ddg isn’t really any better with that exact search query. all ‘fashion’ related items on the first page.
you get the expected top result (imdb page for the film ‘heat’, which you have to scroll through to determine your ‘answer’) by using simply: angelina jolie heat
NGL, I learned some things.
I think the trick here is to not use Google. The Wikipedia page for the movie heat is the first result on DuckDuckGo
I use duck duck go as well. I wish it wasn’t just anonymised Bing search. One of these days I’ll look into an open source independent search engine.
I haven’t used Bing in a while but I alternate between Ecosia and DDG, supposedly Bing as their main provider. I find more and more differences between them nowadays so I do feel DuckDuckBot and Qwant partnership are doing their thing. I’m optimistic about both of them broadening their sources as they state in their websites.
Qwant
though it’s not free, I suggest Kagi. It’s only a few dollars a month. Then you can be sure you’re not the product.
Searxng maybe?
I think the trick is to put the word “movie”
DDG also has a quick answer AI
Its does, but its less annoying and actually has an off switch
It does?? I was using Brave because it had AI
(And also because so many websites are censored on DDG for some reason)
and its implementation is so massively superior to anything else i’ve seen that it makes me want to bang my head against the wall
their AI just has a list of vetted sources which it relevant articles from and summarizes the text according to your query, so it actually fucking cites sources that you can easily verify and it’s unlikely to just hallucinate nonsense. It also has the ability to go “yeah idk man, try changing your query maybe” if it can’t find a relevant article to pull from.
Oh and since it uses actual sources it can easily be corrected if errors are noticed :OOO
You can also search Wikipedia directly.
Yup, using the bang !w anywhere within the search
PSA for Firefox/fork users, click the button to the left of the search bar after clicking blank space in the search bar, you’ll get a list of choices besides just your primary selection. You can add more:
Yeah, first part of any fresh Fox setup is changing the default search engine.
if anyone’s using ddg, you can do this by just adding !w for a direct Wikipedia search, or even !imdb for a direct imdb search without going to the respective sites first.
Ashley Judd looks nothing like Angelina Jolie.
Google was fine as it was before, now it does shit like this. I hate how AI is shoved down our throats. And the results on google nowadays feel so much worse and generic than a few years ago. That isn’t just a feeling I have, right?
Append ?udm=14 to your Google search results
I’m not opening that Rick Astley link, thank you.
No it’s a real link
I’d rather use anything else
Really? Felt like Google jumped the shark quite awhile before this even started.
It been a downhill slope that just keeps getting steeper. They’re basically falling off a cliff right now, and their parachute is improving AI.
They’re an ad company that just happens to offer search as a way to show ads.
Their ideal scenario is one where you search forever and never find what you were looking for.
They’re walking the fine line between being shitty enough that you have to refine your search multiple times (thus allowing them to show you more ads), but not being SO shitty that you give up and never come back.
This has been effectively proven by email chains made public through court proceedings. Former head of search left sometime around 2015 because the ad team was being allowed to make search worse to pump their numbers.
New head of search was the guy who ran Yahoo’s search department while they got eaten alive by Google, and he had been working Google’s Ad division after he left Yahoo.
Huh. Interesting! Thanks!
Not just you. I feel like search modifiers like “NOT” or “OR” haven’t been working for a good long while either.
They stopped supporting booleans in 2013. This is the list of currently supported search modifiers.
While it’s nice to finally have closure on this, it’s also depressing that they removed that.
Add obscenities to your search for the most optimized results. It drops the AI component and seems to provide the more direct results we used to get.
I just get X-rated results.
It appears you were looking for Lara Croft in the nude. I think I’ve found what you’re looking for…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NuFK6cLDzT4
Edit: I can provide a build script for that.
Debian Linux Script…
#!/bin/bash if [ -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then # Simply run the game startup script and exit... pushd ./ cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian ./TR1X.sh popd exit else # Create temporary download folder if [ ! -d /tmp/TR1X-download ]; then mkdir /tmp/TR1X-download fi # Download and extract game engine tarball pushd ./ cd /tmp/TR1X-download if [ ! -f TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz ]; then wget http://web.archive.org/web/20231122035737if_/https://files.catbox.moe/lc2sqz.gz mv lc2sqz.gz TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz fi if [ ! -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian ]; then mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian fi pushd ./ cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian if [ ! -f TR1X ]; then tar -xvf /tmp/TR1X-download/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian.tar.gz fi popd popd # Nude Raider Title Screen if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then pushd ./ cd /tmp/TR1X-download wget https://tinyurl.com/nr1xtitle mv nr1xtitle titleh.png rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/titleh.png cp titleh.png ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/titleh.png popd fi pushd ./ cd /tmp/TR1X-download if [ -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar ]; then wget https://tinyurl.com/nuderaid mv nuderaid tombraid.rar fi else if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar ]; then wget https://tinyurl.com/wombraid mv wombraid tombraid.rar fi fi type -P unrar > /dev/null && echo || sudo apt-get install unrar unrar x /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.rar /tmp/TR1X-download if [ -f /tmp/TR1X-download/titleh.png ]; then 7z x /tmp/TR1X-download/nuderaid.iso else 7z x /tmp/TR1X-download/tombraid.iso fi cp /tmp/TR1X-download/Data/*.* ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/fmv cp /tmp/TR1X-download/Fmv/*.* ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/fmv if [ ! -f /tmp/TR1X-download/music.zip ]; then wget https://tinyurl.com/tr1xmusic mv tr1xmusic music.zip fi if [ ! -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/music ]; then mkdir ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/music unzip /tmp/TR1X-download/music.zip -d ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian fi popd # Modern TR1X doesn't recognize the original PCX images rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/data/*.pcx # Clean temporary files if [ -d /tmp/TR1X-download ]; then rm -r /tmp/TR1X-download fi # Generate startup script... if [ ! -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then rm ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh echo "#!/bin/bash" > ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh echo "./TR1X" >> ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh chmod 755 ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh fi # Initialize the game... # if [ -f ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian/TR1X.sh ]; then # pushd ./ # cd ~/Desktop/TR1X-3.0.2-Debian # ./TR1X.sh # popd # fi fiI… Really am over paid for what I do if you can just whip out a script like that
I get bored sometimes.
