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For people who are mad about voting for him, why did you do it? His first term confirmed that Trump is completely serious about what he says, it’s not a joke or pandering, he’s actually what he potrays himself as. He sits around the White House shitting his pants and demanding blow jobs.
Which will make thier votes for him this November all the more inexplicable.
If you were duped in by the anti-war message after his first term even, I mean, come on. You are pretty slow.
And really, that can’t be helped. They can vote and drive and buy guns and make families and everything. We know for a fact that there’s a third or so of our population that are absolutely intellectually impaired.
Then, another large portion are ignorant, they act impulsively and have wishful thinking, even if they’re pretty smart. They just think that they “know” things, while not having the faintest idea… these are usually of the religious variety.
Another quite significant portion have mental illness that influences their reality, like narcissistic and sociopathic and depressive features.
Then, another large portion are alcoholics and drug addicts. This is often paired with another feature
They’re all just walking around and driving cars and on the bus and the train and planes, they are everywhere and any one of them can do anything at any time. Who knows why they voted for who? They don’t even know. it’s amazing that we can make it through the day, really
Trump promised he was going to do a whole bunch of incredibly controversial stuff, most of which isn’t done due to extensive proof that it’s a bad idea.
… then they’re somehow surprised it went poorly?
It’s the anti-intellectual plague that continues to drag us down, e.g. “The experts are pretentious; I trust my Facebook friends more.”
ITT: People act smug about Gen-Z when in fact 54% of them voted Harris… And OLDER WHITE MEN were Trump’s biggest voting block once again.
…and that’s a repeating pattern for Republicans. Stop letting old white men off the hook just because it’s more “expected” for them to be shit.
What’s more blaming young people is just a way to get MILLENNIALS to BECOME rightwing/old in their opinions.
Gen-Z are fine they’re just out there with no idea, trying shit. Like every generation has to in order to find themselves.
I remember when, to find myself, I needed to look at and then step into a bear trap.
Old White men are stupid and at fault, so is some large proportion of Gen Z, and probably others. If they have regret, fuck all of them. Next time do your homework, this was all knowable in advance. Welcome to the “school of hard knocks” (hurr durr), better known in 2026 as the school of FAFO.
The fact that only 54% voted for Harris is the reason why Gen-Z gets so much hate.
Everybody expects old white men to vote Conservative. Meanwhile Gen-Z was born into the era of ubiquitous internet access. They’ve had access to the entire world’s knowledge from the very moment they learned to read. So what’s their excuse? They didn’t have to just blindly follow whatever they told you to believe on the TV and in the newspaper, they’ve had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.
Therefore it is mind-blowing to me that a whopping forty six percent of them could manage to be this ignorant and dumb, when all they gotta do is pull out their always-online pocket computer and read to easily figure out that MAGA is completely and utterly full of shit.
Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that’s why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.
they’ve had access to cold, hard facts from the very beginning.
That’s not how algorithmic social media, which is where they source all their “facts” from, works. Gen Z is not a generation that goes out and researches things; they are spoon-fed information (true or false) in bite-sized pieces which they use to piece together a basic world view that aligns with that of their tribe. They are more concerned with being seen to be good or smart by their peers, another product of being raised by algorithmic social media, than they are with being educated on a topic or developing an independent opinion or thought. This is a generation that is notorious for its inability to focus or concentrate or anything, and that severely impairs its ability to think critically and deeply about issues.
Yeah, what most people have in their pockets is providing them access to a well-oiled propaganda machine. Maybe the people on Lemmy are on average less trusting of such things, but that’s not normal. The right picks and champions influencers nearly constantly. The Dems don’t have much success here.
Oh we’re just going to pretend the children should have been the parents? The youngest and most vulnerable to manipuation should have been the adults in the room.
You’re doing the EXACT thing I complained about.
Bottom line is that old white men at least had an excuse for ignorance at one point. Gen-Z never did. And that’s why they deserve the most criticism out of any voting-age generation IMO.
You simply haven’t made the case. Sorry, your argument is that more experience = a good excuse for ignorance? That first time voters should be the most expert… And that Internet access for young people, didn’t also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.
Did you just not notice how memes were used in the Trump campaigns?.. And then this whole idea that millennials and older just don’t have Internet access? WTF is wrong with you? How out of touch with reality are you?
