I want to figure out which phrases will pop MAGAs like this.
So Biden won in 2020, righr?
Why mention Taiwan when you hit him with Tiananmen Square?
Not Chinese? Pour one out for the students at Tiananmen Square.
I want to visit west Taiwan one day, or as some people call it: “China”.
OG China. It’s just geographicaly inconvenienced at the moment, but it doesn’t mind.
“Greater territory of Taiwan”
The rebel-occupied territories
If you respect China, you’re a piece of shit. Taiwan deserves independence, Hong Kong does too, so does Tibet, and so does East Turkestan.
This is helping me filter people. These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I eat ass.
If you respect China
China as a country, a people and a culture deserve respect. The current power structure doesn’t.
This, it’s important never to misdirect hate on what countries inherently give back to the world
They literally can’t complain…
I’m coming from a thread where people expressed fear to act and protest because they are killed in the act, get shot on their faces, literally. It’s in the graph.
my favorite part of your statement is how hard it is to tell if you’re talking about tiananmen or tulsa.
Or Paris
Or what?
The social credit system
This guy still believes in the ganda
Lmao. The one that doesn’t exist?
Holy fuck! Chinese propaganda bots on Lemmy? Are you guys uninformed, or deliberately spreading misinformation?
it doesnt take much searching to find out it does…
if you want to lie, at least be competent about it
That is a fascinating graph indeed. Ever wondered why official rape rates can be much higher in very progressive countries than in ultra-convservative countries where women have few rights, even if rape is illegal there? Hint: It is not because there are necessarily more rapes.
Lmao
No arguments, I see.
I’m waiting for an argument against my data.
Did you think your comment was worthy of rebuttal, lmfao?
So no argument, except for “your argument does not count because I say so”. Ok. .ml style.
It certainly highlights a level of self-denial.
Over a billion people all just so in denial.
No country is perfect and that graph is highlighting who’s allowed to say that about their own country.
That’s what propaganda does. China isn’t a free democracy.
I’m sure you know better than the actual Chinese people polled. Thanks for setting the record straight.
and when North Koreans say the Kim gang are great, we should believe them.
Some times it takes an outsider to see the problems, and I’m not alone in seeing massive democratic problems in China. You don’t know who participated in that poll (and neither do I) was it random people on the street or pro party people? With the amount of surveillance in China, I probably would think twice before speaking against the party.
The communist party has the sole power in China, while other parties technically are legal they haven’t got any power higher than city/regional level.
And then there’s the corruption, they have massive problems with that.
And before you go “hurr durr other countries bad” yes other countries do have problems and some may be worse than China, but that doesn’t legitimise Chinas government.
I see what you’re getting at but you only need to glance at the US to know that a lot of citizens of a country do NOT know WTF they’re talking about when it comes to their leadership.
Your point is that China is exceptionally nationalistic? Based on a subjective study. Nice hard facts there. What’s really awesome is that the source is partnered with Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. An organization explicitly aiming to distance Taiwan from China and strengthen it as a independent democratic government.
Info from 2003-2016 saying the population of China is extremely nationalistic… Again… what’s your point?
Keep thinking buddy, you’ll figure it out eventually.
What a good way to convey your point.
These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I mean, so did almost literally everyone else to some degree, unless they went extinct as hunter-gatherers. If that’s your disqualifier, you need to go live with the penguins in Antarctica.
The argument isn’t that Tibet once had slavery at some point in it’s history, but that Tibet had slavery up until the PRC ended it. There are no states in the modern day that practice slavery or serfdom in a comparable way (you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom). Slave states do not have the right to exist, and any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves. That’s not an unreasonable standard, it’s a standard that exists today.
I dunno. A lot of societies are getting away with severe bonded servitude on the premise it’s not as bad as the North-Atlantic slave trade.
Considering the US’ effort to keep slavery going with extra steps continuing to this day and getting worse, I’m eager to hold accountable every society that tries.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
If you believe that’s objectively true then I suspect you need to ask yourself “why aren’t governments everywhere banding together to obliterate the actual slavery going on inside their borders?”
Those discord user account compromises and social media accounts asking for gift cards to avoid releasing your personal whatever aren’t legitimate businesses and the people performing those actions for them are not free to quit or even leave the buildimg they “work” in.
Okay, you could maybe argue that’s one-off tourist kidnapping by criminal parties at scale, but then we have blood diamonds. How is it they still exist?
