Then Columbia put 50% tariffs on the US.
Love it.
Lol. They caved.
The US caved actually, Petro point was that the deportees werent treated like garbage.
You missed the point where the people were cuffed the whole flight, were dehydrated and transported in military planes like cattle. That’s why those planes were rejected.
The president send his own jet to get these people back because they are people not cattle.
So he saw these people were transported like cattle, dehydrated and mistreated, and instead of letting them get off the planes, he’s sent them back in those same planes so he can retrieve them with normal planes?
Unless I am missing something, I feel like you’d want those people to not fly in a plane like that again.
Either the plane didn’t take off in the first place, case in which rejecting it would make sense.
Or those planes landed in Colombia, then sent back so they can be brought in proper planes, extending the suffering for no reason.
The planes (there were two) landed in Brasil. I don’t know if that’s where they came from in the first place.
A note: Usually these people are brought back using normal commercial flights. Only this time they used military planes.
I see. I thought they landed in Colombia but were sent back to the U.S.
Thank you for the clarification
Cool, more tariffs to punish…us?
His base see it as him punishing Columbia and they’ll later be surprised at how much some things cost and blame liberals for it.
You’re behind the news. Colombia caved within minutes. No tariffs. The idea was to push them to take their citizens back, and it worked.
It was never about not accepting them. It was about them being treated with human dignity on the way there.
Once again the orange toddler throws a tantrum and gets his way.
His cult is right about one thing - he gets shit done. It’s horrible shit, but he gets it done.
If you count spreading shit all over the walls getting stuff done then sure. Personally, I think he is just making a smelly mess.
Right now it seems he’s getting anything he wants. (gestures at OP) I hope there’s an end to that, but until then, yeah, I must angrily conclude, dude gets shit done. (Using the most reprehensible methods, and with shitty outcomes, but that’s what his base voted for, so I’m quite sure they have few complaints right now.)
And I will keep pointing out that getting shit done is not fucking shit up and making things worse. That is just making a shitty mess.
I don’t care for the opinions of his supporters mainly because they have no real opinions. One Trumper I ran into today said good thing Drump is a making Federal workers go back to work because they are waiting on their SSD determination.
You can’t make this level of brain dead up.
New article say Columbia let planes in. Short no.
Viva Colombia
“Criminals they forced into the United States” = “Invasion”
“Repatriation” != “Deportation”
Repatriation is what happens when you return a POW to their country of origin. Deportation is when you return a criminal to their country of origin.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system. They can be held indefinitely without charges, or returned to their country of origin, without judicial oversight. Since deportation is a judicial process, POWs are not subject to deportation.
POWs are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of US law; Trump is arguing that the children of “invader-immigrants” can’t be citizens.
POWs are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
That’s… Not true.
POWs do not need to be charged with a crime. Indeed, under international treaties and laws governing armed conflict, POWs generally can’t be criminally charged for simply participating in hostilities.
They can be held without charge until the conclusion of hostilities. They are not entitled to the protections afforded to the accused, because they are not accused. They are not entitled to access to the criminal justice system.
The term repatriation is not in any way exclusive to POWs. It was, for example, used extensively during COVID when talking about voluntary repatriation of expats to their home countries.
True. I should have been more clear: Deportation requires the involvement of the judicial branch. Repatriation has no such requirement. “Repatriation” is a more generic term for returning to one’s country of origin.
I did not mean to suggest that “repatriation” was exclusive to POWs, and I apologize if I gave that impression. I meant to distinguish between judicial and non-judicial.
illegal Criminals
As opposed to the legal kind.
He’s the president of the United States
Who? An illegal criminal?
HereBeter is saying that trump is a legal criminal… you know, since he has been found guilty of many crimes, yet hasn’t had to have any consequences.
That would be Wall Street
E.g. donald trump, or are you disagree that he is a legal criminal, according to his sentence. Like, a criminal yes, but we don’t judge you, because clearly not everyone is the same in front of the law, apparently.
