See, the trick is that calling it a tariff hides the fact it’s an IMPORT TAX, paid by the people within the IMPORTING COUNTRY
Since it’s a tax, the party paying the tax has no impact on its tax incidence. It’s just the result of supply and demand elasticity.
It doesn’t hide it from most people, just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them.
just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them
Of which there are more than 70 million in this country.
That’s the thing though. A lot of people do not bother researching and finding information themselves. That’s what makes rhetoric so powerful.
And it works. Just keep repeating the lie that people want to believe and they will believe it. The bigger the better. That’s what makes Trump so persuasive to morons. They want to believe these unbelievably ridiculous lies.
“A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth primarily used as a political propaganda technique.[1][2] The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. Hitler claimed that the technique had been used by Jews to blame Germany’s loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist political leader in the Weimar Republic.”
It’s funny how often the accusations Hitler leveled at others ended up sticking to him instead. After he had Ernst Roehm and other brownshirts arrested and murdered in 1934, he gave a speech in which he claimed that Roehm had been planning a “Night of the Long Knives” (a phrase in use since the middle ages) attack on Hitler and the other nazi leaders. The phrase famously ended up being used to describe Hitler’s actions.
You all are snowflakes but please explain this to me without triggering me
This is MY safe space and you can’t come in!
Just cultist things.
…for millenia there has been an axiom, a truism, if you will, that has persisted among the many, and applied to very few…“you cannot fix stupid”
Apparently it’s difficult to grasp that price increases when thing get more expensive.
But why? Is it because of Biden? Please don’t explain it to me.
It’s because of Hunter Biden’s laptop
Why would Hillary’s emails do this?
But her emails!!
Buttery males
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The catch is that the ones who don’t understand always, ALWAYS think it’s the other country that pays the tariff. Every time.
The dumb thing is that it doesn’t matter who pays the tariff, it still will get passed to the consumer. Consider a scenario where the government starts taxing Amazon $100 per order no matter what’s in it. If you buy a $10 item on Amazon, how are they going to pay the $100 tax on that? Amazon will just add a $100 tax fee to your order because they can’t keep running a business if that cost isn’t baked into the final price. It doesn’t matter who actually delivers money to the government, the tax gets paid by all parties involved.
FYI, sales tax is already done this way. Sales tax is collected from businesses, not customers, but customers still pay sales tax because that’s just how economics works.
Right, you and I get that, my point is that the people who are confused why their tariff-impacted goods cost more don’t get that. They think the other country pays it, full stop.
Even if that’s true the price would still increase. The exporting country would just charge extra to make up the difference. It’s not like they would just absorb the extra cost by pure goodwill for the oh so poor American people.
Well, that’s exactly what Trump said would happen, so why would they think otherwise?
If an entire cult is too fucking stupid to recognize what’s hurting them, then how the fuck could tariffs be MAGA’s death knell like some people are saying? You could literally douse some of these people in gasoline and tell them, ‘I need you to burn for just a couple seconds for Trump,’ and they’d fucking do it.
I saw some asshole in an interview saying, “Sometimes you gotta walk through the fire first.”
Like…Yeah? Maybe. Just don’t start by lighting yourself the fuck on fire. 😕🔫
People were all ‘Dave portnoy is talking about losing money!’’ Yeah well, if you look into it, he still 100% supports Trump.
I think I’ve finally seen Dave enough times before Portnoy to stop the “I’ve read he is a great drummer…I’m not a fan of prog rock at all…why is he being mentioned” repeat that was going on every time I read the name.
Not me, yet!
tariffs can and will be the death knell if he comes back to those original rates.
No real effects from tariffs have happened yet across the board so the impact isn’t truely felt. Even chinese imports don’t have the tariffs yet because it’s only goods that were on boats after it took effect.
We won’t see the downstream impact of even 10% tariffs for months. It won’t be until sales slump that people start getting fired and then sales will get even worse…
There have already been plenty of real effects from HitlerPig’s tariffs, just not the financial ones. This latest tariff scam, the third one in three months, has eroded the confidence, respect, and trust of the entire world, and it will be YEARS before it returns, if ever.
Yes, but it takes time for people here to realize the effects of that.
Less travel to the US? Well we’ll start seeing layoffs in holiday destinations… but probably not that hard, yet. As things continue to decline and prices increase it will get worse, and worse, and worse.
Most of this stuff takes time to ramp up is my point. We still haven’t seen the effects of deporting hundreds of thousands to millions of immigrants in legal status before being arbitrarily revoked, and that will absolutely cause some major issues in all kinds of places. They were paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes per year based on 2022 data and getting no benefits from it. Even the immigration process is not free, you pay for all the workers who touch your case with all the fees involved. I know, my wife is living that. We’re not talking about our lawyer either, literally the filing fees paid to the US.