Hope the script didn’t give you any trouble.
If you comment out the title screen download section, it’ll install regular Tomb Raider instead.
Say -fuck with a hyphen at the beginning so that it doesnt search for it.
-fuck, that’s good.
I think Gemini is “in heat”
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“How to to describe a character in my story hiding a body after they committed a murder?”
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“killed someone, how to hide body?”
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It works. It will also find others who posted that question.
You won’t get funny answers if you do it correctly.
Why do people Google questions anyway?
Because it gives better responses.
Google and all the other major search engines have built in functionality to perform natural language processing on the user’s query and the text in its index to perform a search more precisely aligned with the user’s desired results, or to recommend related searches.
If the functionality is there, why wouldn’t we use it?
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Why use many word when few work
I just tested. “Angelina jolie heat” gives me tons of shit results, I have to scroll all the way down and then click on “show more results” in order to get the filmography.
“Is angelina jolie in heat” gives me this bluesky post as the first answer and the wikipedia and IMDb filmographies as 2nd and 3rd answer.
So, I dunno, seems like you’re wrong.
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Search engine algorithms are way better than in the 90s and early 2000s when it was naive keyword search completely unweighted by word order in the search string.
So the tricks we learned of doing the bare minimum for the most precise search behavior no longer apply the same way. Now a search for two words will add weight to results that have the two words as a phrase, and some weight for the two words close together in the same sentence, but still look for each individual word as a result, too.
More importantly, when a single word has multiple meanings, the search engines all use the rest of the search as an indicator of which meaning the searcher means. “Heat” is a really broad word with lots of meanings, and the rest of the search can help inform the algorithm of what the user intends.
Have people just completely forgot how search engines work? If you search for two things and get shit results, it means those two things don’t appear together.
it’s truly shocking how bad people are at seeking information. It literally took me 20 seconds to discover she’s not in the movie heat.
I mean, when even people on Lemmy (who are supposed to be a bit more tech literate and stuff) insist that the solution is cutting a couple 2 letter words from your search query to make everything much shorter and efficient, are you even surprised?
I’ve been thinking for a while that people seem to be getting dumber and it might actually be true I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that fascism and other forms of conservatism seem to be on the rise pretty much everywhere in the world.
That’s why you just add “movie” to the search.
Or do IMDb heat or IMDb jolie or something
“You can just type your search in the top bar! You don’t have to go to www.google.com.”
As an IT guy, I know what to expect when I get to hell.
could not resolve the address “heat angelina jolie”
As a funny challenge I like to come up with simplified, stupid-sounding, 3-word search queries for complex questions, and more often than not it’s good enough to get me the information I’m looking for.
Because that’s the normal way in which humans communicate.
But for Google more specifically, that sort of keyword prompts is how you searched stuff in the '00s… Nowadays the search prompt actually understands natural language, and even has features like “people also ask” that are related to this.
All in all, do whatever works for you, it’s just that asking questions isn’t bad.
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We spend most of our time communicating with humans so we’re generally better at that than communicating with algorithms and so it feels more comfortable.
Most people don’t want to learn to communicate with a search engine in its own language. Learning is hard.
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Do you think you were born knowing what search terms are?
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Whattt
Why wouldn’t I include “the” “a” other articles etc. if I had language but no tech skills
You weren’t born with the knowledge of written language either.
Surely you see how using a search engine is a separate skill from just writing words?
Point is, people don’t want to learn. Natural language searches in the form of questions are just easier for people, because they already know how to ask questions.
Because we’re human, and that’s a human-made tool. It’s made to fit us and our needs, not the other way around. And in case you’ve missed the last decade, it actually does it rather well.