STOP EXCUSING OLD WHITE MEN, UNLESS YOU WANT TO SEE MORE OLD WHITE MEN IN CHARGE.
…it’s not that difficult.
I think you completely missed the point. They’re not saying genz should be the adults in the room.
They’re surprised that a generation who never drew breath without the internet came of age without the wisdom they hypothesized such a life would avail.
You gotta understand: earlier generations couldn’t trivially verify things. Anyone they ever interacted with were the people like… On their street. Diversity of thought was informed by limited contact. The internet, at one point, appeared to promise a radical solution to both. The optimism for the future, as a result, was essentially unbounded.
It’s not fair to ask gen z to save anyone. I don’t think its what buddy was saying, but if it was, it was unfair.
I think buddy was coming to the very late realization that the optimism of the transformative nature of the internet was misplaced. The hypothesis just didn’t pan out. You can give a human for their entire lives the ability to get the answer to any question, verify anything they’re told, and meet and talk to people with diverse viewpoints that may challenge what they’re exposed to based on proximity…
… And ultimately they’re just about as dumb as anyone else.
And I get the impression that, more than anything else, is what makes them sad.
I still think raising the pre-internet era at all, and pointing towards people who live offline as if they’re a big demographic, is weak excuse making. The internet is 30 years old and we’re all on it.
But yeah, it doesn’t just solve everything… And nor will AI.
You’re 100% right. I never said they don’t have an excuse now, all I said is that they once did. I carefully worded my sentence for a reason.
Meanwhile Gen-Z never had an excuse for ignorance. That’s my point.
First time inexperienced voters, the young not known for taking life seriously or for having ever seen the reprocussions of their votes… Have no excuses? Really?
You’re still not making sense. You’re saying young people aren’t politically vulnerable, niave, or able to be manipulated when OF COURSE THEY ARE!
Like I said the first time, the pretense is:
That first time voters should be the most expert… And that Internet access for young people, didn’t also subject them to one of the biggest online propaganda campaigns ever seen.
And OLDER WHITE MEN were Trump’s biggest voting block once again.
white women
https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/
I prefer my .edu source which uses exit polling. Says 45% of women, 55% men. 57% whites (as a group).
EDIT: Your source uses teen vogue as it’s source, who uses this NYT article (which is again, exit polling). It’s closer to what I’m saying, white men were Trump’s biggest voting block: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html
Unpaywalled version: https://archive.is/GTeDy
It’s a shame idiots didn’t listen to those of us who said exactly what would happen. You fucked around. Now you found out. And in the meantime the rest of us got screwed. Gee, thanks.
As a non-American, I repeatedly got told to shut up and mind my own business when I complained about Trump. Well, he got elected and fucked the US, and fucked the rest of the world, and he’s threatening to invade my country so it turns out it was my business after all. Cheers for that.
They fucked around and we all found out.
It a shame they didn’t listen to Trump.
He said EXACTLY what he was going to do.
“I’m gonna run this country like one of my companies.”
Like a fascist dictator, right into the ground…
It is kind of funny how the US simultaneously exalts FREEDOM and tyranny. The tyranny being the private realm, where your boss has total control
Which is why we should be talking about “workplace democracy” instead of “socialism”.
He talks so much and said multiple conflicting things.
he talks so much and never says anything at all.
No, he lied and said he was going to stop all the wars and start no new ones. Kamala on the other hand, promised to have the most lethal military ever. Don’t you remember?
Except for literally everyone, no one warned them!
If we’re lucky, some of the “both sides” people might take note.
Ah, who am I kidding, they only listen to fascist propaganda.
(not that the establishment Dems don’t suck, mind, but still an order of magnitude better than the fucking fascists)
The unfortunate part of this is that even if the Dems got in, all this other bs would still be brewing until the gop got in power again anyway, and no one would be fighting as hard to establish a socialist movement right now.
That’s just about the only silver lining, at least more people can see the consequences of the systems they enable this way. Hopefully the admin doesn’t destroy the world first…
Ever consider the possibility fascism and socialism both suck?
The center is being squeezed by people suffering from internet brain rot on either side pushing for failed systems of the past. You’re getting a taste of why fascism sucks. Do you need to actually experience why socialism sucks for yourself rather than just reading a history book?