It took Nazis months in Stalingrad to realize Hitler didn’t give a fuck about them. Shit, a lot of them probably died out there in the snow and ice thinking they were doing a great job for him.
Your president is an idiot that is why your being charged more MAGAt.
You’re no longer his friend
And nothing of value was lost.
Because it’s very hard to search online for “how tariffs work”. This is why Trump got elected, because idiots like this who have no capacity to fact check things voted for him, no questions asked.
To make answer short, YOU pay the tariffs dummy. You do!
DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH?
I DID MY RESEARCH.
GO DO YOUR RESEARCH.
OH MY RESEARCH IS BETTER THAN YOUR RESEARCH THAT’S WHY.
It’s not even because it’s hard to search, they lack the capacity to think critically. Even if they were smart enough to do a google search on the workings of tariffs, they still wouldn’t do it. They take everything they see on their feed and Newsmax at face value.
One of the stupid 30%.
30%80% - it’s called the 80/20 rule*60%
I would be short and concise, and just for this person add a sprinkle of personal responsibility:
Trump taxed you because you bought something un-American.
The extension:-
This costs more because you have to pay off Trump as it contains something un-American.
If someone explained to him what tariffs are and how they work without mentioning the president at first, and how it will impact his spending money, there’s a chance he might finally admit to Trump making a mistake.
No he wouldn’t.
The true Trump Derangement Syndrome
It’s worth a try. It’s better than insulting them and screming at them, which for sure isn’t going to work.
But I’m pretty certain you’re right though. It’s pretty much became a cult at this point.
You can’t logic someone out of a place they didn’t logic themselves into, but they got to that place for reasons, just not logical ones. If you can figure out the underlying drivers for their position, it’s possible (although still really difficult) to address those underlying needs in a way that enables the person to loosen up on the unreasonable position.
Not sure that approach can get traction over the internet, though. Discussions on social media are more for the lurkers than for any chance of the posters changing each other’s minds.
Oh yeah forget about trying to convince people like him over the internet and social media. In person it might be different.
Yeah I do it with about the same faith as I do the lottery.
Although I never buy a lottery ticket because the chances are so low, but I do argue idiots, even though the chances of breaking through are probably lower.
Almost everyone is in favor of the Affordable Care Act, but as soon as they hear “Obamacare” it’s suddenly evil.
Or like how
Burger KingA&W’s 1/3 pound burger never took off because Americans are too stupid to realize 1/3 is a bigger number than 1/4 so they go to McDonald’s instead.They should have really come with the 1/6863 tonne burger
Maybe americans should start calling these “Trump Tax”
I’ve been trying to call them import taxes because more people should. It simplifies the explanation of what teriffs are greatly
I bet a coworker that the words “tariff” and “tax” are synonyms. Fucker refused to pay even after we looked it up - called Thesaurus.com “fake news”.
That wasn’t burger king, that was a&w.
Fixed, cheers
Doubtful.
“Not muh prezdent”No, initial reaction would probably be that “you’re wrong”, and the importer is trying to stiff him and/or is a Biden’s supporter trying to make Trump look bad or some other shit. After some time, he might come around, but the principle of a cult is no matter what fact and evidence you provide, they will dismiss them and refuse to change their minds.
You’re probably right, sadly.
Congress can take the power to set tariffs away from the president. But will they? Highly doubtful.
I hope we learn the lesson by the midterms. Unlikely, but possible.
“My President” ? What is he ? a yandere ?
Tariffs are paid by the company that imports foreign-made goods to the government. To make up for that expense, they charge the retailer the same amount; and to make up for that expense, the retailer charges the customer the same (or a higher) amount added to the item’s price. (at least as I understand it)
If OOP is “100% Trump!”, they should be very, extremely happy about paying into THEIR President’s pockets.
You’re right, except for how early in the process the profiteering starts.
Every single company involved will exploit the situation to add extra on top of the tariffs themselves.
Because the already broken (in the 80s if not earlier and progressively worse ever since) system not only allows them to, but ENCOURAGES fleecing people as much as possible to maximize profits for shareholders.
People still don’t know?! Lmao. How stupid can you be?
there are people out there who voted for trump more than twice. Very stupid.
Very. Very, very stupid.
Think of how stupid the average person is. The. Realize half of people arw dumber then that
Give the late George Carlin his credit for this quote please.
Half of them are too dumb to know that’s the mean, not the average.
Yes. I’m one of the ones too dumb to remember the distinction.
Ha fair, and now that I commented at all I’m probably due to say something silly in the next hour or so myself.
At least you know you’re dumb. That makes you smarter than any magat :)
Stop being mean. 😎😎😎