Man, I’d love to meet the man, just so I could tell him to fuck off and die.
A lot of these actually are criminals why should we have to keep them?
actually are criminals
Where was this disdain for criminals at voting time?
Yeah, why shouldn’t we send all Republicans to another country? Or how about those criminals guilty of being Jewish, or black, or gay? Or how about the crime of “looking too Mexican,” like the US did to US citizens during Operations Wetback 1 & 2.
Also, love how you even say “some of them are criminals,” not all of them. Meaning that you’re okay with gathering up some amount of innocent people and sending them to a different country with nothing more than the clothes on their backs.
And let’s get this clear, sending someone back to their “home” country without a plan or an actual home to go to should be a criminal act. These people are often productive members of US society who pay more taxes than Aotus. They already have homes and family in the US.
This is beyond despicable and crosses into the the realm of pure evil.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals (not political crimes). The problem is that it isn’t the cartel members and bank robbers who get rounded up when a factory is raided. And the mother fleeing persecution is treated the same as the drug kingpin.
You’re asssuming they got mothers on this specific flight? I’ve seen nothing about innocents in this flight being posted, are these not straight up criminals on this flight? Can you show me articles I cant find any
What crimes? Criminal conrains everyone from movie pirates to ocean pirates.
Basically nobody opposes deporting actual criminals
Deportation as a mechanism of punishment for state and federal crimes is generally bad policy. It is excessively draconian (it effectively renders them homeless, unemployed, and indefinitely denied their family and friends for… what? Too many parking tickets? Working construction without a license? Illegally camping?) for some. And entirely too lenient (deporting hardened criminals and cartel leaders like serial rapists or murderers effectively guarantees their release in states that can’t afford to jail them) for others.
That’s why we’ll often extradite gang leaders into the US from overseas, when the crimes are severe enough. Its also why “sanctuary cities” regularly look the other way for petty offenses in order to avoid the mass economic disruption of ICE interference in municipal matters.
Injecting immigration penalties into the civil justice system fucks with all the basic functions of local courts and prosecutors. It raises the stakes on minor offenses and gives the worst offenders a get-out-of-jail-free card.
All that is assuming you even have somewhere to send undocumented criminals. For people who are functionally stateless - migrants who came over as children without papers, refugees from countries that cannot repatriate them or effectively no longer exist, Native Americans who the Feds don’t want to recognize as legal US residents - the ability to deport is little more than Penal Transportation. Nevermind how it routinely violates the 5th and 8th amendment, it mostly just means bribing a small, bankrupt satrap of the US to accept planeloads of random people, often without so much as a proper conviction.
it effectively renders them homeless, unemployed, and indefinitely denied their family and friends for… what? Too many parking tickets? Working construction without a license? Illegally camping?
the u, s and a are actually deporting people over misdemeanors?
Yes.
Because we’re not entitled to force some other country to take them!
WTF did you think the answer was‽
It’s really simple if you have a basic, or very tiny, ability to think about it for two seconds. Let’s see if I can help. Criminals being deported are a huge problem for any receiving county, you see, they often don’t have any legal pretext to imprison or arrest them, if they committed crimes in anther nation, it’s unlikely the can collect evidence, or call witnesses to a legal process, also, it’s quite rare to have laws that apply to actions that occurred outside all legaly boundaries. It’s it illegal if an American goes to a county they don’t have documentation to be in, then commit crimes outside the US against other people without any way for the US to detect or prove these actions? So if Colombia has an American who kills dozens of people in their country, and is charged and sentanced to life without parole, and then the decide YEARS after the fact to put them on a plane to LAX and throw them off the plane with no other effort, do you want to let that plane land? That’s fucking insane. The solution to this problem already exists. Instead of being a fascist stupid fuck, you can create an extradition process where we can accept the Colombian legal process and transfer them ourselves to a US prison without dumping serial killers at an airport on their own.