If you burn your hand on one burner on the stove do you assume that pressing it on another burner will make it better?
You can enact some socialist policies without become a socialist society.
Socialised healthcare and education is a no-brainer.
I’ll never understand how they could ignore literal millions of loved ones and trust a rich spoiled known scammer to change things for the better for them and not himself, on top of all of us explicitly saying he and republicans will purposely crash the economy and hurt innocent people for fun in the name of religion and conservatism.
People will belive anything if they want it,or fear it to be true.
Right, I know that intellectually. I’ll never understand it in my heart.
It’s not Trump they trust, it’s his misinformation machine. Manosphere for boys and trad wife content for girls. Andrew Tate evidently knows better than their own people.
Same reason capitalism persists.
But Harris wouldn’t support Palestine …
She WAS going to support Ukraine and now that’s fucked also.
Listen, I really really like puppies, and that guy doesn’t care about puppies at all, so I’m not voting for him.
What, you’re worried that the kill-all-puppies party is gonna win? Come on, they’re ridiculous, they’re not gonna make it, so I may as well vote for them just for the thrill of it.
I get it, I’m not an American so can’t vote for either. But I do wish my country would get rid of the first around the post system so my vote for the “I like puppies” party actually meant something. And people didn’t have to feel that they have to vote for the “kill shelters have the right to defend themselves” guy just to stop the “I hate puppies” guy.
The rest of us either fled or dug our heels in and prepared. The MAGA voters who regret their votes are welcome to sacrifice themselves to the frontlines
The MAGA voters who regret their votes are welcome to sacrifice themselves to the frontlines
Fascist statement.
“Hey idiot fucking listen to me”
Perhaps the case made to them wasn’t made in the most appealing way. Voting is actually about appetites, thus winning messages are more apetising.
People with no critical thinking skills vote the way they do because of their emotions. And that’s the problem. If more people voted based on logic and reason and the common good, we would never have been in this darkest timeline.
Yep, and I think Trump is particularly good at manipulating the emotions/apetites of his voter base.
You tired of winning yet?
The idea of winning is always going to be the more appetising idea.
The entire point of a campaign is to get votes…
2020 people held their noses and voted Biden, and the people running that geriatric puppet show used it to latch onto power and do whatever the fuck they want.
Jamie Harrison only knows how to take bribes from the wealthy, that’s why he lost to Lindsey Graham despite breaking fundraising efforts. As DNC chair from 2021 to 2025, he did what everyone expected him to do who knew who he was.
He raised a shit ton of money and lost an election because of not caring about anything else.
The real shame is uninformed people not understanding the DNC is just whatever the chair wants it to be, and when the chair changes you judge the organization by the current chair, not the one who fucked up and got fired
We have 2 choices. One is better. This discussion has now concluded.
As long as the US (or any other country for that matter) sees politics as something you only do every 4 years, nothing will change, or at least not to your advantage. Oligarchs have money, but have the numbers. Get involved locally, vote at every level you can, find who in your community has the same ideals as you, change small things first.
We have 2 choices
No. There infinite more. You just resign yourself to the fascist ones.
Americas would be better off if everyone took civics classes.
Or plain history. Repeating it is precisely why they can’t see choices C-Ω.
How has that strategy been working out for you? Oh you lost to an obvious fascist? Twice? Might want to reopen the file and take another swing, lol.
Might be aggressive stubborn people like you are the problem
In other countries the candidates seek popularity, this is a weird place where there was only ever one correct choice, between two people who are absolutely disgusted by you, and will do as much harm as they are allowed to do, but one is clearly an idiot. The other was selected, not by a democratic process but by a machine, and then the corporate media says they’re the most electable, despite there being zero evidence of this.
We were about to make history by electing the first president who didn’t participate in a primary. She was anointed. Just this once, we gave up even on the name Democrat. No Kings indeed! It wasn’t Republicans saying this, it was Black Lives Matter, those people you all also hated because they were too loud and they weren’t even that loud!
Mark my words, the next time Democrats shame everyone, it’ll be before another cancelled primary, not after. They’ll be upset that you’re mad about the cancelled primary. “Do you want (some asshole) to win???”. It’ll be soon, too. your Democratic representatives do not believe in democracy, they did believe in a certain process and we finally lost that too. We have nothing left but respectability aesthetic.