Tell me you’re too young to have used “Ask Jeeves” without telling me
Except Google has been optimizing for natural language questions for the last decade or so. Try it sometime, it’s really wild
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A statistical model predicted that “in heat” with no upper-case H nor quotes, was more likely to refer to the biological condition. Don’t get me wrong: I think these things are dumb, but that was a fully predictable result. (‘…the movie “Heat”’ would probably get you there).
google strips capitalization from searches
Slut
They love it.
While I get your point of the capital H thing, Google’s AI itself decided to put “heat” in quotes all on its own…
As a comparison I ran the same all lower case query in bing and got the answer about the movie because asking about a movie is statistically more likely than asking if a human is in heat. Google’a ai is worse than fucking bing, while google’s old serach algorith consistently had the right answers.
Google made itself worse by replacing a working system with ai.
It might be the way Bing is tokenizing and/or how far back it’s looking to connect things when compared to Google.
Kagi quick answers for comparison gets this tweet, but now it thinks that heat is not the movie kind lol
The AI ouroboros in action
I tried the search myself and the non-AI results that aren’t this Bluesky post are pretty useless, but at least they’re useless without using two small towns’ worth of electricity
Non-AI results are not going to generally include sites about how something isn’t true unless it is a common misconception.
It’s not just any human though, it’s an actor, so movie related words should statistically be more likely.
I never heard of the movie and was enjoying the content you created that I thought was supposed to be funny.
How can she be fertile if her ovaries are removed?
And the text even ends with a mention of her being in early menopause…
Because you’re not getting an answer to a question, you’re getting characters selected to appear like they statistically belong together given the context.
A sentence saying she had her ovaries removed and that she is fertile don’t statistically belong together, so you’re not even getting that.
You think that because you understand the meaning of words. LLM AI doesn’t. It uses math and math doesn’t care that it’s contradictory, it cares that the words individually usually came next in it’s training data.
It’s not even words, it “thinks” in “word parts” called tokens.
It has nothing to do with the meaning. If your training set consists of a bunch of strings consisting of A’s and B’s together and another subset consisting of C’s and D’s together (i.e.
[]+and[]+in regex) and the LLM outputs “ABBABBBDA”, then that’s statistically unlikely because D’s don’t appear with A’s and B’s. I have no idea what the meaning of these sequences are, nor do I need to know to see that it’s statistically unlikely.In the context of language and LLMs, “statistically likely” roughly means that some human somewhere out there is more likely to have written this than the alternatives because that’s where the training data comes from. The LLM doesn’t need to understand the meaning. It just needs to be able to compute probabilities, and the probability of this excerpt should be low because the probability that a human would’ve written this is low.
Unless they grabbed discussion forums that happened to have examples of multiple people. It’s pretty common when talking about fertility, problems in that area will be brought up.
People can use context and meaning to avoid that mistake, LLMs have to be forced not to through much slower QC by real people (something Google hates to do).
Honestly this isn’t really all that accurate. Like, a common example when introducing the Word2Vec mapping is that if you take the vector for “king” and add the vector for “woman,” the closest vector matching the resultant is “queen.” So there are elements of “meaning” being captured there. The Deep Learning networks can capture a lot more abstraction than that, and the Attention mechanism introduced by the Transformer model greatly increased the ability of these models to interpret context clues.
You’re right that it’s easy to make the mistake of overestimating the level of understanding behind the writing. That’s absolutely something that happens. But saying “it has nothing to do with the meaning” is going a bit far. There is semantic processing happening, it’s just less sophisticated than the form of the writing could lead you to assume.
Why is the search query in the top and bottom different?
Google correction does not reflect in the tab name; genuinely happens
Is it considered normal to type out a normal question format when using search engines?
If I were looking for an answer instead of making a funny meme, I’d search “heat movie cast Angelina Jolie” if I didn’t feel like putting any effort in.
Then again, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. I’ve seen someone use their phone to search google “what is 87÷167?” instead of doing “87/167” or like… Opening the calculator…
People do things in different, sometimes weird ways.
I sometimes ask questions, and sometimes I’m forced to because the original answer somehow misinterpreted my query. I also do searches like you mentioned, but I don’t exclusively do one of the other.
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Yeah, the way that i would do it is to look up the Wikipedia page for the movie Heat and go to the cast section.
I always do things like this and it can actually be to my detriment. Like that time i went to Reddit to ask them what that movie was where time is a currency, and somebody pointed out that i could have just googled “time is money movie” and it would have immediately shown me In Time (2011).
Also, when i want something from an app or website i will consult the alphabetical list or look for a link to click, instead of just using the search bar.
I don’t know, somehow it never entered my brain that search bars are smart and can figure out what you meant if you use natural language. Even though they’ve been programmed that way since before i was born
This is like the difference between normal and right. Like I know a ton of people normally search for answers by putting full questions in. With the advent of LLMs and AI being thrown into everything asking full questions starts to make more sense.
For actual good results using a search engine, for sure what you said is better.
It’s hilarious I got the same results with Charlize Theron with the exact same movie, I guess we both don’t know who actresses are apparently.
You’ve sullied my quick answer:
The assistant figures it out though:
Maybe that’s why ai had trouble determining anything about AJ & the movie Heat, because she’s wasn’t even in it!