Being a threatening authoritarian isn’t solving this problem, and thinking every country in the world will simply accept people who have been convicted an sentanced in another nation is fucking stupid. And thinking they can’t manage to exist outside US economic good will it’s also stupid. If he think burning every ally in Latin America is going to hurt them more than us, he’s as dumb as everyone already knows.
Ah yes, because criminals are subhumans who should be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. And if we can’t take the trash out back like we should we can at least make it not our problem and make sure the cockroaches aren’t in our backyard. That’s what you’re saying right?
We don’t actually know what is going on. We had a system that favored protections for people presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Now Trump is moving so fast with a process that is not transparent and a rhetoric that is hostile and unsympathetic towards all immigrants. People are understandably suspicious that the immigrants were given a fair chance to defend their legal presence in the USA.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
Shit, I won’t be surprised when legal us born citizens get deported in a mix up.
They’re already rounding up native Americans in these groups. It’s only a matter of time until they start deporting randomly to other countries because ICE was already an incompetent organization and has done that previously numerous times, speeding things up just means more fuckups. Which is of course, the plan. Because it’s not about illegals, or immigrants, it’s about non-whites.
Stop using that label as an excuse to treat people as subhuman.
The state is rounding up people en masse and shipping them off to a foreign country. This process took a week. Due process is not present. This is some straight-up Nazi shit, and if you can’t at least mutter “fuck that,” then please shut up.
Or, like a late friend put it: May lightning strike him when he sits on the shitter.
We can only hope.
Well, there goes Columbian coffee and bananas!
Nope, Colombia caved within minutes.
Kind of glad I panic-bought ground Columbian coffee and froze it. Not that that’s great, but better than nothing.
But why would you buy ground? A grinder is like $10. You can grind 3-4 days at a time if you don’t like cleaning.
It was on sale. I have a grinder.
Colombian
I mean … they can still come in, they are just 25% more expensive for Americans
Coffee is already getting more expensive, I’m assuming everywhere :/
it is. coffee producing regions all over the world are suffering the effects of global warming.
more. middle-men gonna middle on that 25%.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Not like Colombia doesn’t already have a rich history of smuggling high-demand US contraband over the border, but it will be weird to start getting all my coffee shipped by way of Langley.
Even weirder when they start packing coffee in cocaine to throw off the dogs.
Langley
deep, deep burn. CIA flights imminent.
The best middle-men in this situation are the ones sidestepping the tariffs entirely.
Can’t wait to get me some bootleg coffee beans
You don’t understand, tariff is promoting the emergence of American made alternative, by next week you will find American grown coffee and bananas in the supermarket.
🤣
And 50% more later on :)
y cocaina amigo.
Ooo boy Don Jrs gonna have a hard time with this one
Lol I thought the same thing
Maybe Elon will spot him
Elon’s probably on Krokodil
Columbia no like they president?
Trump said it so…
They probably love him.
So his default for Canada is this energy measure?
Go fuck your self trump.
Clown gonna clown
To be clear, Colombia already backed down and accepted all the demands. Which is unfortunate but not surprising. Starting to get “Just give Hitler what he wants and he’ll stop” vibes. Surprised folks didn’t learn their lesson…
Maybe the US should take back the US members of ISIS that have been left (along with the people from the other nations that joined ISIS) for the Kurds to keep.
Well you see, we have long and storied history of fucking over the Kurds. You wouldn’t want to tarnish that record would you?
The number of people here misspelling Colombia…
Yeesh, I started it in the post. Corrected.
As a pedantic lover of the written word, I sense your pain.
Collumnbya
Holy shit you weren’t kidding.
German spelling is Kolumbien, it might have something to do with that.
It’s likely because there are a lot of things named Columbia in the US. District of Columbia, Columbia South Carolina, Columbia River, Columbia University, the space shuttle Columbia, and in Canada British Columbia.