I hope the DSA crushes you all and takes your damn toothbrush too. I hope they double in size, then again, then again, And i hope every single one of you goes back to brunch satisfied that you were definitely in the right whenever it was a dichotomy. I hope it’s fucking delicious and you never have to think about politics again. I hope you get all the things that’ll make your life easier, and I hope you don’t even have to understand what it took to make that happen. I hope my children can be like you. An artist and a chef. The only difference is they won’t be forced to become the sort of people who had to give up so much, everything stripped away from them because they had no choice at so many different levels, no, they will make choices and enjoy it. Fuck you. I hate you all so fucking much and I still want your life to be so wonderful. I hope you retire and you remember how the boomers treated you and how mean they were, and i hope you treat my grown children better than the boomers treated you. I hope my son ends up your neighbour and you never have to meet me or know anything about me because I would fucking HATE you. We will create a society where you do not have to participate in genocide in order to live a normal life, and you won’t even know how, and it’ll be fucking great.
I’m going to waffle house. 1:40 am and haven’t eaten in a while, I’ll be ok
Gen Z should regret their vote just based warfare. Let me explain exactly how this affects them specifically.
Trump promised no more wars then proceeds to abduct the president of Venezuela, attack Iran without giving a reason and then constantly talk about taking over countries. You think the acts of war stop with Iran?
The newly renamed Department of War has a finite amount of service people available for wars. Gen Z you are first in line to be drafted when more people are needed.
Your personal legacy will be struggling financially in a s@&t economy until you are required to put your life on the line for a government who sees you as a disposable resource for a war that could have been entirely avoided. That’s just my personal fear though. Maybe they aren’t worried about that.
A: “Don’t touch that - fire has a long history of hot.”
B: “Ow, fire hot!”
A: “You fuckin moron, I just told you it’s hot!”
…
A: “Hey, remember fire? Its back, still hot. Don’t touch it this time.”
B: “HELP! IT BURNS!!!”
A: develops drinking problem
That is so spot on. And thank you for the laughs today :)
Don’t cry, Zoomers. At least you don’t have to live under the socialist tyranny of health care, time off from work, and fully funded public services.
socialist tyranny of health care
Lot of Gen Z is under 26, which means they can be under their parents healthcare. Have a coworker that’s in that and until my job he didn’t realize healthcare costs for insurance that comes out of paychecks. Like I told him, save up while he can be under his parents insurance.
But anyone older than, at this moment, being born after 10/18/2000 is now falling into the insurance pile.
Sucks… but this is the choice the country made.
And I’ll express a middle finger at them, they were warned.
But he hurt everyone including me instead of just the ones I voted to make sure he would!
It’s not about the kids tho…
The same decline appears outside the United States. Horvath told senators that across roughly 80 countries, academic performance drops after digital technology becomes widely embedded in classrooms. The timing alone raises serious questions about how learning environments affect cognitive development.
It’s about how instead of making them think, we taught them to just fucking Google shit and believe what it says.
“Oregon Trail generation” who grew up using computers but still having to learn legacy methods was the sweet spot, and there’s absolutely nothing stopping us from returning to that.
Absolutely none of us use the Dewey Decimal system, but having to go to libraries and physically walk around pulling cards and finding books built critical thinking.
Typing in “Harry Potter” on a computer and getting a PDF doesn’t build any skills.
The human brains biggest strength is offloading and being lazy. If the system thinks it doesn’t need skills because they can be offloaded, it just won’t learn them. Then at 22-23 when it’s harder to learn those skills, gen z is finding out they actually need them.
They can be helped, but what’s more important is making sure all those little kids right now start getting real educations again.
They can be helped, but what’s more important is making sure all those little kids right now start getting real educations again.
yea, that’s the problem. dumb parents, not only raising their own kids to be dumb, but also voting to raise everyone’s kids to be dumb
No.
This may shock you but dumb people have become parents thru all of human history.
We corrected that as a society by creating an education system, shockingly recently in America. I have an uncle who “went to school” in a one room schoolhouse with an outhouse. There was one other student withing 4 years of his age. He’s not dumb, but he’s always been uneducated. A real education and he could have done anything he wanted.