Vegas hotels getting regular visits from cops as the drugs wear off early and the occasional girl escapes from the room she’s being held in, the fact that the superbowl is the world’s largest human trafficking conference, large portions of haiti under the current regime, slavery is EVERYWHERE and whoever is feeding you that line and placing the onus at a governmental policy level is trying to distract you from reality and hand-wave away anything that doesn’t line up with their own agenda.
The world banded rogether to eliminate CFC’s because of the ozone hole.
It’s clear we CAN all cooperate, so I posit you should be asking yourself: when reality doesn’t line up with the convenient point-proving “statements of fact” someone is pushing your direction, what does someone stand to gain from misrepresenting reality with quotable sound bytes?
(you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom)
Human trafficking is illegal everywhere. It still happens, but does so in the shadows. If a nation can just accuse another of not doing enough to combat human trafficking, that’s subjective by how much is “enough,” and the scope of it is hard to prove in an objective and indisputable way. Any nation could accuse any other nation and it would be a free pass whenever anyone wanted to go to war.
I’m talking about having an official stance of legalized chattel slavery or serfdom.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
This one doesn’t ring well. It is one thing if the oppressed people themselves asked for help, but otherwise its just an invasion. No nation has a ‘right’ to free slaves.
The PRC had considerable help from Tibetan serfs. I know that was true. The communists didn’t just all come from China.
What population of slaves in history has not welcomed their liberators? What population of slaves in history has been permitted to petition someone to come free them?
Wat
TAIWAN NUMBER ONE
Fuk you, Western pig
That doesn’t mean they’re from China. They might just be from lemmy.ml . 😏
Tankies can come from anywhere.
Which is an odd thing to say now because of how much US and other western nationalist parties went from hating the Commies to dick riding Russia and being bipolar on China.
I always find it to be the ultimate irony that .ml is blocked in China.
Little spez puts in work parroting their state propaganda and they don’t like him either.
Wait, are you saying they block the lemmy instance, or do they block the .ml TLD altogether?
I’m not sure how accurate this site is though.
We need to test this on lemmygrad.ml
haha, oh wow.
The anarchist instance is not blocked either LMAO
(If that site is accurate)
Very
This ip probably sits outside the firewall.
I’m not sure what those mean.
I suppose they’ve used a proxy / VPN in China to test whether the site is really not reachable from there.
What are the chances the Chinese are technology savvy enough to figure out it’s a VPN?
That explains why I don’t seem to notice many Chinese trolls here. Chinese trolls are more direct and less subtle. They are always reactionary to comments and their responses to criticisms are always PR-sounding. At least that’s my experience in Reddit.
Russian trolls, meanwhile, I have to say they are more clever because they always pretend to be from another country. But with the flailing invasion of Ukraine, they have become increasingly less subtle than before and don’t even hide it.
When they’re from China they’re trolls, lmao?
Free Tibet
Already done, you missed the party!
Under Chinese control is not free
Liberals become like blood and soil nationalists for ethnic groups contained within the countries of their state’s enemies, but then dress it up as decolonization. You don’t want Tibetans to be free, or Tatars, Uyghurs, Kurds, or any of those ethnic groups conveniently only in Russia, or China, or Iran.
It’s obvious that you have ulterior motives.
What you are actually insinuating when you say things like that, is that the US or NATO or whatever should go in and support the separatist faction to balkanize those countries and weaken them. Like the neocolonialist playbook.
Or a more subtle variation on that where instead of saying we all should outright support insurrection/regime change in [Country opposing Western imperialism] you say that we shouldn’t support them against US/NATO aggression because they have [insert internal issue] and that makes them deserve it, or that they’re both bad so don’t support either side.
On the off chance you don’t want that, ask yourself: what can you actually do to help [issue] in [China, Russia, Iran, DPRK, etc.]? And if you live in the West, the answer is:
Almost nothing, those problems have to be solved by people over there, but you can help, by protecting them against your terrorist-ass government.
Well they used to be slaves, then China freed them, so yeah I’d say Tibet is pretty God damn free, now, lmfao.
You don’t have to like or respect the lackey you hire to get a job done.
Basically they are only for outside propaganda. They dont want their psy ops become known for inlanders.
Most people use a VPN in china
Truly, a sign of a free nation.
Free from Facebook, palantir, and NSA surveillance, sure
No one’s protecting the US either here. I think most people here agree that the US, China, and Russia all suck currently and are all trying to control the narrative in multiple countries, corrupting them as well.
You don’t need to align yourself with another country to see that one sucks.
K but one is the global superpower lol.
Duuur good thing they don’t have their own surveillance and social media companies that do the exact same things.
