kind of warrior would just starve when he has no servants around?
And what does the article say? Eating soup isn’t manly? WTF? I’d like to hear his rationale for that one, but I’d probably lose a couple of IQ points reading it.
Toxic masculinity is full of shaming men for random things that are arbitrarily defined as not manly. Nothing is more dangerous for a Man than not conforming to masculine gender norms
When I was younger, I was thin, blond, green-eyed and freckled. In short, a bit of a twink. I didn’t present as macho, but grew up in a rough neighborhood and when I went to college, could take down any “manly” frat-boy bullies who thought they could push me around.
Now I’m much older, also much bigger, look like an extra in a biker movie, but am still the same guy I was back then, and I’m never on the side of 'roid-raging morons or idiot red-pillers. When they think I’m one of them and start chatting shit, I shut it down fast. Even when they’re hormone-stuffed human cauliflowers, they’re soft. I’m not going to turn my back on my gay, lesbian and trans friends just because they make you insecure. You’re the one with the wrong values and self-loathing. Work on that if you want to feel better about yourself.
It’s in the 12 commandments, along with though shaft not draw.liquid with a straw because it looketh like yon penis.
This kind of insecurity is intentionally cultivated for the purpose of being exploited. If you can make a man afraid of whatever kind of food you name by declaring it unmanly you can control him.
I think men are going to have to define foe themselves what secure masculinity looks like and how to achieve it.
Not worrying about it has been a solution that has worked well for me. Having a close friend who’s lesbian helped a lot too. She taught me a lot about being true to one’s self, and I love her for it. In the next life, if she’s into men or I’m a woman, we’ll get together. In this life, we don’t have sex, but there are plenty of other ways to show love for someone. She’s my sister from another mother.
As a Slavic man I find “soup makes you gay” bit to be extra funny. Has he even BEEN to Eastern Europe? What next, some guy from Idaho converts to Islam and decides eating falafels is sinful :)?
Yeah, seriously. I’ve been all over Eastern Europe and can confidently say that Slavs make some of the best soup I’ve had anywhere. And if I’ve turned gay, I haven’t realized it yet.
So fragile, so scared. They are so terrified of being perceived as lesser men that they resort to this crap. It’s just that you could only feel sorry for them… if they didn’t suck, that is.
So manly that they’ll get deep inside you
With a manly helping hand, they beat each other’s hard problems.
that’s like 2 layers of scam
Maybe four, if you include Russian state-controlled church.
Manliness has always been a scam.
Source: me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
me having grown up in the Balkans where manliness tends to reign supreme as a life goal
And it’s entangled with paranoid, exclusive nationalism of the worst sort. It’s no wonder the women there like foreign guys.
I was always told to be manly was to show up for those that you love. To be reliable and useful on a day to day basis. All this nonsense about dominance and “independence” is just ridiculous.
It’s stupid on so many levels.
First off, it implies there is some sort or series of social masculine trait(s) that are in some way desirable. It gets even more stupid when this turns into expectations, like “you’re a man, you should X”.
It’s kind of sad but not unsurprising that there’s an industry trying to capitalize on the resulting insecurities.
I think it was a positive aspect of the MGTOW idea to reject these expectations and do your own thing.
This is a good movie, if you don’t mind the blood and gore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Northman
It follows the life story of a manly man… not something many would truly pursue for themselves even if they had the opportunity.
I think mgtow pretty quickly became an incel movement, at least from what I saw on reddit.
That doesn’t seem surprising. They both are misogyny plus not getting laid
Well like the other commenter said, it was ostensibly about guys just focusing on themselves and breaking out of the toxic trait of defining yourself by whoever is on your arm. That in itself is fine, and hell, even helpful. The issue is that it naturally attracted incels trying to be the aloof sigma that’s too cool to bother with silly women.
Manliness is an ideal intentionally placed out of reach. An insecurity to be exploited
Only if your conception of masculinity is stupid. There are plenty of manly role models out there, we’ve just largely decided not to pay them much attention.
The manliest man I can think of: Norm Abram. His achievements:
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Made a living wearing flannel shirts
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Excellent beard
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Distinguished service award from the American Academy of Ophthalmology
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Built a sailboat
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said “Not roman orgy, roman ogee” on national television and got away with it
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If you step out of line with what is considered acceptable (and The most toxic insecure men incent things to be afraid of out of nowhere) you get harshly punished. Learned this the hard way growing up trans
Trans man or woman?
In my experience, transfemme although trans men have had interesting things to say on the topic
I guess you got off the hamster wheel at some point. I imagine trans men being faced with this stuff… That’s not to say there’s no toxic stuff on the femme side of things.
Oh yeah we got problems on the girl’s side bit at least women aren’t afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
Word
What’s more manly than never letting your dick touch a woman’s estrogen filled vagina? Nothing, except maybe letting another man inject his testosterone into your anus with his dick.
“Convert Theodore” looks a hell lot like the hat-tipping M’lady mister
Almost all the converts I meet have opted to home-school their offspring, partly because they believe women should prioritise their families rather than their careers.
Welp, that alone says a lot.
Father Moses says Orthodoxy is “not masculine, it is just normal”, while “in the West everything has become very feminised”.
Hahahaha, no. The only normal is humans wanting to form groups with like-minded people and, sometimes, making that group appear very different from another group, aka schismogenesis - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schismogenesis
Some - in America and other countries - see Russia as the last bastion of true Christianity
Eeehh, given that the orthodox christians are likely closer to the root christianity than the western christians, that is not “too wrong” to assume, I guess. Then again, the orthodox did hunt down several “heretical” christians, some of which likely were “more christian” than them.
So basically a church of assholes competing with each other to out asshole each other. Then they wonder why their kids don’t talk to them and that “manliness” skips a generation. I am willing to bet these “absurdly manly” men are in the closet and over compensating.Using an iron is too feminine? Bitch if you want to be respected as a professional don’t fucking show up in wrinkled ass clothes. Why do you think the army fucking irons? Because you look good in unwrinkled clothes. God dammit I am going on a rant again.
It’s also Russian for bonus points. Masculinity is defined as being the oppressor class and thus can never attain stability
The army needs to look good?
Yes. It’s in their regulations. We’re not talking in-the-heat-of-the-battle-dress code here. Although, I guess you could use a hot iron and the board as weapons in combat.
Irons can burn in hell. Either steamer or dryer, but ironing legitimately sucks. It somehow makes my shirt more wrinkly than I started.
Sounds like you’re too manly for your iron. Try being a bit gayer next time.
Try fucking your shirt. Nothing manlier than a man manhandling a piece of rag.
Georgetown Texas. No wonder
Texas, you say
15 dumbasses in East Bumblefuck: *do something*
BBC: A NEW GLOBAL TREND?!?!
I wish these shitbricks were actually fleeing to Russia at the levels this article is trying to portray.
It’s propaganda. We’re trying to make it look like every man’s reaction because they want to years argumentum ad popularum try and make it so
