yea vote but don’t imagine that beat fascism. serbia and the rest of the world has a lot to achieve that the system fully changes
I would like to remind you the students got sound weapon’d, and there was an undertone of potential violence.
Also, our election system still was working, so not riggable.
Finally, we are aknowledged for our contribution to the world.
Now back to dennying warcrimes, and talking about how we actually built the piramids.
Oh yea and also, I voted them in, so if they suck, I’m doing something about it.
it honestly feels like a psyop at this point. in russia there was a particular focus on making people “apolitical”, which is a different direction but still was focused on reducing opposition turnout.
People on twitter be like “you think we need to change the system? That pales in effectiveness to my strategy, helping neoliberalis win elections” and then not win elections
Absolutely! LFG!
Begging you motherfuckers to read Lenin and Rosa Luxembourg if you’re going to try to speak on the critiques of bourgeois dictatorship.
Voting in and of itself is completely pointless. What happened in Serbia happened because of a principled political movement, pursuing the betterment of conditions under a wellorganised structure capable of agitating for clear goals. Under such circumstances voting is a useful tool to build upon momentum and further approach wielding state power.
Saying “voting ended the regime” is like saying “voting killed the Tzar” or “voting instituted the civil Rights Act” or “voting decapitated Louis XVI” or “voting enacted womens suffrage”.
To make it more absurd it is like looking at a holiday feast and then declaring it is there because you put a nice tablecloth on the table.Also
Well said. Now instead of authoritarian neoliberalism they may get progressive neoliberalism for example. Just a different form of suffering. It solved a little.
Authoritarian is a nothing word describing every state and almost every organisation.
Neoliberalism is impossible without the enforcement of the state, thus there is no variant of neoliberalism that is not authoritarian.
Yes. It merely emphasizes that in a progressive vs “authoritarian” the state shifts to more executive power and kills off minority rights and such. Both are authoritarian by nature. Should find a different phrase maybe.
Even if you don’t think voting will fix everything, just remember that it won’t -hurt- anything. Just vote.
Alright, then, we should vote for a socialist party, at least in local elections.
Go for it! Make your voice heard.
People voted for the democrats. The democrats did a genocide.
Voting can’t hurt!
Alright I guess Im gonna vote for Trump since it cant hurt.
edit: why are you downvoting me? I thought voting couldnt hurt
The eternal science of BadEmpanadaism Marxism Leninism Maoism Online-Trollism.
Vote for me instead. Why choose the lesser evil?
Alright, can’t hurt.
I, too, remember when biden winning in 2020 ended trump and fascism.
errrm it didnt end it so it’s ineffective
alr bud
Thankfully we only live four to eight years at a time so I have no idea what you’re talking about. This problem will go away completely if we elect John democrat.
Unjerk: voting for harm reduction and local elections is important but don’t stop there. Join a mutual aid group, attend local meetings if you can and care for your neighbors.
To be fair, it won’t be a full blown dictatorship until he takes a third term by force. Until then it’s just sparkling tyranny.
“Dictatorship” is not just a synonym for any unelected leader. Begging you people to learn what the words you use mean
Sounds like something the “i dont vote” crowd thought up
I dont shower!
When was the last time showering prevented disease?
If somebody tells you not to vote, they’re voting for the other guy.
Sometimes they are just dumb. Yes, that dumb. They exist, they have communities on reddit and they ban you if you dare argue against their logic.
There’s communities here that ban you for arguing to vote too lol. I’d argue that’s far more common in lefty spaces than liberal ones.
Fortunately I haven’t seen those yet, maybe defederated?
Fuck yeah. ✊🏼
Because there are massive groups of people on the internet with vested interests in convincing you not to vote (because it helps their allies win).
And ten times as many bots that are doing the same.
It can work, but not always. cough Russia cough
And I am sure the Pedophile of the United States will find some way to throw the votes not in his favor out of the window.