So stupid it hurts.
Yeah but if a company is caught fucking up they face actual consequences and not record profits lol. Those companies also can’t influence government policy, rather the government tells the company its limits on surveillance and data retention.
I mean, durrr
Companies get away with all kinds of shit in China. You really have no fucking clue.
Man, came here looking for them. Little disappointed.
You just didn’t wait long enough. One lemmy.ml user (emphasis on “ml”) posted in this thread just a few minutes ago.
Found him
Yeah
Damn. I know this is a shitpost (and a funny one) but this is actually a neat strategy as a rough filter for bad people, like on dating sites or such.
I think I’ll start using this. Thank you OP! <3It’s a racist shitpost. Doing this to people you think are Chinese is totally not an acceptable thing to do at all. This is like a blatantly racist meme, regardless of your position on tankies, like they even made them type with broken English. The Chinese scammer that “fuk you.”
It also insinuates that Asian people are aligned politically with the country of their origin, which is like classic anti-Asian racism.
Alright then. Fuck me, I guess.
Just so you know, I have zero tolerance for racism online or offline. I’ve ended relationships because of stupid, racist jokes which are unfortunately really common in my country. I insult people to the extreme irl when making those jokes.
But…I guess I was racist all along. I’m sorry.But also, I might recommend you to maybe not insult people to the extreme when defending someone from a racist remark. White people making a scene to prove that they’re not racist can be really embarrassing to everyone involved.
The difference is between genuine protectiveness and trying to prove that you’re not racist, you shouldn’t be doing the latter.
Just avoid doing stuff like this IRL, a single comment online doesn’t really matter.
Put the anti douchebag statement at the top:
“Trans rights are human rights. Free Palestine. Systemic racism exists. Feminism benefit everyone. No war but class war.”
Saves a lot of time.
I saw one where they asked the other person to say Taiwan is an independent nation and to say (type) the words Winnie the Pooh, and they wouldn’t. That’ll do it.
OTOH, if I was traveling to China every so often, I would likely be also cautious with writing such things. For a similar reason I likely shouldn’t enter the US any time soon.
“bad people” lmfao.
Literally 12
I love that you have a personal go-to insult and it’s calling people 12-year-olds. It’s cute. Wholesome even. Keep it up.
Thanks for the important contribution to the discussion 👍
Don’t mention it, that’s what this community desperately needs after all.
Fair, lol
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Oh shit, am I one of the bad people you were talking about!? Tell your parents!
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Ah shit, you are actually really young. Sorry for being so confrontational, but good guys and bad guys is a very naive way to view the world.
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Of course, just sick of hearing westerners calling China the bad guy when it’s objectively America who’s been destabilizing the globe for 80 years, lol
Yes, 20 day old .ml account.
You are indeed one of the imperialist regime worshippers this post is talking about.
Lmao China is imperialist for wanting to reunify with a country that also calls itself China? What are you smoking?
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How about with rice?
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That’s a meme I haven’t heard in long time…
I R8
I use this strategy on my dating profile as well to weed these people out 🤣
Maybe I’ll start asking the spam calls this
I don’t think any peasant worker in The Philippines has strong opinions either way.
Kashmere belongs to Pakistan?
Taiwan doesn’t even think Taiwan is a country?
1w old clanker account vibes.
Ah, I just saw it! You’re substituting a capital I for a lowercase l. Clever bot. Or ban evasion. Either way, not a great look.
EDIT: it’s i vs L, to make it more visible
There are a lot of young
.mlaccouns with no posts and just comments. Some with more comments than me I much less time.Nah I explained it in another comment, but I forgot the password and I’m not giving out my email for a recovery, lol.
Ah, that’s fine. Still, there’s no way for one to verify that your account isn’t 1.5w old. Not that it matters much.
The visually matching l and I did trigger the scam spider-sense in me though, I’d have probably not chosen a username like that, but it could be valid.
No worries
Weird, if I click your username, I see a 1.5w old account, but when I click your link, I see a 4mo old account.
What do you mean?
Taiwan calls itself the real China, lol.
They stopped that a couple years ago iirc
Oh yeah?
The constitution still claims that they’re China, but they can’t change that claim in the constitution because China doesn’t want them to. China doesn’t want Taiwan to exist as a independent country, and changing that in the constitution would very likely provoke military attack from China.
What the president and their diplomats have been doing these years, is just avoiding claming either way, but acting like they are indeed an independent country named Taiwan.
China wanting anything other than peaceful reunification is blatant cia propaganda Imo.