We fixed it as a society and then stopped caring about education as society because for some reason people thought IQ would just magically always increase naturally, and prior gains weren’t just getting everyone on the same level of education.
Stop acting like a conservative and pretending the next generation is only the responsibility of their parents.
The next generation of society is everyone’s problem, so it’s society’s job to educate them.
How utterly ignorant of you, on what schooling is, and education is not.
yea. “society.” which i guess is distinct from the parents that make up society?
yea, everyone wants to be able to tell everyone else how to raise their kids, but unfortunately that’s not how the world works. if some kid comes home and says the history teacher told them the civil war was about ending slavery, and the parents say that’s all lies, it was about the north victimizing the south, then do you honestly think that kid is going to listen to the teacher (society) over their parents?
good job putting me in my place though
I’m just shocked to see people agree with MAGA on the topic of education but claim to not be MAGA…
Like, can you at least say that you think public education should be a thing tho?
yes, public education should be a thing, is important, etc.
but despite all this public education, if parents are negating it at every turn, then what that means is that dumb kids come from dumb parents. yes, dumb kids come from smart parents too, thanks to society telling them they need to be on instagram 20 hours a day.
you can call me maga if that makes you feel like you’ve hurt my feelings, but i assure you, i don’t care what you think. parents have a bigger role in raising kids than society ever has, and ever will. i’m not claiming whether that’s good or bad either way, just that it’s how it is. we do absolutely need high quality public education rooted in facts and science.
but who is sabotaging this? dumb parents
wandering around lemmy pretty much proves this.
i work at a community college which includes the county’s “early college” which is pretty much 9th-12th grade high school age kids who qualified to take AA/AS courses for higher ed credit at the same time as their high school curriculum. what i see is pretty much it’s not the kids that are the problem. for the most part, dumb kids are the result of dumb parents, which there are a lot of in my redneck mountain town. and, surprise, dumb parents have a lot more kids than smart parents.
yea, gen z may be dumb, but it’s not gen z that made them that way
edit: i want to add, there’s nothing inherently wrong with a lack of intelligence. some of the best people i’ve ever known are not intellectuals. it’s character that makes people worthwhile. empathy. how you treat people who can’t do anything for you. if you’re accepting of people regardless of whether they hold the same beliefs, values, religion, have the same skin color, and everything else, then i would choose to be around you instead of the dickhead who’s the smartest person in the room. fuck that guy
it’s telling that these fucking dickheads are trying, desperately, to paint empathy as some kind of flaw or weakness. empathy is how the human species survived past the stone age
FYI the “Early college” thing is called dual enrollment.
yea, there’s dual enrollment where the local high school kids take some classes, but there’s also early college whose campus is on our campus. they are separate; not the same thing.
thanks though
lol oh well. These snot noses have decades to live with the vote they made.
Gen Z will at least change their votes, hopefully.
Nope, they wont
Gen Z won’t vote.
The genZers that I know are pissed and have told me that are going in groups to vote. May the rightly angry youth save us all.
Anecdotal, but I hope you are right.
That comment was, indeed, anecdotal so what was you comment? Just talking out your ass.
Someone told me the moon was made of cheese. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Wallace & Grommit went there and filmed it all, it is indeed made of cheese. Now GenZ voting differently…
The youth won’t vote for the lesser evil, or foe things to stay the same instead of getting worse…
But they absolutely vote for improvement.
Them not voting for Obama the second time, Hillary, Biden, or Kamala doesn’t mean they won’t vote.
Stop acting like the fucking candidate isn’t important, it’s lit the most important thing about an election
In 2028 a neoliberal won’t get shoved down our throats again, the most recent example of how that works out is 08 Obama. Regardless of how he was in office, the 08 election everyone believed he was going to bring good change.
Like, it’s basic fucking psychology/sociology…
25 and under want change, they’re wired for it, it’s the entire reason change happens. All the way back to “why don’t we just throw the pointy stick?”
Who would have thought voting in a pedo con man could make things worse. The majority of the American voters are repulsive.
The majority of the American voters are repulsive.
The majority of American voters didn’t vote for trump…
That would mean he got over 50%
The majority of Usian voters either voted for him or didn’t vote at all; meaning they were ok with pedohitler if he was elected.
Yeah. Turns out shit get worse when nobody wants to apply critical thinking skills. Weird