Brazil is hanging in there as well. By a thread, but it’s still…
This is basically why I’m cynical about voting. People will post stuff like this and ignore the 2+ years of street action that got them there.
AKA. I would be a lot more confident going into these USA midterms if my fellow Americans had been going on rowdy strikes the last two years.
This
And yet it was the voting that worked, not the street action. Strikes, rallies, and everything else like them primarily produce change by convincing people to vote. And for that reason, they are important! Doing those is great, but doing those and not voting and then expecting change is nonsensical.
That’s insane.
No that’s not why strikes work. Strukess work because workers force their employers to give them better rights. Democrats are better on labor compared to Republicans but people don’t only strike around election time.
The street action in Minnesota didn’t force ice out because some dude won an election. They forced ice out due to organized street action.
You are like a child looking at a dinner table, declaring the food is there because you put on the tablecloth
But voting doesn’t counter the street action, it’s not a zero sum game. At the very least people should vote for the right people, even if that’s all they do. And if they wanna do more, like protest, then that’s great because it’s really needed. But in the end I’m of the opinion that you can’t complain about how bad it is and then refuse to vote. If you vote and then your candidate is shit, you have a reason to complain. If you vote and it turns out they meddled with it, then you can complain. And obviously you can also complain if half of the country voted for some douchebag. But people who encourage not voting are actively lowering the chances of the right people to win, even in a system where the vote is rigged. The more people vote for change, the harder it is to cover up
I have one occasion I did not vote and got to complain: I was out of state and my absentee conveniently arrived the day after the election. I ain’t got proof of fuckery but I’m sure it happened
But voting doesn’t counter the street action
it does suck the energy out of street action. every time someone is out door-knocking or phone banking, they’re not organizing non-electoral resistance.
So on voting day you vote, takes like 10 minutes maybe then you’re free to carry on with whatever else. It’s an easy activity that has no downside and you can still do the other things.
Non-electoral resistance usually requires a higher risk tolerance from the individual engaging in it, so not everyone doing door knocking or phone banking would be willing to do what you are thinking anyway.
food-not-bombs, skill-shares, and other community-building is an important facet of resistance, and takes essentially no risk tolerance at all. but every time you grab a clipboard and start collecting signatures, you’re not spending the time building community.
I’ve done both. I don’t think local community building is worthless, it can be potent, but it really depends on what region we are talking and it requires you to stick around to build rapport. There are some places where its just a cultural wasteland of ignorant chuds and rightwing nutcases. And it only has of course a local impact. Its not on par with the importance of national politics.
As someone who essentially grew up lacking roots in any particular place and doesn’t care for much of the people in my local area it also isn’t really something I care to engage with anymore.
Other than the fact that I already work for a small local non-profit, though I’ve been seeking to get out of it as soon as possible as I kind of just don’t believe in it as fully anymore after 2024. Private sector pays a lot better anyway. I’m going to start working for me, not a local community that seems to think I’m some kind of Leftist Autistic LGBT freak.
this wasn’t an indictment of you, personally. i’m indicting the energy-sink that is electoral politics. all that energy, just to lose half the time and have to build a new campaign for a new candidate every 2 or 4 years could be spent building something that actually helps us resist our oppression.
additionally what HalfSalesman@lemmy.world fails to realize is electoral compaigning isnt perfectly safe either, theres recent precedent of a politician putting up campaign signs being sexually assaulted. of political opponents being raided. of voters for whatever opposition party having their name and location information recorded if not openly accessible online for targeting. putting your name on a clipboard is insecure and opens you up to harmful actors, both those who scam you for your time and money and those who hate you because you voted “the other guy”. meanwhile you dont have to put down any name or even have people know who you are for things like FnB, skill shares, mutual aid, etc. and the whole goal of other things like direct action often times is to never even be seen or noticed.
I don’t think they are ignoring it. This is a direct response to the people saying voting is pointless. Sure, the years of street action are important but if people didn’t vote then it would just be noise.
Go Serbia! You crazy kids are showing the world how it’s done. Thanks!