Nonsensical, peaceful reunification would imply they would chose it. China denies they are even separate.
Where?
Over there
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Now that’s a shitpost.
Oink!!
.world memes be like
There’s also the trope of Asian people being politically aligned with the country they (or their ancestors) came from and being eternally foreign.
.ml memes be like:
Uyghurs deserve to be genocided because terrorism.
Or
Ukraine are nazis and deserve to be genocided by Russia.
While somehow still saying democrats are the genociders.
Show us an example of someone saying anyone deserves to be genocided, then.
How can I when you’re all genocide denialists?
How about you show me a .ml member defend Ukrainians or Uyghurs?
No, no, I mean actual proof. Like quote it and link it. Go ahead, should be super easy if it’s so prevalent and literally every single one of us do it.
I think you might be having issues comprehending my last comment so I’ll leave you to it so you can work it out.
Uhh, no I totally understood it, you’re too cowardly, lazy, or stupid to back up your own statement, lol.
Show us an example of someone saying anyone deserves to be genocided, then.
It’s a very simple request, is English not your first language?
Yeah I’m pretty sure there’s still comprehension issues here on your end.
Show us an account that wasn’t made in the last month.
What do you mean?
Youre racist now
Impossible
I mean that the fake texts with intentionally bad spelling stereotyping Chinese people acting like a racist charicature is similar to the racial charicatures of the 1800s, was that unclear?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan
Get out of here.
The texts werent even a caricature. Your claims of racial stereotyping are absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan
Get out of here.
Did you read that article you’re linking to? Did you notice how many UN member states actually recognize the Republic of China (Taiwan) as a country? Eleven.
For comparison, a lot of people in the United States and Europe would confidently tell you that Palestine is definitely not a country, but it is actually recognized as one by 157 of the 193 members of the UN.
Thats why its a joke to us here in the states where the common sentiment is with the rebellious colony breaking away from its imperialist roots.
Id sooner block you than get in to a discussion about Palestine with you even knowing I agree Palestine should have statehood from the onset.
I’m not sure how that has anything to do with anything I said.
The texts werent even a character. Your claims of racial stereotyping are absurd.
Lmao. Yes, the Chinese scammer breaking character at the mention of Taiwan to say “Fuk you,” definitely not a charicature or stereotype and it’s totally absurd to suggest it.
What’s next? Just start making jokes like full on, “Me so horny, me love you long time?”
Do you acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent country?
What do you mean? Taiwan is independent for all intents and purposes, but is not, nor if I’m not mistaken does it claim to be, formally an independent country. I acknowledge that reality, yes.
Taiwan is an independent country.
Taiwan, officially the Republic of China (ROC) is a country in East Asia
The joke is expressedly about china not accepting taiwan as a country.
Fuk you, .ml pig. <— satire demonstrating anyone can be hateful in this way.
No, it’s not about “China” not accepting Taiwan as a country, because “China” does not typically engage in text messages, seeing as it’s not a person.
It’s about a stereotypical Chinese person acting and speaking in a way that the person who created the fake texts decided to make them. Which is, first trying to scam people, then being so triggered by the mention of Taiwan that they break character, then misspelling a word in a stereotypical way.
Taiwan is just how you justify the rest of it to yourself.
Not typically but it does sometimes…
You dont understand jokes and certainly arent as intelligent as you wish you were.
But they didn’t have texts in the 1800s and that’s a political cartoon used to support the Chinese exclusionary act. I think you may be confused. I take it you’re a fan of Taiwan and its sovereignty then?
But they didn’t have texts in the 1800s
Yes, this is what makes it a joke. Because the only difference is the format that’s changed, while the racial sensibilities are about the same.
Chinese exclusionary act not anti scamming propaganda.
Hey now, if you get to define your racist charicature in your own terms, don’t you think you should let them do so to? I’m sure the Workingmen’s Party of California would say that it’s just “anti-capitalist” propaganda, the capitalists being the ones who let those damn Chinese come in and take our jobs.
Of course, it’s bullshit in both cases.
I take it you’re a fan of Taiwan and its sovereignty then?
What does Taiwan have to do with anything?
Is English your first language?
Yes.
“charicature” isn’t a word. You’re looking for caricature and not only can you not spell it but you clearly don’t know what it means. You posted a racist caricature, I did not. Everything else you’ve said is also false. Me asking “what do you mean” is bait and I figured you’d say dumb enough shit to embarrass yourself/.ml. congratulations, ya dun it.
